Homebrew PCBs

Hi,

I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
tracks going between the pins)

Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
developer and etcher?

Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?

And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?

Regards 


Gary

inkjet cannot be used for TT (the cheapest one board process), has to be laser
or photocopier...


--- Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
> resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
> ( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
> best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
> important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
> tracks going between the pins)
> 
> Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
> developer and etcher?
> 
> Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?
> 
> And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?
> 
> Regards 
> 
> 
> Gary


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Hi,

yes i realise, thanks, 

I'm sure that some users, use inkjets to expose, via UV lamp onto
photo resist PCBS?

Regards 


Gary


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert E. Plett"
<cachureos@...> wrote:
>
> inkjet cannot be used for TT (the cheapest one board process), has
to be laser

> or photocopier...
> 
> 
> --- Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
> > resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
> > ( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
> > best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
> > important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
> > tracks going between the pins)
> > 
> > Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
> > developer and etcher?
> > 
> > Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?
> > 
> > And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?
> > 
> > Regards 
> > 
> > 
> > Gary
> 
> 
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Gary" <questuk1@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] newbie..help.. best way to produce DIY, PCB in UK


> Hi,
>
> I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
> resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
> ( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
> best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
> important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
> tracks going between the pins)
>
> Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
> developer and etcher?
>
> Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?

Mega Electronics sells JetStar fim for use in inkjet printers. It's much 
better than OHP transparency material. You need a UV exposure unit, of 
course; I made my own for a few pounds.

Leon

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:56:38 +0200, Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
> resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
> ( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
> best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
> important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
> tracks going between the pins)
> Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
> developer and etcher?
> Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?
> And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?
> Regards
> Gary


You kinda did imply photoprocess in your post, but according to the  
subject line i'll suggest you look around the links section here if you  
are not yet decided on which process to use. Maybe it also holds answers  
for what to get, and where.

ST

Hi Stefan,

I did spend all afternoon looking through your, Files, Photos..links
etc.. and also on google, also i have read on the net that lasers, do
not produce dark enough blacks?

 I did read Leons message about inkjet paper... so i knew it was
possible.  ....but in the end i felt more confused about the best way
to make a PCB.

Just needed some clarification etc.

Regards 


Gary




--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:56:38 +0200, Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
> > resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
> > ( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
> > best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
> > important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
> > tracks going between the pins)
> > Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
> > developer and etcher?
> > Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?
> > And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?
> > Regards
> > Gary
> 
> 
> You kinda did imply photoprocess in your post, but according to the  
> subject line i'll suggest you look around the links section here if
you  
> are not yet decided on which process to use. Maybe it also holds
answers  

> for what to get, and where.
> 
> ST
>

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:49:35 +0200, Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:

> Hi Stefan,
> I did spend all afternoon looking through your, Files, Photos..links
> etc.. and also on google, also i have read on the net that lasers, do
> not produce dark enough blacks?

Indeed, lasers can have problems with the darkness, mine sure did!

You'll need the right films though for the inkjet, and possibly print with  
yellow color (i'm told it is more opaque to UV than black).

Anyway, the people who always complain we do not like the photoprocess  
enough are sure to come out of the woodwork with lots of suggestions ;-)

ST

Hi Stefan,

You have me thinking now, my printer does need replacing soon, any
ideas if this would do for PCB 600dpi.
 http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10283218&pid=45&tid=279

Also i look forward to comments on both modes laser & inkjet, as I'm
undecided still..but lasers do seem much cheaper now.

Regards 


Gary


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trethan"
<stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:49:35 +0200, Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Stefan,
> > I did spend all afternoon looking through your, Files, Photos..links
> > etc.. and also on google, also i have read on the net that lasers, do
> > not produce dark enough blacks?
> 
> Indeed, lasers can have problems with the darkness, mine sure did!
> 
> You'll need the right films though for the inkjet, and possibly
print with  

> yellow color (i'm told it is more opaque to UV than black).
> 
> Anyway, the people who always complain we do not like the photoprocess  
> enough are sure to come out of the woodwork with lots of suggestions ;-)
> 
> ST
>

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Gary" <questuk1@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: newbie..help.. best way to produce DIY, PCB in 
UK


> Hi Stefan,
>
> You have me thinking now, my printer does need replacing soon, any
> ideas if this would do for PCB 600dpi.
> http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10283218&pid=45&tid=279
>
> Also i look forward to comments on both modes laser & inkjet, as I'm
> undecided still..but lasers do seem much cheaper now.

I posted recently about my use of a cheap HP Deskjet 5940 printer for 
producing high-resolution transparencies with JetStar Premium film.

Leon

--- Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:
> You have me thinking now, my printer does need
> replacing soon, any
> ideas if this would do for PCB 600dpi.
>
http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10283218&pid=45&tid=279

If you're looking for a laser printer, to do
toner-transfer PCBS, why not get an old HP LaserJet
from FreeCycle?  They're relatively common, but suffer
from glazing of the rubber paper-handling rollers. 
That's often the reason they're thrown out, but it's
very easily fixed by roughening up the rubber rollers
with cigarette-lighter petrol (not butane!).

I've got an HP LaserJet 4+ that I got from the Bristol
FreeCycle mailing list.  FreeCycle is another Yahoo
group that brings people together to recycle unwanted
stuff, for free!

-- 
John Honniball



		
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hello Leon,

yes i did read your post on the printer

Do you thing the paper would work with other inkjets Or its the
combonation of the two that works?

Do you have any pics of the finished board?

Regards 


Gary


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Leon Heller" <leon.heller@...>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary" <questuk1@...>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:39 PM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: newbie..help.. best way to produce DIY,
PCB in 
> UK
> 
> 
> > Hi Stefan,
> >
> > You have me thinking now, my printer does need replacing soon, any
> > ideas if this would do for PCB 600dpi.
> >
http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10283218&pid=45&tid=279

> >
> > Also i look forward to comments on both modes laser & inkjet, as I'm
> > undecided still..but lasers do seem much cheaper now.
> 
> I posted recently about my use of a cheap HP Deskjet 5940 printer for 
> producing high-resolution transparencies with JetStar Premium film.
> 
> Leon
>

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Gary" <questuk1@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:39 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: newbie..help.. best way to produce DIY, PCB in 
UK


> hello Leon,
>
> yes i did read your post on the printer
>
> Do you thing the paper would work with other inkjets Or its the
> combonation of the two that works?

It's not paper, it's film similar to OHP transparency material, but 
specially made for PCBs. The standard film works with any inkjet that uses 
dye-based ink, the premium film is needed for pigment-based ink.

>
> Do you have any pics of the finished board?

You can see some of my PCBs in the "Leon's" directory in the Photos section. 
These were done on my old printer, the new one is a lot better.

Leon

Hello Gary,

I'm cheap.  Print the layout on paper using your inkjet 
printer.  Take it to one of the big box office supply stores that do 
printing and have them run the paper and the toner transfer film 
through one of there machines.  Cost $0.07 USD.

Usually, make a number of print outs of boards and glue them all on a 
single sheet of paper - fill up the whole thing.  That way it only 
takes a single sheet of toner transfer film for multiple boards.

This is a great reflector for info. on the what it takes to get good 
TT.  One of the biggest aids, for me, was realizing I wasn't getting 
the PCB clean well enough before applying the TT film.  The 
suggestions people have posted on how to get the board clean has been 
a great help.
At 12:20 PM 8/3/2006, Gary wrote:
>Hi,
>
>yes i realise, thanks,
>
>I'm sure that some users, use inkjets to expose, via UV lamp onto
>photo resist PCBS?
>
>Regards
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert E. Plett"
><cachureos@...> wrote:
> >
> > inkjet cannot be used for TT (the cheapest one board process), has
>to be laser
> > or photocopier...
> >
> >
> > --- Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I want to make a few PCBs only about 15 components, PIC micro, few
> > > resistors, caps, leds, etc, so the track spacing is not that critical
> > > ( i have read through your posts and you seem to be trying to get the
> > > best result down to thousandths etc) But for my project thats not too
> > > important! as long as i can solder to the 18 pin pic, that will do (no
> > > tracks going between the pins)
> > >
> > > Can you recommend paper (i have epson c64 inkjet) and materials,
> > > developer and etcher?
> > >
> > > Also where to get these at reasonable price in UK?
> > >
> > > And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary
> >
> >
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         73,
         Mike, K4GMH 

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--- Gary <questuk1@...> wrote:

> Hi Stefan,
> 
> You have me thinking now, my printer does need replacing soon, any
> ideas if this would do for PCB 600dpi.
> 
>
http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10283218&pid=45&tid=279
> 

works OK for TT

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <questuk1@...> wrote:
...
> And finally any tips or pointers to useful websites?

Have you checked the list's Links section yet?

Steve Greenfield