Homebrew PCBs

Hi All,
        I sell plans for two kinds of CNC mills that have been used
for milling and drilling PCB. They both use Derin Gibs and Gibs.
Neither uses homemade DRILLED DELRIN bushings. Gibs and Jibs can be
adjusted at any time so there is no play unlike homemade bushings that
may be too loose or bind . Both machines can be built using simple
hand tools. Both machines can be built for around $100 minus
motors-drivers and software.

                                          John

I can speak highly of Crankorgan's plans and support.  The plans are
well documented.  His support website is among the best.


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>         I sell plans for two kinds of CNC mills that have been used
> for milling and drilling PCB. They both use Derin Gibs and Gibs.
> Neither uses homemade DRILLED DELRIN bushings. Gibs and Jibs can be
> adjusted at any time so there is no play unlike homemade bushings that
> may be too loose or bind . Both machines can be built using simple
> hand tools. Both machines can be built for around $100 minus
> motors-drivers and software.
> 
>                                           John
>

Hi John,

Ballendo was in here a couple of weeks ago announcing his Roadrunner
[?] router/pcb mills that he is making.  His machine, if I recall 
correctly, comes complete with motors, drivers, mechanicals, etc. 
for $500.00

Like everyone else, I have no idea what the machine actually looks 
like, but the data he is presenting is impressive for the price.  I 
don't know for sure either if it comes assembled or not.  Just 
thought I would share that with you in case you were not aware of 
his offerings.

Chris






--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>         I sell plans for two kinds of CNC mills that have been used
> for milling and drilling PCB. They both use Derin Gibs and Gibs.
> Neither uses homemade DRILLED DELRIN bushings. Gibs and Jibs can be
> adjusted at any time so there is no play unlike homemade bushings 
that

> may be too loose or bind . Both machines can be built using simple
> hand tools. Both machines can be built for around $100 minus
> motors-drivers and software.
> 
>                                           John
>

Chris,
      The Brute is 5 years old and the Hawk is two years old. Many
people have build them. I just figured I would mention it since some
people have been talking about building a CNC driller. People have
scratch built a Brute for under $200. If you buy a motor system then
it will be $300. 

                                            John


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
<lcdpublishing@y...> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
> 
> Ballendo was in here a couple of weeks ago announcing his Roadrunner
> [?] router/pcb mills that he is making.  His machine, if I recall 
> correctly, comes complete with motors, drivers, mechanicals, etc. 
> for $500.00
> 
> Like everyone else, I have no idea what the machine actually looks 
> like, but the data he is presenting is impressive for the price.  I 
> don't know for sure either if it comes assembled or not.  Just 
> thought I would share that with you in case you were not aware of 
> his offerings.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >         I sell plans for two kinds of CNC mills that have been used
> > for milling and drilling PCB. They both use Derin Gibs and Gibs.
> > Neither uses homemade DRILLED DELRIN bushings. Gibs and Jibs can be
> > adjusted at any time so there is no play unlike homemade bushings 
> that
> > may be too loose or bind . Both machines can be built using simple
> > hand tools. Both machines can be built for around $100 minus
> > motors-drivers and software.
> > 
> >                                           John
> >
>

Hi John,

Also worth noting is that people can actually see your machines!

Chris



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>       The Brute is 5 years old and the Hawk is two years old. Many
> people have build them. I just figured I would mention it since 
some
> people have been talking about building a CNC driller. People have
> scratch built a Brute for under $200. If you buy a motor system 
then
> it will be $300. 
> 
>                                             John
> 
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
> <lcdpublishing@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > Ballendo was in here a couple of weeks ago announcing his 
Roadrunner
> > [?] router/pcb mills that he is making.  His machine, if I 
recall 
> > correctly, comes complete with motors, drivers, mechanicals, 
etc. 
> > for $500.00
> > 
> > Like everyone else, I have no idea what the machine actually 
looks 
> > like, but the data he is presenting is impressive for the 
price.  I 
> > don't know for sure either if it comes assembled or not.  Just 
> > thought I would share that with you in case you were not aware 
of 
> > his offerings.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >         I sell plans for two kinds of CNC mills that have been 
used
> > > for milling and drilling PCB. They both use Derin Gibs and 
Gibs.
> > > Neither uses homemade DRILLED DELRIN bushings. Gibs and Jibs 
can be
> > > adjusted at any time so there is no play unlike homemade 
bushings 
> > that
> > > may be too loose or bind . Both machines can be built using 
simple

> > > hand tools. Both machines can be built for around $100 minus
> > > motors-drivers and software.
> > > 
> > >                                           John
> > >
> >
>

Chris,
       I also have pictures of machines built by customers. 

                                                 John


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
<lcdpublishing@y...> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
> 
> Also worth noting is that people can actually see your machines!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >       The Brute is 5 years old and the Hawk is two years old. Many
> > people have build them. I just figured I would mention it since 
> some
> > people have been talking about building a CNC driller. People have
> > scratch built a Brute for under $200. If you buy a motor system 
> then
> > it will be $300. 
> > 
> >                                             John
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
> > <lcdpublishing@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > > 
> > > Ballendo was in here a couple of weeks ago announcing his 
> Roadrunner
> > > [?] router/pcb mills that he is making.  His machine, if I 
> recall 
> > > correctly, comes complete with motors, drivers, mechanicals, 
> etc. 
> > > for $500.00
> > > 
> > > Like everyone else, I have no idea what the machine actually 
> looks 
> > > like, but the data he is presenting is impressive for the 
> price.  I 
> > > don't know for sure either if it comes assembled or not.  Just 
> > > thought I would share that with you in case you were not aware 
> of 
> > > his offerings.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >         I sell plans for two kinds of CNC mills that have been 
> used
> > > > for milling and drilling PCB. They both use Derin Gibs and 
> Gibs.
> > > > Neither uses homemade DRILLED DELRIN bushings. Gibs and Jibs 
> can be
> > > > adjusted at any time so there is no play unlike homemade 
> bushings 
> > > that
> > > > may be too loose or bind . Both machines can be built using 
> simple
> > > > hand tools. Both machines can be built for around $100 minus
> > > > motors-drivers and software.
> > > > 
> > > >                                           John
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Two things need to be mentioned: 

1. Ballendo's machine is an idea, only an idea. That idea started 1.5 
year ago and last release date was August 2004. After nothing 
happened since 2004 I thought that that idea gracefully died and I 
have not mentioned it out of respect for Ballendo's technical 
knowledge of CNC and how helpful he is. However, since Ballendo 
mentioned that machine again as the next coming, I felt compelleld to 
inform the unwary public that based on the track record (of that 
machine of course ;) I suggest that you people who want their PCBs 
drilled under CNC control, do  not wait for it because you will get 
disappointeed like I did. I have waited for a year and nothing 
happened but that motivated me to seek alternate solutions: now I 
drill my PCBs automatically, so to speak. And for that I am thankful 
to Ballendo.


2. Brute from www.kleinbauer.com is the real machine built by 100s if 
not more. Lots of pictures are on that website. It is a real machine 
that is well documented and with superior, I repeat, SUPERIOR 
support. Frankly, John, I think you are doing an amazing job of 
helping customers around the world to build their machines.

Anybody who has money, I suggest go to T-tech or LPKF and buy one 
($15,000?). And you still will have to learn how to run it, possibly 
freom John... The rest of the  mortals, please go to 
www.kleinbauer.com and do not delay your dream of heaving your PCBs 
drilled by a computer. No need for getting blind either while 
squinting thru funnyu magnifying glasses over 200 hundred holes.. Mike

Every mention of CNC does not need to be an opportunity to poke at
Ballendo. Please give it a rest.

Steve Greenfield
listowner

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
<lcdpublishing@y...> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
> 
> Also worth noting is that people can actually see your machines!
> 
> Chris
> 
>

>"mikezcnc" <eemikez@c...> wrote:
> 
> 1. Ballendo's machine is an idea, only an idea. 

What possibly gives you the omnipotence to say this? You have 
absolutely no idea of the status of the Roadrunners. If you--and 
Chris-- choose to doubt me, that is your right. If you're upset that 
the product didn't get released in time for your need, so be it. But 
grandly claiming that you have some insider information about the 
status of an unRELEASED product is a bit much, IMO.

Do you remember when Art added a roadrunner test file to the Mach2 
(that's mach TWO) release? There have been REAL roadrunners since 
shortly before then. He added that to the release for me...

BTW, If you haven't yet seen the new car models, do they therefore 
not exist? (Why don't the carmakers want the pics out before they 
release the product?) 

Apparently there are some things about product design and protection 
of designs that you appear not to understand.

Ballendo

P.S. I have no problem with you telling folks that based on your 
experience; they should not wait. It's your assertion reposted above 
that is simply not true.