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.SYX on Floppy?

.SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Jonathan

Hello,
I have actually managed to find 2 decent sites with Ensoniq VFX-SD sounds on it!

I only have one further problem - I now can't get these files onto my synthesiser, or so it seems!

It looks like you need a midi card installed in your computer to transfer the .syx files across via midi. Well, I don't have one of these, and in fact there aren't even any computers on the same floor as my synthesiser, so this really isn't practical!

I was wondering if there's any way that you can put these .syx files on a floppy to then read on the synthesiser? I'm sure there must be some way as on the VFX-SD operating system disks it has sound banks on it. All I want to do is put my own sound bank from my computer onto a floppy, so is this possible?

Many Thanks,
Jonathan.

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by jammie

unless some one sends the sysex to the the synth then saves to floppy for you make an image so that you can write the image to floppy
there is no other way to get the sysex into your synth if you do not have a comp near by
a laptop with a cheap usb interface would be better then you send the sysex your self and save that to disk
or take your synth to where your comp is do the transfers save to disk
then put your synth back to the room and load the disks to your hearts content
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

Hello,
I have actually managed to find 2 decent sites with Ensoniq VFX-SD sounds on it!

I only have one further problem - I now can't get these files onto my synthesiser, or so it seems!

It looks like you need a midi card installed in your computer to transfer the .syx files across via midi. Well, I don't have one of these, and in fact there aren't even any computers on the same floor as my synthesiser, so this really isn't practical!

I was wondering if there's any way that you can put these .syx files on a floppy to then read on the synthesiser? I'm sure there must be some way as on the VFX-SD operating system disks it has sound banks on it. All I want to do is put my own sound bank from my computer onto a floppy, so is this possible?

Many Thanks,
Jonathan.

Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Jonathan

Thanks for the quick reply!

Ok, now I understand how floppies work with the VFX-SD now. It's a shame that there isn't a way to create image files from .syx on a computer, don't know why no one thought of it!

I think I'll just keep my spare computer upstairs from now on. I'll try my usb to midi cable, but it probably won't work!

Thanks again,
Jonathan.

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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>
> unless some one sends the sysex to the the synth then saves to floppy for you make an image so that you can write the image to floppy
> 
> there is no other way to get the sysex into your synth if you do not have a comp near by
> 
> a laptop with a cheap usb interface would be better then you send the sysex your self and save that to disk
> 
> or take your synth to where your comp is do the transfers save to disk
> 
> then put your synth back to the room and load the disks to your hearts content
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jonathan 
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:13 AM
>   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?
> 
> 
>     
>   Hello,
>   I have actually managed to find 2 decent sites with Ensoniq VFX-SD sounds on it!
> 
>   I only have one further problem - I now can't get these files onto my synthesiser, or so it seems!
> 
>   It looks like you need a midi card installed in your computer to transfer the .syx files across via midi. Well, I don't have one of these, and in fact there aren't even any computers on the same floor as my synthesiser, so this really isn't practical!
> 
>   I was wondering if there's any way that you can put these .syx files on a floppy to then read on the synthesiser? I'm sure there must be some way as on the VFX-SD operating system disks it has sound banks on it. All I want to do is put my own sound bank from my computer onto a floppy, so is this possible?
> 
>   Many Thanks,
>   Jonathan.
>

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by jammie

it will work
just use a editor as long as you set up the usb midi device properly
and have the editor set to the correct channels of the synth there should be no problem dumping single patches or banks to the vfx-sd
there has never been a program that converts sysex to floppy disk format its to difficult in transfer routines as both are totally different formats
its the same for any synth
ones midi protocol language and the other is processor and floppy control language of the instrument os
and seeing as every os is totally different and every ones disk format is different and how they impliment the data to disk is different to every machine to do a conversion software would be a coders nightmare thats why it has never been done and never will
when its easy just to dumpthe sysex to the synth
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

Thanks for the quick reply!

Ok, now I understand how floppies work with the VFX-SD now. It's a shame that there isn't a way to create image files from .syx on a computer, don't know why no one thought of it!

I think I'll just keep my spare computer upstairs from now on. I'll try my usb to midi cable, but it probably won't work!

Thanks again,
Jonathan.

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" wrote:
>
> unless some one sends the sysex to the the synth then saves to floppy for you make an image so that you can write the image to floppy
>
> there is no other way to get the sysex into your synth if you do not have a comp near by
>
> a laptop with a cheap usb interface would be better then you send the sysex your self and save that to disk
>
> or take your synth to where your comp is do the transfers save to disk
>
> then put your synth back to the room and load the disks to your hearts content
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:13 AM
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?
>
>
>
> Hello,
> I have actually managed to find 2 decent sites with Ensoniq VFX-SD sounds on it!
>
> I only have one further problem - I now can't get these files onto my synthesiser, or so it seems!
>
> It looks like you need a midi card installed in your computer to transfer the .syx files across via midi. Well, I don't have one of these, and in fact there aren't even any computers on the same floor as my synthesiser, so this really isn't practical!
>
> I was wondering if there's any way that you can put these .syx files on a floppy to then read on the synthesiser? I'm sure there must be some way as on the VFX-SD operating system disks it has sound banks on it. All I want to do is put my own sound bank from my computer onto a floppy, so is this possible?
>
> Many Thanks,
> Jonathan.
>

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Daniel Forró

On Jul 31, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Jonathan wrote:

> Thanks for the quick reply!
>
> Ok, now I understand how floppies work with the VFX-SD now. It's a  
> shame that there isn't a way to create image files from .syx on a  
> computer, don't know why no one thought of it!

I maybe know :-) There's no reason to think about such a way.  
Everybody just uses floppies to save internal data of instrument, or  
uses MIDI for bulk dump transfer.

Disk hasn't an "image" of SYX file, but it has its special internal  
format different from SYX or MID. Besides many older instruments even  
didn't use MS-DOS standard, so disks are not normally readable on  
computers. But there is some software enabling reading such non- 
standard formats so at least we can copy disks and save to hard disk  
or back-up to CD-R...

For some instruments there's even software which can read some data  
files from instrument disk and convert them to the other data, for  
example to extract sound names... Otherwise there's really no reason  
to convert SYX or MID to internal format, or opposite, in the  
computer. Such conversion can be done easily directly in the  
instrument itself - load data from the disk, send them thru MIDI to  
the computer, and save as MID or SYX (this depends on software). Or  
send SysEx data from computer, and save them on the instrument disk if  
you prefer such format - or if it has some advantage. One can be that  
we can save in one file ALL data of instruments - samples (if there  
are some), individual programs, combined programs (performances...),  
system data, microtunings and maybe more... This way many instruments  
work.

Daniel Forro

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Daniel Forró

Well explained, I just tried to say the same :-)

Daniel Forro
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On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:31 PM, jammie wrote:

>
>
> it will work
>
> just use a editor as long as you set up the usb midi device properly
>
> and have the editor set to the correct channels of the synth there  
> should be no problem dumping single patches or banks to the vfx-sd
>
> there has never been a program that converts sysex to floppy disk  
> format its to difficult in transfer routines as both are totally  
> different formats
>
> its the same for any synth
>
> ones midi protocol language and the other is processor and floppy  
> control language of the instrument os
>
> and seeing as every os is totally different and every ones disk  
> format is different and how they impliment the data to disk is  
> different to every machine to do a conversion software would be a  
> coders nightmare thats why it has never been done and never will
>
> when its easy just to dumpthe sysex to the synth
>

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by jammie

hay daniel you never replied to my message
you did not say what you wanted
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

Well explained, I just tried to say the same :-)

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:31 PM, jammie wrote:



it will work
just use a editor as long as you set up the usb midi device properly
and have the editor set to the correct channels of the synth there should be no problem dumping single patches or banks to the vfx-sd
there has never been a program that converts sysex to floppy disk format its to difficult in transfer routines as both are totally different formats
its the same for any synth
ones midi protocol language and the other is processor and floppy control language of the instrument os
and seeing as every os is totally different and every ones disk format is different and how they impliment the data to disk is different to every machine to do a conversion software would be a coders nightmare thats why it has never been done and never will
when its easy just to dumpthe sysex to the synth

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Daniel Forró

I mean in my previous answer to Jonathan few minutes ago, maybe you still didn't receive it.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:35 PM, jammie wrote:



hay daniel you never replied to my message
you did not say what you wanted
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?


Well explained, I just tried to say the same :-)

Daniel Forro

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by jammie

no that that message the private one you sent me i sent a message back did you get it
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

I mean in my previous answer to Jonathan few minutes ago, maybe you still didn't receive it.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:35 PM, jammie wrote:



hay daniel you never replied to my message
you did not say what you wanted
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?


Well explained, I just tried to say the same :-)

Daniel Forro

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Daniel Forró

Sorry to be late, Jammie, I will answer ASAP :-)

Daniel

On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:03 PM, jammie wrote:



no that that message the private one you sent me i sent a message back did you get it
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?


I mean in my previous answer to Jonathan few minutes ago, maybe you still didn't receive it.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:35 PM, jammie wrote:



hay daniel you never replied to my message
you did not say what you wanted
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: .SYX on Floppy?


Well explained, I just tried to say the same :-)

Daniel Forro





Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by tomlinson6050@roadrunner.com

---- Jonathan <cappuchino_blue@...> wrote: 

=============
Hello,
I have actually managed to find 2 decent sites with Ensoniq VFX-SD sounds on it!

I only have one further problem - I now can't get these files onto my synthesiser, or so it seems!

It looks like you need a midi card installed in your computer to transfer the .syx files across via midi. Well, I don't have one of these, and in fact there aren't even any computers on the same floor as my synthesiser, so this really isn't practical!

I was wondering if there's any way that you can put these .syx files on a floppy to then read on the synthesiser? I'm sure there must be some way as on the VFX-SD operating system disks it has sound banks on it. All I want to do is put my own sound bank from my computer onto a floppy, so is this possible?

Many Thanks,
Jonathan.

=====================================================================

Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the correct Ensoniq format.
Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95 or 98.
Bill

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Daniel Forró

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS  
software.

Daniel Forro


On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@... 
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 > wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the  
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95  
> or 98.
> Bill

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by jammie

it only does midi song data not sysex data
as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
Show quoted textHide quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <;tomlinson6050@roadrunner.com> <tomlinson6050@...
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Daniel Forró

Jammie,

SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.

Daniel

On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:



it only does midi song data not sysex data
as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@...
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill




Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by jammie

so it can do .mid with sysex data dump in the file
did not realise the program did that i just used it to change standard smf to the format of the sd1 sequencer so i could take .mid sequences i did in cubas and have them in the sd1
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

Jammie,

SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.

Daniel

On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:



it only does midi song data not sysex data
as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@roadrunner.com> <tomlinson6050@...
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill




Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Christian Brunschen

Sounds are encoded very simply in a .SYX fie; they contain a short header, then a nybble-encoded dump of the sound data as it is stored in memory and indeed as it is stored on floppy; and a brief trailer. So unpacking them should be doable. The details are in the VFX-SD Musicians Manual, http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Ensoniq_VFX-SD_Manual.pdf in Appendix A.

Once the .SYX files have been unpacked to 'raw' sound program files, they need to be put on a floppy.

To access the floppies themselves, to read or write the bare contents of a floppy, there is OmniFlop:


And to access the contents of the filesystem on the floppy, there's the EnsoniqFS plugin for TotalCommander:



Together these should allow full access to read and I think write to Ensoniq-formatted floppies, including VFX-SD ones. So all in all it should be possible to take the .SYX files and put them onto a floppy.

Best wishes,

// Christian Brunschen


On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:



Jammie,

SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.

Daniel

On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:



it only does midi song data not sysex data
as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@...
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill







Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Mark Wiens

Keep in mind that Microsoft, in their great wisdom decided it was not necessary to low level floppy support, including 720k floppy creation in their operating systems after Windows 98.

Mark
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On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Christian Brunschen <cb@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Sounds are encoded very simply in a .SYX fie; they contain a short header, then a nybble-encoded dump of the sound data as it is stored in memory and indeed as it is stored on floppy; and a brief trailer. So unpacking them should be doable. The details are in the VFX-SD Musicians Manual, http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Ensoniq_VFX-SD_Manual.pdf in Appendix A.
> 
> Once the .SYX files have been unpacked to 'raw' sound program files, they need to be put on a floppy. 
> 
> To access the floppies themselves, to read or write the bare contents of a floppy, there is OmniFlop:
> 
>   http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniFlop/OmniFlop.htm
> 
> And to access the contents of the filesystem on the floppy, there's the EnsoniqFS plugin for TotalCommander:
> 
>   http://thoralt.ehecht.com/content-en/Projects/Eintrage/2007/7/30_ensoniqfs_-_a_filesystem_plugin_for_TotalCommander.html
>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/ensoniqfs/
> 
>   http://www.ghisler.com
> 
> Together these should allow full access to read and I think write to Ensoniq-formatted floppies, including VFX-SD ones. So all in all it should be possible to take the .SYX files and put them onto a floppy.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> // Christian Brunschen
> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jammie,
>> 
>> SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.
>> 
>> Daniel 
>> 
>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> it only does midi song data not sysex data
>>>  
>>> as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Daniel Forró
>>> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?
>>> 
>>> This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS 
>>> software.
>>> 
>>> Daniel Forro
>>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@... 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
>>> > He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the 
>>> > correct Ensoniq format.
>>> > Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95 
>>> > or 98.
>>> > Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>

RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-07-31 by Gary Brumm

…same reason they don’t support large floppies…the floppy format is obsolete. There is a program; I believe it’s called Format Factory,

(not to be confused by the media format program that is much newer) and it will format any floppy format or copy any existing formatted

floppy sector by sector. I don’t know if the program is still available but it is the most comprehensive floppy program I have ever seen. I no longer

use floppies due to their low capacity, slow speed, and dependability issues (more with the old drives than the media in my experience.

I may be able to find and share my copy as I am sure it must be public domain by now and I believe it was free in the first place.

Gary

From: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wiens
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

Keep in mind that Microsoft, in their great wisdom decided it was not necessary to low level floppy support, including 720k floppy creation in their operating systems after Windows 98.

Mark


On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Christian Brunschen <cb@df.lth.se> wrote:

Sounds are encoded very simply in a .SYX fie; they contain a short header, then a nybble-encoded dump of the sound data as it is stored in memory and indeed as it is stored on floppy; and a brief trailer. So unpacking them should be doable. The details are in the VFX-SD Musicians Manual, http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Ensoniq_VFX-SD_Manual.pdf in Appendix A.

Once the .SYX files have been unpacked to 'raw' sound program files, they need to be put on a floppy.

To access the floppies themselves, to read or write the bare contents of a floppy, there is OmniFlop:

And to access the contents of the filesystem on the floppy, there's the EnsoniqFS plugin for TotalCommander:

Together these should allow full access to read and I think write to Ensoniq-formatted floppies, including VFX-SD ones. So all in all it should be possible to take the .SYX files and put them onto a floppy.

Best wishes,

// Christian Brunschen

On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:



Jammie,

SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.

Daniel

On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:



it only does midi song data not sysex data

as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@roadrunner.com> <tomlinson6050@roadrunner.com
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill



Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-08-01 by Christian Brunschen

On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mark Wiens wrote:

Keep in mind that Microsoft, in their great wisdom decided it was not necessary to low level floppy support, including 720k floppy creation in their operating systems after Windows 98.

Well, programs like OmniFlop and possibly TotalCommander manage work around that, since the actual floppy controllers used are still very much standard. Indeed, if you want to enable low-level access for your own programs, you can use something like the fdrawcmd driver, http://simonowen.com/fdrawcmd/ , which gives access to those floppy controllers even on modern Windows versions including the latest (Vista, 7 and 8) as long as your PC includes a floppy controller. You can even get a small program from the same developer that lets you create and manage floppy images in various forms, see http://simonowen.com/samdisk/ ;.

Either way, as long as you're using a floppy drive connected to a controller on the motherboard of your PC, the software mentioned should allow you to access things as you'd expect even though Windows itself doesn't include drivers.

Mark

Best wishes,

// Christian


On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Christian Brunschen <cb@...> wrote:

Sounds are encoded very simply in a .SYX fie; they contain a short header, then a nybble-encoded dump of the sound data as it is stored in memory and indeed as it is stored on floppy; and a brief trailer. So unpacking them should be doable. The details are in the VFX-SD Musicians Manual, http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Ensoniq_VFX-SD_Manual.pdf in Appendix A.

Once the .SYX files have been unpacked to 'raw' sound program files, they need to be put on a floppy. ;

To access the floppies themselves, to read or write the bare contents of a floppy, there is OmniFlop:


And to access the contents of the filesystem on the floppy, there's the EnsoniqFS plugin for TotalCommander:



Together these should allow full access to read and I think write to Ensoniq-formatted floppies, including VFX-SD ones. So all in all it should be possible to take the .SYX files and put them onto a floppy.

Best wishes,

// Christian Brunschen


On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:



Jammie,

SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.

Daniel

On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:



it only does midi song data not sysex data
as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@...
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill










RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-08-01 by Gary Brumm

You may still be able to get a floppy to work a good thing to use. I realize if may be the economical way to go especially on an old

inexpensive keyboard. You can get plug-in direct replacements for the floppy in the form of memory card readers that not only increase

the amount of memory but transfer speed as well. It\u2019s an option to consider if you want to invest a bit into your keyboard. I have done this

with Kurzweils and the difference is staggering. Floppy\u2019s are obsolete \u201cby today\u2019s standards but if you need to add one to a newer machine

if you use an old computer it will be cheaper albeit slower and more cumbersome. \u2026.just an option you might consider to modernize your keyboard.

Cheers,

Gary

From: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christian Brunschen
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:36 AM
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mark Wiens wrote:



Keep in mind that Microsoft, in their great wisdom decided it was not necessary to low level floppy support, including 720k floppy creation in their operating systems after Windows 98.

Well, programs like OmniFlop and possibly TotalCommander manage work around that, since the actual floppy controllers used are still very much standard. Indeed, if you want to enable low-level access for your own programs, you can use something like the fdrawcmd driver, http://simonowen.com/fdrawcmd/ , which gives access to those floppy controllers even on modern Windows versions including the latest (Vista, 7 and 8) as long as your PC includes a floppy controller. You can even get a small program from the same developer that lets you create and manage floppy images in various forms, see http://simonowen.com/samdisk/ .

Either way, as long as you're using a floppy drive connected to a controller on the motherboard of your PC, the software mentioned should allow you to access things as you'd expect even though Windows itself doesn't include drivers.

Mark

Best wishes,

// Christian




On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Christian Brunschen <cb@df.lth.se> wrote:

Sounds are encoded very simply in a .SYX fie; they contain a short header, then a nybble-encoded dump of the sound data as it is stored in memory and indeed as it is stored on floppy; and a brief trailer. So unpacking them should be doable. The details are in the VFX-SD Musicians Manual, http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Ensoniq_VFX-SD_Manual.pdf in Appendix A.

Once the .SYX files have been unpacked to 'raw' sound program files, they need to be put on a floppy.

To access the floppies themselves, to read or write the bare contents of a floppy, there is OmniFlop:

And to access the contents of the filesystem on the floppy, there's the EnsoniqFS plugin for TotalCommander:

Together these should allow full access to read and I think write to Ensoniq-formatted floppies, including VFX-SD ones. So all in all it should be possible to take the .SYX files and put them onto a floppy.

Best wishes,

// Christian Brunschen

On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:



Jammie,

SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.

Daniel

On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:



it only does midi song data not sysex data

as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS
software.

Daniel Forro

On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@...
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
> He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the
> correct Ensoniq format.
> Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95
> or 98.
> Bill



Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?

2012-08-01 by Mark Wiens

That sounds interesting, because years ago I worked hard to find some solution for XP and newer users. Having used disk image duplication software/hardware for years, I was essentially told to give up hope for that possibility on XP and newer... will check those out soon!

-- Mark
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On Aug 1, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Christian Brunschen <cb@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mark Wiens wrote:
> 
>> Keep in mind that Microsoft, in their great wisdom decided it was not necessary to low level floppy support, including 720k floppy creation in their operating systems after Windows 98.
> 
> Well, programs like OmniFlop and possibly TotalCommander manage work around that, since the actual floppy controllers used are still very much standard. Indeed, if you want to enable low-level access for your own programs, you can use something like the fdrawcmd driver, http://simonowen.com/fdrawcmd/ , which gives access to those floppy controllers even on modern Windows versions including the latest (Vista, 7 and 8) as long as your PC includes a floppy controller.  You can even get a small program from the same developer that lets you create and manage floppy images in various forms, see http://simonowen.com/samdisk/ .
> 
> Either way, as long as you're using a floppy drive connected to a controller on the motherboard of your PC, the software mentioned should allow you to access things as you'd expect even though Windows itself doesn't include drivers.
> 
>> Mark
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> // Christian
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Christian Brunschen <cb@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds are encoded very simply in a .SYX fie; they contain a short header, then a nybble-encoded dump of the sound data as it is stored in memory and indeed as it is stored on floppy; and a brief trailer. So unpacking them should be doable. The details are in the VFX-SD Musicians Manual, http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Ensoniq_VFX-SD_Manual.pdf in Appendix A.
>>> 
>>> Once the .SYX files have been unpacked to 'raw' sound program files, they need to be put on a floppy. 
>>> 
>>> To access the floppies themselves, to read or write the bare contents of a floppy, there is OmniFlop:
>>> 
>>>   http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniFlop/OmniFlop.htm
>>> 
>>> And to access the contents of the filesystem on the floppy, there's the EnsoniqFS plugin for TotalCommander:
>>> 
>>>   http://thoralt.ehecht.com/content-en/Projects/Eintrage/2007/7/30_ensoniqfs_-_a_filesystem_plugin_for_TotalCommander.html
>>>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/ensoniqfs/
>>> 
>>>   http://www.ghisler.com
>>> 
>>> Together these should allow full access to read and I think write to Ensoniq-formatted floppies, including VFX-SD ones. So all in all it should be possible to take the .SYX files and put them onto a floppy.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> // Christian Brunschen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Daniel Forró wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jammie,
>>>> 
>>>> SMF is used not only for songs, of course also for SysEx memory bulk dump... It differs from SYX format just in small details in header.
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:28 AM, jammie wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> it only does midi song data not sysex data
>>>>>  
>>>>> as i have the soft on a win98 pc and it needs to use the msdos
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Daniel Forró
>>>>> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] .SYX on Floppy?
>>>>> 
>>>>> This software works with SMF, not SysEx format, and it's MS-DOS 
>>>>> software.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel Forro
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 PM, <tomlinson6050@...> <tomlinson6050@... 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi. Go to www.giebler.com
>>>>> > He sells software that can write sysex data on disks with the 
>>>>> > correct Ensoniq format.
>>>>> > Only problem is you will need an older computer running Windows 95 
>>>>> > or 98.
>>>>> > Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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