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Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-16 by Syncopator

In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)

Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
simulation once the diagram is drawn.

I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.

Are there free and simple programs available?







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Re: Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-16 by AlienRelics

There is a free version of DipTrace. I found it much easier to learn than EagleCAD.

At one time, if you emailed DipTrace and told them you heard about it from Homebrew_PCBs, they'd send you an upgraded free license that doubles the pads usable in the free version.

http://www.diptrace.com/

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Syncopator" <davidbridgen@...> wrote:
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> In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
> particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)
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> Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
> method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
> simulation once the diagram is drawn.
>
> I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
> them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.
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> Are there free and simple programs available?
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-16 by Paul Mateer

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:23 PM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:

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> There is a free version of DipTrace. I found it much easier to learn than
> EagleCAD.
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> At one time, if you emailed DipTrace and told them you heard about it from
> Homebrew_PCBs, they'd send you an upgraded free license that doubles the
> pads usable in the free version.
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> http://www.diptrace.com/
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> Steve Greenfield AE7HD
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> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Syncopator" <davidbridgen@...>
> wrote:
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> > In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
> > particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)
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> > Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
> > method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
> > simulation once the diagram is drawn.
> >
> > I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
> > them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.
> >
> > Are there free and simple programs available?
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Paul Mateer, AA9GG
Elan Engineering Corp.
www.elanengr.com
NAQCC 3123, SKCC 4628, FPQRP 2003


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Re: Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-17 by designer_craig

I to was looking for a simple PCB tool set about a year ago and ended up with Diptrace. I started with the free version but liked it so much I got the non-profit license for larger boards. I also considered Kicad, Autotrax and the Linux gEDA tools. Not a Linux guy so that put it down to Kicad, Diptrace and Autotrax. I evaluated all three, don't think Kicad had an integrated package of both schemtic and PCB, Autotrax seemed the most technically advanced but I could not work it after a couple days of trying, didn't think it was quite ready for prime time. Then I installed Diptrace and had a small test board finished in less than an hour after watching just one short video. The pacakge seemed very natural and easy to use, had all the feature I needed. It has a fairly large library and making new parts is easy. Does have a few quirks and it takes a bit effort to figure out the libary part creation process as some of the terminology is not explained well in the documentaiton. But once you get it figured out the process is quick and easy. Got a good forum and the developers are responsive to issues.

Craig

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Syncopator" <davidbridgen@...> wrote:
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> In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
> particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)
>
> Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
> method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
> simulation once the diagram is drawn.
>
> I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
> them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.
>
> Are there free and simple programs available?
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Re: Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-17 by designer_craig

I am a dip trace novice but if I can help you out let me know.
While you can design boards directly in the PC layout tool its best if you do a schematic, verify you have pc foot print patterns attached to all the schematic components then transition to the PCB tool tp layout the board.

Craig

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Syncopator" <dmb06851@...> wrote:
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> Thank you Craig,
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> I had already downloaded PCB Artist and now I have also downloaded Diptrace.
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> I shall try them out later.
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> David
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Re: Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-17 by Andrew

I began with KiCad a couple of years ago when I started into this hobby, and have found it very satisfactory. It is open source, free, full featured, multi-platform, with no limitations. The user interface is pretty good -- a bit of learning curve, but that is true of any of the programs. There are some helpful tutorials on-line, and an active Yahoo group. It comes with a good set of libraries, and many more available on-line -- and it is easy to add new parts to make your own libraries.

KiCad uses a three-step process: 1) Design a schematic (which can cover multiple pages as needed); 2) Select the package for each component (i.e., KiCad lets you draw the schematic with a 1K resistor, but then you can choose whether that is in an SMD package, or a 1/4 watt size, or 1/2 watt size, or vertically placed, or so on.) 3) Design the board. You can ask the program to auto-place components and to auto-route, but unless your design is very simple, you will want to do some manual placement and routing.

You can have up to 16 layers; you can output Gerber files or postscript; you can invert, mirror, or scale any layer(s); etc. In short, there is nothing I have ever tried that it cannot do.

Disclaimers: I have no relationship to KiCad other than satisfied user; I am running it on Ubuntu Linux, so cannot talk about how it works on Windows (though I know many people do use it on that platform).

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Syncopator" <davidbridgen@...> wrote:
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> In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
> particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)
>
> Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
> method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
> simulation once the diagram is drawn.
>
> I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
> them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.
>
> Are there free and simple programs available?
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-17 by Charles R. Patton

I like FreePCB (www.freepcb.com). I do boards sporadically (months
apart) so the program is simple enough to pick up again after long
periods of absence. There are NO cripples.
From their blurb on the web site:

* 1 to 16 copper layers
* Board size up to 60 inches by 60 inches
* Uses English or metric units (i.e. mils or mm) for most functions.
* Footprint libraries courtesy of Ivex Design International, PCB
Matrix and the IPC.
* Copper fill areas
* Footprint Wizard and Footprint Editor for creating or modifying
footprints
* Imports and exports PADS-PCB netlists
* Exports extended Gerber files (RS274X) and Excellon drill files
* Design rule checker
* Autosave

Pre-viewing the Gerber files
A) After generating the Gerber files, I check them with the free version
of GC-Prevue.
(http://www.graphicode.com/Download_GC-Prevue_and_Free_Trials). From
this program I laser print (HP4Si) on glossy paper pages from
magazines. (Thanks ever so much to the Homebrew list for this tip. It
works better than any of the many photo glossy paper I ever tried.)
B) I just became aware of another program, ViewMate with "smart DFM"
(http://www.pentalogix.com/) that appears to be just as capable -- but
I haven't tested it through the whole process of printing.
C) There are also other Gerber viewers that I haven't tried
http://www.designspark.com/knowledge/gc-prevue-gerber-viewer
http://www.everythingpcb.com/p17596.htm

Generating the netlist:
A) I generate netlists from a very old copy of ORCAD.
B) I have briefly tested Suigyodo Schematic
(http://www.suigyodo.com/online/e/index.htm) and it seems to work fine
and is capable of generating compatible netlists including footprint
names to be included in the netlist.
C) Another route is to use LTspice from Linear Technology. This one
exports a netlist that requires some minor editing to make it really
useful as LTspice does not have a "package" field so the case sizes to
select the footprint are not included in the netlist.


Additional pluses:
FreePCB is a very capable PCB editor and data save files are ASCII.
This is very handy as I have taken NC files from a client, and imported
them to the board outline with only minor editing to yield a very
complex board with multiple curved edges and holes that have to be
placed exactly. Because FreePCB only does 90 degree arcs in the board
outline, the NC file is made of a lot of small straight line segments
(typically about 10 mills). Works for me.

I have no vested interest in any of the companies mentioned above, other
than appreciating very much the time people have spent developing fine
freeware software packages other than ORCAD that was purchased before I
retired. (And as a side note, FreePCB is much more stable than the
early PCB layout packages ORCAD sold for bunches of money -- so paying
for a commercial product doesn't always guarantee better performance.)

Regards,
Charles R. Patton

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-17 by Stefan Trethan

I think you should look at <www.designspark.com>, completely free quite
capable software, offered by RS Components.

ST



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On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Syncopator <davidbridgen@...> wrote:

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> In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
> particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)
>
> Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
> method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
> simulation once the diagram is drawn.
>
> I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
> them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.
>
> Are there free and simple programs available?
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program

2011-02-18 by Randy S.

How new is this software?
no you tube tutorial videos
Have to be a site member to activate the software?
Whats that about ??
Perhaps wireshark might be needed during the installation of this software
and the activation process .. lol

Randy




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From: Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...>
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Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 2:05:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Suggestions for a simple c.a.d. program


I think you should look at <www.designspark.com>, completely free quite
capable software, offered by RS Components.

ST

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Syncopator <davidbridgen@...> wrote:

>
> In the past I have made many p.c.bs using the rub-on transfer method, in
> particular those which Chartwell used to produce (r.i.p.)
>
> Although it gave me great satisfaction, I now want an easier method; a
> method of diagram capture, auto routing and board pattern. I don't need
> simulation once the diagram is drawn.
>
> I've tried a couple of programs, can't remember which ones, but I found
> them awkward or clumsy to use and I simply ran out of patience.
>
> Are there free and simple programs available?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> ------------------------------------
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> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
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