Homebrew_PCBs

I read this the other day:

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/

My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.

I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.

Wow!

Many of us have tried using the backing from vinyl and sticker sheets. And I've made some PCBs using the vinyl cut to the pattern. But I don't think anyone tried Laser toner transfer using the vinyl itself!

I"m anxious to try this now. I have a few rolls of vinyl hear, maybe I'll run them through my laminator first at "foil" setting to test, as that is hot enough to melt toner. I don't want to ruin my Laser printer.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@...> wrote:
>
> I read this the other day:
>
> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
>
> My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
>
> I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
>

Any sense if the vinyl sheet attached to the paper is reuseable?



From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of AlienRelics
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:37 PM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as
toner transfer medium





Wow!

Many of us have tried using the backing from vinyl and sticker sheets. And
I've made some PCBs using the vinyl cut to the pattern. But I don't think
anyone tried Laser toner transfer using the vinyl itself!

I"m anxious to try this now. I have a few rolls of vinyl hear, maybe I'll
run them through my laminator first at "foil" setting to test, as that is
hot enough to melt toner. I don't want to ruin my Laser printer.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "brucethehoon" <amorrow@...>
wrote:

>
> I read this the other day:
>
>

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl
-film-laser-printer/

>
> My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am

getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the
comments.

>
> I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is

interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl
purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl
laying about, and can likely find some.

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, brucethehoon <amorrow@...> wrote:

> I read this the other day:
>
> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
>
> My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.

That's amazing. I've tried toner transfer, and gave up. Couldn't get
reliable transfer.

Mitch.

I estimate that as 1 cent worth of vinyl, so I don't think I'd worry about it.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Volk" <amvweb@...> wrote:
>
> Any sense if the vinyl sheet attached to the paper is reuseable?
>
>

I have read your posts and have one question. I own a Hewlett  Packard Lasarjet 4 printer. It is 300dpi or 600dpi.
Is this method good at 600dpi or what is best method for my type of printer. I am looking at positive developement
method or pulsar toner method. I have never heard of this vinyl method. Does anyone know the answer for a new person to investigate. Best Kevin


________________________________
From: Mitch Davis <mjd@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium


 

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, brucethehoon <amorrow@...> wrote:
> I read this the other day:
>
> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
>
> My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.

That's amazing. I've tried toner transfer, and gave up. Couldn't get
reliable transfer.

Mitch.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.

thanks in advance,
bob in AZ

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@...> wrote:
>
> I read this the other day:
>
> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
>
> My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
>
> I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
>

> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try

this out

> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it

if i can't

> get the desired results.

Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will have
it.

You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
mentioned on here a few times.

Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of dollars.

Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
different types so I might try that.

There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser. Years
ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as far
as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.

Tony

good idea - will check them out. anybody tried out the ones specifically for the cricut to see if the fuser melts it?

bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@...> wrote:
>
> > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try
> this out
> > but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it
> if i can't
> > get the desired results.
>
>
> Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will have
> it.
>
> You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> mentioned on here a few times.
>
> Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of dollars.
>
> Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> different types so I might try that.
>
> There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser. Years
> ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as far
> as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
>
> Tony
>

I believe that the vinyl I tested with is of the same type that the cricut uses, and I used the highest fuser setting and there was no melting of the vinyl, nor any indication that the vinyl had been damaged or partially melted in any way.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@...> wrote:
>
> good idea - will check them out. anybody tried out the ones specifically for the cricut to see if the fuser melts it?
>
> bob
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@> wrote:
> >
> > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try
> > this out
> > > but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it
> > if i can't
> > > get the desired results.
> >
> >
> > Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will have
> > it.
> >
> > You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> > mentioned on here a few times.
> >
> > Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of dollars.
> >
> > Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> > different types so I might try that.
> >
> > There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser. Years
> > ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as far
> > as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
> >
> > Tony
> >
>

Excellent, thanks :)

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@...> wrote:
>
> I believe that the vinyl I tested with is of the same type that the cricut uses, and I used the highest fuser setting and there was no melting of the vinyl, nor any indication that the vinyl had been damaged or partially melted in any way.
>
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> >
> > good idea - will check them out. anybody tried out the ones specifically for the cricut to see if the fuser melts it?
> >
> > bob
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try
> > > this out
> > > > but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it
> > > if i can't
> > > > get the desired results.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will have
> > > it.
> > >
> > > You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> > > mentioned on here a few times.
> > >
> > > Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of dollars.
> > >
> > > Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> > > different types so I might try that.
> > >
> > > There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser. Years
> > > ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as far
> > > as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> >
>

How were the results?



Jeff

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From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of brucethehoon
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 PM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as
toner transfer medium





I believe that the vinyl I tested with is of the same type that the cricut
uses, and I used the highest fuser setting and there was no melting of the
vinyl, nor any indication that the vinyl had been damaged or partially
melted in any way.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "dubob4432" <dubob4432@...>
wrote:

>
> good idea - will check them out. anybody tried out the ones specifically

for the cricut to see if the fuser melts it?

>
> bob
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@>
wrote:

> >
> > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to

try

> > this out
> > > but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use

for it

> > if i can't
> > > get the desired results.
> >
> >
> > Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will

have

> > it.
> >
> > You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> > mentioned on here a few times.
> >
> > Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of

dollars.

> >
> > Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> > different types so I might try that.
> >
> > There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser.

Years

> > ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as

far

> > as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
> >
> > Tony
> >
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:39:29 +1100, you wrote:

>> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try
>this out
>> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it
>if i can't
>> get the desired results.
>
>
>Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will have
>it.
>
>You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
>mentioned on here a few times.
>
>Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of dollars.
>
>Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
>different types so I might try that.
>
>There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser. Years
>ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as far
>as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
>
>Tony
>
>
>

It would probably be a real good idea to test it first with a clothes iron
set to linen or cotton first. Much easier to clean up than your fuser.

If you are paranoid put a sheet of thin aluminum foil between the iron and vinyl.
If something melts it will just toss the foil and vinyl.

Keith Bowers WB4LSJ- Thomasville, NC

fwiw i found the same type of vinyl that was in the video for very cheap for a 12x24" piece - less than $5 shipped.

already have a laminator so this should be interesting :)

bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, kabowers@... wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:39:29 +1100, you wrote:
>
> >> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try
> >this out
> >> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it
> >if i can't
> >> get the desired results.
> >
> >
> >Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will have
> >it.
> >
> >You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> >mentioned on here a few times.
> >
> >Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of dollars.
> >
> >Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> >different types so I might try that.
> >
> >There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser. Years
> >ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as far
> >as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
> >
> It would probably be a real good idea to test it first with a clothes iron
> set to linen or cotton first. Much easier to clean up than your fuser.
>
> If you are paranoid put a sheet of thin aluminum foil between the iron and vinyl.
> If something melts it will just toss the foil and vinyl.
>
> Keith Bowers WB4LSJ- Thomasville, NC
>

Where did you find it? Did you place an order?



Jeff



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From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dubob4432
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:20 PM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as
toner transfer medium





fwiw i found the same type of vinyl that was in the video for very cheap for
a 12x24" piece - less than $5 shipped.

already have a laminator so this should be interesting :)

bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , kabowers@... wrote:

>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:39:29 +1100, you wrote:
>
> >> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to

try

> >this out
> >> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for

it

> >if i can't
> >> get the desired results.
> >
> >
> >Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will

have

> >it.
> >
> >You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> >mentioned on here a few times.
> >
> >Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of

dollars.

> >
> >Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> >different types so I might try that.
> >
> >There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser.

Years

> >ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as

far

> >as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
> >
> It would probably be a real good idea to test it first with a clothes iron
> set to linen or cotton first. Much easier to clean up than your fuser.
>
> If you are paranoid put a sheet of thin aluminum foil between the iron and

vinyl.

> If something melts it will just toss the foil and vinyl.
>
> Keith Bowers WB4LSJ- Thomasville, NC
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

here you go -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Roll-12x24-adhesive-backed-vinyl-Sign-Craft-Quality-Oracal651-High-Gloss-/261025417412?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc653c8c4

placed and order just a bit earlier today

bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Heiss" <jeff.heiss@...> wrote:
>
> Where did you find it? Did you place an order?
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of dubob4432
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:20 PM
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as
> toner transfer medium
>
>
>
>
>
> fwiw i found the same type of vinyl that was in the video for very cheap for
> a 12x24" piece - less than $5 shipped.
>
> already have a laminator so this should be interesting :)
>
> bob
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , kabowers@ wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:39:29 +1100, you wrote:
> >
> > >> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to
> try
> > >this out
> > >> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for
> it
> > >if i can't
> > >> get the desired results.
> > >
> > >
> > >Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will
> have
> > >it.
> > >
> > >You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
> > >mentioned on here a few times.
> > >
> > >Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of
> dollars.
> > >
> > >Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
> > >different types so I might try that.
> > >
> > >There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser.
> Years
> > >ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as
> far
> > >as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > It would probably be a real good idea to test it first with a clothes iron
> > set to linen or cotton first. Much easier to clean up than your fuser.
> >
> > If you are paranoid put a sheet of thin aluminum foil between the iron and
> vinyl.
> > If something melts it will just toss the foil and vinyl.
> >
> > Keith Bowers WB4LSJ- Thomasville, NC
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

So ....

What is a good printer for this vinyl stuff?

1200x1200 ... more..?

I missed a konica minolta 1350w locally for 30$...


To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
From: dubob4432@...
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:01:42 +0000
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium


























here you go -



http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Roll-12x24-adhesive-backed-vinyl-Sign-Craft-Quality-Oracal651-High-Gloss-/261025417412?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc653c8c4



placed and order just a bit earlier today



bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Heiss" <jeff.heiss@...> wrote:

>

> Where did you find it? Did you place an order?

>

>

>

> Jeff

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of dubob4432

> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:20 PM

> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as

> toner transfer medium

>

>

>

>

>

> fwiw i found the same type of vinyl that was in the video for very cheap for

> a 12x24" piece - less than $5 shipped.

>

> already have a laminator so this should be interesting :)

>

> bob

>

> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , kabowers@ wrote:

> >

> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:39:29 +1100, you wrote:

> >

> > >> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to

> try

> > >this out

> > >> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for

> it

> > >if i can't

> > >> get the desired results.

> > >

> > >

> > >Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will

> have

> > >it.

> > >

> > >You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been

> > >mentioned on here a few times.

> > >

> > >Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of

> dollars.

> > >

> > >Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few

> > >different types so I might try that.

> > >

> > >There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser.

> Years

> > >ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as

> far

> > >as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.

> > >

> > >Tony

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > It would probably be a real good idea to test it first with a clothes iron

> > set to linen or cotton first. Much easier to clean up than your fuser.

> >

> > If you are paranoid put a sheet of thin aluminum foil between the iron and

> vinyl.

> > If something melts it will just toss the foil and vinyl.

> >

> > Keith Bowers WB4LSJ- Thomasville, NC

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>


























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How about Dell 1700n?

Anyone?

> To: homebrew_pcbs@yahoogroups.com
> From: Patriot121@...
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:16:27 -0700
> Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium
>
> So ....
>
> What is a good printer for this vinyl stuff?
>
> 1200x1200 ... more..?
>
> I missed a konica minolta 1350w locally for 30$...
>
>
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> From: dubob4432@...
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:01:42 +0000
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> here you go -
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Roll-12x24-adhesive-backed-vinyl-Sign-Craft-Quality-Oracal651-High-Gloss-/261025417412?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc653c8c4
>
>
>
> placed and order just a bit earlier today
>
>
>
> bob
>
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Heiss" <jeff.heiss@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Where did you find it? Did you place an order?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Jeff
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > _____
>
> >
>
> > From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
>
> > On Behalf Of dubob4432
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:20 PM
>
> > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as
>
> > toner transfer medium
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > fwiw i found the same type of vinyl that was in the video for very cheap for
>
> > a 12x24" piece - less than $5 shipped.
>
> >
>
> > already have a laminator so this should be interesting :)
>
> >
>
> > bob
>
> >
>
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>
> > <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , kabowers@ wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:39:29 +1100, you wrote:
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> > >
>
> > > >> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to
>
> > try
>
> > > >this out
>
> > > >> but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for
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> > it
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> > > >if i can't
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> > > >> get the desired results.
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> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >Hobby shops - or rather craft shops that sell scrapbooking stuff will
>
> > have
>
> > > >it.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >You can get in sizes like that for the CriCut machines that have been
>
> > > >mentioned on here a few times.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >Some eBay sellers will sell you a page-size sheet for a couple of
>
> > dollars.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >Interesting, I guess any high-gloss vinyl would work. I've got a few
>
> > > >different types so I might try that.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >There is a small possibility that the vinyl will melt in your fuser.
>
> > Years
>
> > > >ago a sales rep showed me some new vinyl stock (for labels), it got as
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> > far
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> > > >as the fuser. Took me ages to clean it out.
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> > > >Tony
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> > > >
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> > > It would probably be a real good idea to test it first with a clothes iron
>
> > > set to linen or cotton first. Much easier to clean up than your fuser.
>
> > >
>
> > > If you are paranoid put a sheet of thin aluminum foil between the iron and
>
> > vinyl.
>
> > > If something melts it will just toss the foil and vinyl.
>
> > >
>
> > > Keith Bowers WB4LSJ- Thomasville, NC
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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

> That's amazing. I've tried toner transfer, and gave up. Couldn't get
> reliable transfer.
>
> Mitch.
>

Hello Mitch,

I thought that I had convinced you to go photoresist ages ago ... lol.

How's China?

Cheers,

Ross

I am new to this as well as all other types of developement and tried your method with beautiful results.
Method:
1. Hewlett Packard Laserjet 4 600dpi. resolution 3
2. Regular house hold iron set on highest setting.
I  did three boards of .024, .032 & .05 inch size traces and all thee boards came out perfect and the same type of iron on did not with photography paper or pulsar pro paper. No problems going thru and comming out of lasarjet printer either. I just do not know if I really need 1200dpi type printer for the future. Thanks for advise and Help. Best Kevin



________________________________
From: ross_valusoft <valusoft@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 8:31 AM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium


 

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

> That's amazing. I've tried toner transfer, and gave up. Couldn't get
> reliable transfer.
>
> Mitch.
>

Hello Mitch,

I thought that I had convinced you to go photoresist ages ago ... lol.

How's China?

Cheers,

Ross




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On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, ross_valusoft <valusoft@...> wrote:

>
> How's China?

Oh the irony. When you sent that to me, all of three days ago, I was
sitting at home in Box Hill. Now I'm back in China. I've just spent
two months back home, but unfortunately I ran out of time and just
didn't have enough time to visit anyone. Which means I missed out on
visiting you. Sorry!

Regarding Kartman, I only just had time to read his post, so I missed
meeting up with him. But I just replied in 'Freaks.

>> That's amazing. I've tried toner transfer, and gave up. Couldn't get
>> reliable transfer.
>
> I thought that I had convinced you to go photoresist ages ago ... lol.

Indeed you did! After your excellent demonstration at CCHS, I gave it
a go myself, and wrote it up:

http://capnstech.blogspot.com/2011/05/playpause-making-pcbs-at-home.html

I've shown that to many people. I even gave you credit at the end!

Speaking of convincing people, it seems I've been unsuccessful in
convincing you to get your PCBs through me. Sad face! I have many
Australian customers who are enjoying the price and service.

BTW here are pics from a customer of the solder paste stencil I just sent him:

http://www.cusf.co.uk/2012/10/joey-r2-stencils/

Ain't that a shiny thing?

And some more writeups from other customers using my boards:

http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=372

http://hairy.geek.nz/2012/06/more-new-pcbs/

Anyway, should you change your mind, here's everything you need to know:

http://tinyurl.com/hvpcbfaq

I'll be back in mid-Jan, I'm up for meeting then!

Mitch.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, ross_valusoft <valusoft@...> wrote:
>>
>> How's China?
>
> Oh the irony. When you sent that to me, all of three days ago, I was
> sitting at home in Box Hill. Now I'm back in China. I've just spent

I really hate it when mailing lists are set to reply to all when you hit reply:

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Really violates the "Principle of Least Surprise" :-(

Sorry about that folks.

Mitch.

The email came from the list, so the normal [mine, anyway] expectation would be for the reply to go to the list. Perhaps your email program has an issue. To reply to the original poster, cut and paste the OP's email address and delete the list address; no surprise. On some lists, Reply All will include the OP in the CC: line, but that is rare.

Donald.
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitch Davis" <mjd@...>
> To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:42:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Mitch Davis <mjd@...>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, ross_valusoft
> > <valusoft@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> How's China?
> >
> > Oh the irony. When you sent that to me, all of three days ago, I was
> > sitting at home in Box Hill. Now I'm back in China. I've just spent
>
> I really hate it when mailing lists are set to reply to all when you
> hit reply:
>
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> Really violates the "Principle of Least Surprise" :-(
>
> Sorry about that folks.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, ross_valusoft <valusoft@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> How's China?
> >
> > Oh the irony. When you sent that to me, all of three days ago, I was
> > sitting at home in Box Hill. Now I'm back in China. I've just spent
>
> I really hate it when mailing lists are set to reply to all when you hit reply:
>
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> Really violates the "Principle of Least Surprise" :-(
>
> Sorry about that folks.
>
> Mitch.
>

Really? I hate it when people respond with solutions privately, then all anyone sees on the list is people with problems and no solutions. I think it is worth the occassional accidental personal reply.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

I agree ...

On another note ... my laser printer arrived today ( so says ups) and will try the vinyl on paper transfer soon .... my wife has plenty of vinyl for her silhouette...

Mike KC7NOA

To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
From: alienrelics@...
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:58:10 +0000
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Fantastic results with cheap sign vinyl as toner transfer medium

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

>

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

> > On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, ross_valusoft <valusoft@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> How's China?

> >

> > Oh the irony. When you sent that to me, all of three days ago, I was

> > sitting at home in Box Hill. Now I'm back in China. I've just spent

>

> I really hate it when mailing lists are set to reply to all when you hit reply:

>

> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

>

> Really violates the "Principle of Least Surprise" :-(

>

> Sorry about that folks.

>

> Mitch.

>



Really? I hate it when people respond with solutions privately, then all anyone sees on the list is people with problems and no solutions. I think it is worth the occassional accidental personal reply.



Steve Greenfield AE7HD


























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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:

>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, ross_valusoft <valusoft@...> wrote:
> >
> > How's China?
>
> Oh the irony. When you sent that to me, all of three days ago, I was
> sitting at home in Box Hill. Now I'm back in China. I've just spent
> two months back home, but unfortunately I ran out of time and just
> didn't have enough time to visit anyone. Which means I missed out on
> visiting you. Sorry!
>
>
> Speaking of convincing people, it seems I've been unsuccessful in
> convincing you to get your PCBs through me. Sad face!

Mitch,

Would be happy to try yours ... but have been doing software-only projects lately.

Will take it to email.

Cheers,

Ross

tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
went through laminator 10x or so.
maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.

bob

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@...> wrote:
>
> anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.
>
> thanks in advance,
> bob in AZ
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@> wrote:
> >
> > I read this the other day:
> >
> > http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
> >
> > My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
> >
> > I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
> >
>

I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@...> wrote:
>
> tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
> went through laminator 10x or so.
> maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.
>
> bob
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> >
> > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> > bob in AZ
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I read this the other day:
> > >
> > > http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
> > >
> > > My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
> > >
> > > I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
> > >
> >
>

On 27 Oct 2012, at 06:54, tda7000 wrote:

>
>
> I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?
>

"correct" temperature?

> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@...> wrote:
>>
>> tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
>> went through laminator 10x or so.
>> maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.
>>
>> bob

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Peter Harrison
<peter.harrison@...> wrote:

> On 27 Oct 2012, at 06:54, tda7000 wrote:
>
>> I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?
>>
>
> "correct" temperature?

I don't know how useful this is outside of Australia, but a friend of
mine write a very nice page on modding laminators to run hotter:

http://ultrakeet.com.au/write-ups/superFuserV2

Mitch.

laminator is stock...

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> >
> > tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
> > went through laminator 10x or so.
> > maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> > >
> > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > > bob in AZ
> > >
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I read this the other day:
> > > >
> > > > http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
> > > >
> > > > My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
> > > >
> > > > I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

looks like i do not have the ideal unit :(

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> >
> > tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
> > went through laminator 10x or so.
> > maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> > >
> > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > > bob in AZ
> > >
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I read this the other day:
> > > >
> > > > http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
> > > >
> > > > My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
> > > >
> > > > I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

If you have not modified it I expect it has enough power to heat through the thin magazine paper but not enough to work well with the vinyl.

Since it does work with paper it's probably almost there, if you increased the temperature a bit it would probably work fine.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@...> wrote:
>
> looks like i do not have the ideal unit :(
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> > >
> > > tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
> > > went through laminator 10x or so.
> > > maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.
> > >
> > > bob
> > >
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > bob in AZ
> > > >
> > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I read this the other day:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
> > > > >
> > > > > My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

On this topic of discussion I have a question before I buy a laminator GPC 220 Laminator. What is the best way to measure the temperature of the board after it comes thru the rollers as I will be doing only 8mm
to 9mm thickness size boards.
1. DMM with temperature
2. IR temperature meter
I do iron on with vinyl & cheep clothes iron to success but wish to graduate to laminator in the near future but have no experience in measureing temperatures as a home hobbiest only. Does any one know the facts and answer to this simple question. Thanks Kevin

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@...> wrote:
>
> If you have not modified it I expect it has enough power to heat through the thin magazine paper but not enough to work well with the vinyl.
>
> Since it does work with paper it's probably almost there, if you increased the temperature a bit it would probably work fine.
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> >
> > looks like i do not have the ideal unit :(
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I assume you have the laminator modified to run at the correct temperature?
> > >
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > tried it tonight and i get much better results w/ glossy magazine pages...weird. using canon mf4150 and this laminator - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JXJ5HQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
> > > > went through laminator 10x or so.
> > > > maybe i did not let it release long enough in the water? used the same type of vinyl as the dangerous prototypes used.
> > > >
> > > > bob
> > > >
> > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "dubob4432" <dubob4432@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > anybody want to sell a foot or 2 by 8"+ of vinyl cheap? would like to try this out but since i don't have a vinyl cutter, don't have any vinyl nor use for it if i can't get the desired results.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks in advance,
> > > > > bob in AZ
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "brucethehoon" <amorrow@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read this the other day:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/09/29/pcb-manufacture-using-oracal-vinyl-film-laser-printer/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My results were SIGNIFICANTLY better than with the Pulsar paper, and I am getting results identical to my best photo transfers. I am Andrew in the comments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I link, in the comments, to the specific vinyl I used, but if there is interest in this group, I will re-try the same experiments with vinyl purchased from Amazon that features Prime shipping. I have lots of vinyl laying about, and can likely find some.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>