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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by Harvey White

On 13 Jan 2016 07:39:28 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
> could any member in this forum to design portable dc/dc power supply with +/- 6v +/-12v voltage?

Your easiest path would be to find pre-built modules that
supply the required voltage and current.

Your next easiest path would be to check out application notes
and designer software. TI's web-bench software is rather good at
this, but you'll need to be able to design PC boards and have them
made.

I'd recommend modules.

Oh, and it would be very helpful when you ask if anyone can
design a power supply to also tell us how much current is needed for
each output. You also don't specify what the main power source is:
battery? Wall charger? Car voltage? line voltage?

Harvey

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by Brad Thompson

On 1/13/2016 10:39 AM, john_chortomaris@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> could any member in this forum to design portable dc/dc power
> supply with +/- 6v +/-12v voltage?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Posted by: john_chortomaris@...
Hello, John--

You might want to expand your description of the power supply's
requirements. For instance...

--Required output current for both outputs, including cross-output
regulation.
--Output voltage noise and startup transient specifications. (Linear or
switched-mode supplies produce different amounts of noise and ripple.)
--Are there any startup consideration (i.e., does it matter if the
12-volt output reaches full voltage before the 6-volt output does?).
--Are the common connections for the power outputs tied together?
--Are there any EMI requirements? (I.E., radiated electromagnetic
interference)

Now for the input side:

--Input voltage variation range (i.e., what's the power source, and how
are its voltage and current delivery capabilities)?
--What back-fed noise does the power supply deliver, and how would this
affect other devices connected to the power source?

Packaging:

--What environment will the power supply encounter? (i.e., extremes of
temperature, humidity, dust, shock and vibration)
--How much space is available for the power supply?
--How does the power supply dissipate heat produced in normal operation?
How does the power supply receive cooling (or heating)?
--How does the power supply attach to whatever it's powering?

There are other considerations, but those I've outlined above are a
pretty good starting point. That said,
you may wind up with a commercial +/-15-volt module and four
fixed-output linear regulator ICs to produce
the lower-voltage outputs.

73--

Brad AA1IP

Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by john_chortomaris@...

If I had known I could made!!!

I'd like to made a simple psu. only I know is that, must be a linear.

which of electronic module haves same characteristics with power supply which need a nim bin module? only must be linear psu?
   May power supply of LCD screens? or scaners, printers?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by Stefan Trethan

The NIM standard requires relatively high precision and low noise which you will not find in ordinary consumer power supplies.

The question is if you really need to meet full spec to run your particular module? Probably not. Especially if you do not need full current (5A on 6V, 2A on 12V) it will make your life easier. What about the 24V rails, are you sure you don't need them?

Perhaps it would be best if you told us more about your module?

If you just need to power the one, would it not be easier to buy a used NIM crate? 
It should only be around $100 and I sure wouldn't design you a power supply for that sort of money.

ST



On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:57 PM, john_chortomaris@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


If I had known I could made!!!

I'd like to made a simple psu. only I know is that, must be a linear.

which of electronic module haves same characteristics with power supply which need a nim bin module? only must be linear psu?
   May power supply of LCD screens? or scaners, printers?


Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by john_chortomaris@...

Dear Stefan,

  I bought the follow modules

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nim-Bin-Nimbin-Plug-In-Canberra-1718-X-Ray-Amp-No-Side-Panels-/261299720935?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123&nma=true&si=AFapkaUs4JbbkbVNMMvG1yd4rxk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and this

NIM's:Canberra 2071A Dual Counter Timer 2081 Ratemeter Mech-Tronics 512 AMP SCA

but in the other action which it had only Mech-Tronics 512 AMP SCA

So, I'd like to power they. How can I do that? I see need only +/-12v and +/-6v

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by Stefan Trethan

You need to add all the current requirements for the modules.
At least one of them needs 24V visible in the pictures.

ST

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:42 PM, john_chortomaris@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Stefan,

  I bought the follow modules

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nim-Bin-Nimbin-Plug-In-Canberra-1718-X-Ray-Amp-No-Side-Panels-/261299720935?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123&nma=true&si=AFapkaUs4JbbkbVNMMvG1yd4rxk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and this

NIM's:Canberra 2071A Dual Counter Timer 2081 Ratemeter Mech-Tronics 512 AMP SCA
NIM's:Canberra 2071A Dual Counter Timer 2081 Rateme...
US $399.00 Used in Business & Industrial, Electrical & Test Equipment, Test Equipment
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but in the other action which it had only Mech-Tronics 512 AMP SCA

So, I'd like to power they. How can I do that? I see need only +/-12v and +/-6v


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by john_chortomaris@...

No!  tI dscribe the pins and I see that don't has pins on +/-24v . Also, I speak with second module cambera and seller told me this module and the others no need standar +/-24v . I'll take an andware and for the power supply but it can't tell me yet because he is beasy now.

What other must I tell him? may the current which module need? I hope to tell me with power supply.

Stefan, may modems or cell phones have good power supply?

Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by me@...

"Portable"   and linear supplies don't go well together.  Linear PSUs are very inefficient.  You would want a switching supply assuming you are using batteries to be portable.   But until you can define your needs exactly, any advice is just speculation.

Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by john_chortomaris@...

thanks dear,

  So the best module is switching supply.
Also, portable device like my Dso nano (portable oscilloscope) what kind of power supply have?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by Stefan Trethan

Are you 100% sure about that? 
It is very easy to confuse the sides because of the rear view thing.
Note that pin 34 (ground) should be used, and pin 1 not used, this is an easy way to find the right side.

Also many NIM power supplies do not even provide the 6V, so it is unlikely for a module to need that.

You can see the pinout here:

By the way this is the website of Syd Levine, who has been a wonderful contributor on these lists in the past and would help you for sure if he was still around. I have often referred to his website since he passed away, Syd still keeps on giving.

ST


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:29 PM, john_chortomaris@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


No!  tI dscribe the pins and I see that don't has pins on +/-24v . Also, I speak with second module cambera and seller told me this module and the others no need standar +/-24v . I'll take an andware and for the power supply but it can't tell me yet because he is beasy now.

What other must I tell him? may the current which module need? I hope to tell me with power supply.

Stefan, may modems or cell phones have good power supply?


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by Stefan Trethan

Yea but even using your method you are mistaken I think.

Sure you could use the MC34063, but it may be hard to meet the ripple spec. with a switching regulator. Have you ever made a DC/DC converter like that before?
Most likely the modules will work adequately even with higher ripple/noise than originally specified.

You really have to know the overall current comsumption of all the modules.
If it is less than 100mA like the 512 that is most easily done with linear regulators like 7812/7912. Most likely you can get away with more noise on the 24V supplies and I would just feed that directly from a switchmode supply and make linear regulated 12V from those rails. Wastes a bit of power, don't know if that is a problem for you, but you would get clean 12V rails.

Just how portable does this have to be, and do you have mains power for the source or some battery or something?

ST

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:17 PM, john_chortomaris@yahoo.com [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I'm from Greece.

   the better pethode is to find the side with "Guide " female and male screw.
Also the seller of one module declear that power supply need +/-6v....

if I made voltage with IC   MC34063?


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: power supply circuit for nim bin module

2016-01-13 by john_chortomaris@...

Yes dear,

   I made -9v with MC34063 I can't test it with my dso nano mini oscillo...
I have 12 lead acid battery and I'll buy other one becase LM or other components have drop voltage. Also, I can't put 12v or 6v on pins of two modules because may damange...is this correct?