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2010-08-20 by dd_62622

A punch in the stomach for all CMI owners....
"I am referring to the pile of junk marketed between 1979 and 1985 :  )"

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/emuretro.htm

must read for all fairlight owners

cheers,
David

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-21 by Robert Brady

I think Wiff missed the point of the CMI a little...


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Sacre Bleu!!! Disgraceful!!!
P

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM, dd_62622 <dd_626@hotmail.com> wrote:

A punch in the stomach for all CMI owners....
"I am referring to the pile of junk marketed between 1979 and 1985 : )"

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/emuretro.htm

must read for all fairlight owners

cheers,
David




--
Peter Connelly, Director
Universal Sound Design Ltd
www.universal-sound-design.com

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-21 by Joe Sleator

Sigh.
In old radioactive, smoky Russia, they have a saying...
плохому танцору и яйца мешают
Plohomu tantzoru i yaytza meshayoot, or "A bad dancer is═thwarted even by (and blames)═his own balls!"
And in the hands of an imbecile, even a Stradivarius has a rather nasal honk.
Evidently the author wishes he'd invented the CMI himself. Or maybe his brother in law has a load of old EIIs to flog, or perhaps an EII emulator VST softsynth. Would that be an E squared═II?
One thing about the EII, it's a great deal simpler than even a series I, with fewer parts, and architecturally an EII has more in common with an Ensoniq Mirage than a CMI.
"This foolish contraption, what do they call it, a keyboard, a typewriter? More like a type-wronger!═Supposedly a great literary tool; What a load of codswallop! See here, I push both fists down on the keys like so, and look, only gibberish comes out on the paper! Why, a lump of charcoal is a bigger boon to literature than this ridiculous thing!
He also═seems to have conveniently forgotten that from about 1980 to 1983 it was one of the only sophisticated music and rhythm═sequencers a person could buy, certainly one of the only ones with a built-in synthesizer! But hey we all know that don't we?
Joe
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Peter Connelly <peter.connelly@gmail.com> wrote:

Sacre Bleu!!! Disgraceful!!!
P

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM, dd_62622 <dd_626@hotmail.com> wrote:

A punch in the stomach for all CMI owners....
"I am referring to the pile of junk marketed between 1979 and 1985 : )"

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/emuretro.htm

must read for all fairlight owners

cheers,
David




--
Peter Connelly, Director
Universal Sound Design Ltd
www.universal-sound-design.com


Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-21 by Harald Feldmann

It is a promotional piece for the emulator II.

and you may have missed "I find nothing jolts people out of their
complacent acceptance of supposed greatness as comments along the
following lines: "Mozart got as much out of the symphony orchestra as the
average Country and Western singer gets out of a 12-string guitar;" "

I wouldn't loose sleep over it.
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> Sacre Bleu!!! Disgraceful!!!
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> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM, dd_62622 <dd_626@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> A punch in the stomach for all CMI owners....
>> "I am referring to the pile of junk marketed between 1979 and 1985 : )"
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>> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/emuretro.htm
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>> must read for all fairlight owners
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>> cheers,
>> David
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> --
> Peter Connelly, Director
> Universal Sound Design Ltd
> www.universal-sound-design.com
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Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-21 by Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:31:54 +0200
"Harald Feldmann" <feldmann@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> It is a promotional piece for the emulator II.
[...]
> I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

Well, I'd say not promotional but of an enthusiast.

...and, to be honest, he's quite right here: the default setting of 
tracking filter does affect perception negatively, especially with
CEM chips. Turn the filter off and it's a totally different beast...

-- 
"I went into a general store, and they wouldn't sell me anything
specific".
		-- Steven Wright

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-21 by Peter Connelly

Promotional is usually focused on the actual item being focused with the odd "indirect" neutral sounding reference to its competition. I'm not losing any sleep over it. We all know how the story began and ended.
Cheers,
P
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski <rambo@id.uw.edu.pl> wrote:

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:31:54 +0200
"Harald Feldmann" <feldmann@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> It is a promotional piece for the emulator II.
[...]

> I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

Well, I'd say not promotional but of an enthusiast.

...and, to be honest, he's quite right here: the default setting of
tracking filter does affect perception negatively, especially with
CEM chips. Turn the filter off and it's a totally different beast...

--
"I went into a general store, and they wouldn't sell me anything
specific".
-- Steven Wright




--
Peter Connelly, Director
Universal Sound Design Ltd
www.universal-sound-design.com

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-21 by Gordon JC Pearce

On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 13:14 +0100, Peter Connelly wrote:
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> Promotional is usually focused on the actual item being focused with
> the odd "indirect" neutral sounding reference to its competition. I'm
> not losing any sleep over it. We all know how the story began and
> ended.

For me it ended with an ESI4000 in my rack, an Ensoniq EPS and Mirage in
daily use, and a Fairlight CMI, out there, somewhere, waiting to get
snapped up as a project at a price I can afford.... <turns out pockets>
£6.74 and a couple of BNC connectors, anyone?

Gordon MM0YEQ

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

2010-08-22 by Peter K.

Sorry to dissapoint you guys, but I have to say I fully agree with this guy. The Pre-series III Fairlights really suck. They sound awfull.
Since I own a IIx myself, I think I can safely say I know what I'm talking about.............
For those who want to sell these piles of junk, I'm willing to pay a decent price (let's say 100 $) in order to help you getting rid of this junk........
Kind regards,
Peter Kersten.
P.s.,
Just kidding of course Fact is, this guy doesn't begin to have a clue............ He draws his conclusion based on a few hours (minutes even perhaps) of playing some samples. When it comes to just playing the library samples, I must admit, alot of them really sound like crap.
The point is, you need to see the IIx (and II and I) as a synthesizer and in order to evaluate, you should at least be able to program it and play around a bit with it. Also the choice of monitors (speakers) plays a large role. (I use JBL L-150 and they really rock!!!)
The guy states that techs make the pre-series III Fairlight sound good. Well, how come these techs are only able to make these Fairlights sound so good and not the rest of the instruments out there?
As for me, I love the IIx and would not trade it for anything else. I have come to the following conclusion: The series III is a fantastic sampler, but when it comes to synthesizing, the IIx, II and I, are way more fun than a series III.
As for sound: Just listening to it while playing around with it, outside a production, it just is a feast......... The deep end bass, the realtime loop modification (think of Max Headroom), the wavetable-like sounds, etc. etc. Even today, 2010, there is nothing out there that can compete and give soo much fun........
Only bad thing is service, however lately there is hope and it seems things are improving. (Lightpen and floppydrive upgrades!!!!!!!!).
It's sad that there are idiots out there, like this guy, that give an opinion, without proper background........ (I've seen it happen before, with other instruments.)
For me it's important that all Fairlights out there are preserved as good as possible. They indeed are very special. I know, because I've made synths and samplers my life and still own a lot and have owned even more and in many years I have done alot of comparing and testing myself.
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Carpe Ductum ! - (Seize the tape !)

From: dd_62622
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:15 PM
Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] read this article

A punch in the stomach for all CMI owners....
"I am referring to the pile of junk marketed between 1979 and 1985 : )"

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/emuretro.htm

must read for all fairlight owners

cheers,
David

Re: read this article

2010-08-24 by tomulcahy

Actually Wiff is one of the most accomplished synth programmers alive. His opinion is actually worth listening to. 

If you like it, it's "breathy", if you hate it it's a "nasal honk" (with or without filter). 

Although I do agree that in some ways he doesn't get it- for example, criticising the cello on Army Dreamers? If Mrs. Bush wanted it to sound like real cellos, she would've got real cellos. On the other hand, 20,000 back in the day for a type of distortion pedal was a bit much!

Sacre bleu! ;)

Re: read this article

2010-08-24 by dd_62622

I have to admit I kinda like the poetic chagrin of the autor. : )

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski" <rambo@...> wrote:
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> Dnia 24 Sierpnia 2010, 08:52, Wt, tomulcahy napisa³(a):
> > Actually Wiff is one of the most accomplished synth programmers alive.
> > His opinion is actually worth listening to.
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> Did nobody notice that the whole article:
> a) was written 10 years ago,
> b) is entirely tongue-in-cheek?
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Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: read this article

2010-08-24 by Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski

Dnia 24 Sierpnia 2010, 08:52, Wt, tomulcahy napisał(a):
> Actually Wiff is one of the most accomplished synth programmers alive.
> His opinion is actually worth listening to.

Did nobody notice that the whole article:
a) was written 10 years ago,
b) is entirely tongue-in-cheek?

Re: read this article

2010-08-24 by tomulcahy

I don't think it's tongue in cheek, I think he was genuinely peed off that the IIx did not live up to his expectations, having had a lot of experience as a synth programmer. This is the guy that created the famous Synthex Laser Harp patch. Hence the chagrin. :)

Re: read this article

2010-09-13 by elanb

my emulator II sounds good but the IIx is way warmer and fatter. must have been listening on poor monitors.

anyway.. he says a piano sample on an eII sounds more realistic than a cp80?? i don't think so.

Re: read this article

2010-09-16 by tomulcahy

Well, it sounds more like a grand piano than a cp80 does. CP80s tend to just sound like CP80s. Piano on IIx sounds... like a IIx :)

But seriously, back then, the K250 and the EII were the most realistic sounding portable pianos.

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