Doepfer

Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that  
might be interesting to have in a synth?  (Standard = sine, saw,  
triangle, rectangle)

In terms of sonics or control?

In short... YES to either side of the question.

But, you can "generally" create many other waveforms by having access to 
multiples of the 4 basic food groups. The exceptions would be when you want 
a reverse saw to be able to do something regarding control, sonically a 
reverse saw would sound just about exactly the same as a forward saw.


The core behind your question is a great reason to have MANY MANY VCOs in 
your rig. I think I have over 60 in various forms.


Mark
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Monroe Eskew (04:47 PM 1/14/2009) wrote:

 >Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that
 >might be interesting to have in a synth?  (Standard = sine, saw,
 >triangle, rectangle)

Primarily the interest is sonics.  I am wondering if there is some  
interesting possible sound that we don't really have easy access to  
with subtractive synthesis.  Or maybe just a cool shape that is some  
way much different from the standards.


On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Mark Pulver wrote:

>
> In terms of sonics or control?
>
> In short... YES to either side of the question.
>
> But, you can "generally" create many other waveforms by having  
> access to
> multiples of the 4 basic food groups. The exceptions would be when  
> you want
> a reverse saw to be able to do something regarding control,  
> sonically a
> reverse saw would sound just about exactly the same as a forward saw.
>
> The core behind your question is a great reason to have MANY MANY  
> VCOs in
> your rig. I think I have over 60 in various forms.
>
> Mark
> -----
> Monroe Eskew (04:47 PM 1/14/2009) wrote:
> >Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that
> >might be interesting to have in a synth? (Standard = sine, saw,
> >triangle, rectangle)
>
>
> 



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Not sure if there's anything euro format out there, but one module you
might look at is a Blacet Miniwave.  There is a PlanB conversion kit
to make it work with the Doepfer power bus.
I'm not sure if there's anything else like it.  Works as a wavetable
"oscillator", quantizer, and you can get some very interesting
modulations running an LFO through it.

Sorry for posting non-doepfer solutions here, but I love my miniwave!  :)

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com> wrote:
> Primarily the interest is sonics. I am wondering if there is some
> interesting possible sound that we don't really have easy access to
> with subtractive synthesis. Or maybe just a cool shape that is some
> way much different from the standards.
>
> On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Mark Pulver wrote:
>
>>
>> In terms of sonics or control?
>>
>> In short... YES to either side of the question.
>>
>> But, you can "generally" create many other waveforms by having
>> access to
>> multiples of the 4 basic food groups. The exceptions would be when
>> you want
>> a reverse saw to be able to do something regarding control,
>> sonically a
>> reverse saw would sound just about exactly the same as a forward saw.
>>
>> The core behind your question is a great reason to have MANY MANY
>> VCOs in
>> your rig. I think I have over 60 in various forms.
>>
>> Mark
>> -----
>> Monroe Eskew (04:47 PM 1/14/2009) wrote:
>> >Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that
>> >might be interesting to have in a synth? (Standard = sine, saw,
>> >triangle, rectangle)
>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

> Primarily the interest is sonics.  I am wondering if there is some
> interesting possible sound that we don't really have easy access to
> with subtractive synthesis.  Or maybe just a cool shape that is some
> way much different from the standards.

Not new but still interesting: load the A-112 sampler with any sound and
switch it to wave table mode. Then use the wave CV input to scan through the
sample cutouts. Try different audio samples. You can get a lot of crazy
waveforms in that way. Of course the A-112 can be loaded via Midi with
exactly defined waveforms.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

I want one that varies infinitely, never repeats and always plays
stunning music.

Can we have a poll?


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
wrote:

>
> Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that  
> might be interesting to have in a synth?  (Standard = sine, saw,  
> triangle, rectangle)
>

What about a "tangent wave"?... except cut it off at before it gets to  
infinity volts, don't want to explode the universe.  It looks  
interesting and probably sounds like a sawtooth with heavier  
fundamental and high, lower mid.  In that case a bandpass filter might  
approximate it well enough.



On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Doug wrote:

> I want one that varies infinitely, never repeats and always plays
> stunning music.
>
> Can we have a poll?
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that
> > might be interesting to have in a synth? (Standard = sine, saw,
> > triangle, rectangle)
> >
>
>
> 



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Hi Doug

> I want one that varies infinitely, never repeats and always plays
> stunning music.
http://home.netspeed.com.au/aistorm/Trance.html

Not perfect but if you like the musics style very amusing.

Florian

hi, i d like to think of an holographic or 3 dimensional waveforms!

:)

Best, peter


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
wrote:

>
> Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that  
> might be interesting to have in a synth?  (Standard = sine, saw,  
> triangle, rectangle)
>

too bad there are only two dimensions to work with, time and voltage

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM, peteruertz <peter@uertz.de> wrote:

>   hi, i d like to think of an holographic or 3 dimensional waveforms!
>
> :)
>
> Best, peter
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone think of other waveforms besides the standard ones that
> > might be interesting to have in a synth? (Standard = sine, saw,
> > triangle, rectangle)
> >
>
>  
>


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This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME  
audio interfaces:

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785

I just saw it.. quite amazing.I wonder if my old Motu 828 (original 1st
version) will be able to do that..
Nice reason to get that thing off the shelve again.








On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Korhan Erel <listekutusu@gmail.com> wrote:

>   This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
> audio interfaces:
>
>
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785
>
>  
>


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The article says any MOTU interface with 1/4� outputs. So yes, it will.

On 17.Oca.2009, at 03:40, achtung_999 wrote:

> I just saw it.. quite amazing.I wonder if my old Motu 828 (original  
> 1st
> version) will be able to do that..
> Nice reason to get that thing off the shelve again.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Korhan Erel <listekutusu@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> > This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
> > audio interfaces:
> >
> >
> > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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I think this is very significant and profound for the analog synthesizer
Like the internet was for computers
The idea has been around for a while with a few academics in the  
MAXDAP world
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992

David

On 17/01/2009, at 2:47 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:

> The article says any MOTU interface with 1/4” outputs. So yes, it  
> will.
>
> On 17.Oca.2009, at 03:40, achtung_999 wrote:
>
>> I just saw it.. quite amazing.I wonder if my old Motu 828 (original
>> 1st
>> version) will be able to do that..
>> Nice reason to get that thing off the shelve again.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Korhan Erel <listekutusu@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
>>> audio interfaces:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785
>>>
>>>
>>>
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David wrote:

>
> The idea has been around for a while with a few academics in the
>  world
> http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992 
> <http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>
>
> SO had the internet :-).
>
>

I agree that the VOLTA looks amazing at first glance, but for me, the 
great strength of analogue synthesis is the hands-on control and the 
luxury of being able to get away from the screen. Sure, it's cool to 
be able to get the better control output resolution from your DAW, 
but it's still fundamentally unsatisfying to rely on drawing ramps, 
curves and other control data rather than feeling them.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a one 
way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface 
inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance - to be 
recorded.

... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable, CV 
recorder. Otherwise, even with this new VOLTA app, we're still going 
to have to use Morton Subotnik's ghost tracks method if we want to 
record actual performances of CV data.

(I'll probably buy VOLTA when it's released though as I'm sure it'll 
be useful for lots of stuff!)

sean


>David wrote:
>>
>>  The idea has been around for a while with a few academics in the
>>  world
>> 
>><http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992
>> 
>><<http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>
>>
>>  SO had the internet :-).
>>
>>
>
>


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not computer based but Modcan's CV recorder does pretty much what you  
want in terms of recording a CV "performance"

On 17 Jan 2009, at 13:23, Sean Williams wrote:

> I agree that the VOLTA looks amazing at first glance, but for me, the
> great strength of analogue synthesis is the hands-on control and the
> luxury of being able to get away from the screen. Sure, it's cool to
> be able to get the better control output resolution from your DAW,
> but it's still fundamentally unsatisfying to rely on drawing ramps,
> curves and other control data rather than feeling them.
>
> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a one
> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance - to be
> recorded.
>
> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable, CV
> recorder. Otherwise, even with this new VOLTA app, we're still going
> to have to use Morton Subotnik's ghost tracks method if we want to
> record actual performances of CV data.
>
> (I'll probably buy VOLTA when it's released though as I'm sure it'll
> be useful for lots of stuff!)
>
> sean
>
> >David wrote:
> >>
> >> The idea has been around for a while with a few academics in the
> >> world
> >>
> >><http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http:// 
> www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992
> >>
> >><<http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http:// 
> www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>
> >>
> >> SO had the internet :-).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Hi Monroe

>>  hi, i d like to think of an holographic or 3 dimensional waveforms!
> too bad there are only two dimensions to work with, time and voltage
Stereo phase?

Florian

> I agree that the VOLTA looks amazing at first glance, but for me, the
> great strength of analogue synthesis is the hands-on control and the
> luxury of being able to get away from the screen. Sure, it's cool to
> be able to get the better control output resolution from your DAW,
> but it's still fundamentally unsatisfying to rely on drawing ramps,
> curves and other control data rather than feeling them.
>
It's no different than, say drawing envelopes and lfo's in Absynth or  
any other sophisticated softsynth. Most "chicklets" (the functions of  
Volta) bear a lot of similarities to Motu's MX4 functions (they're  
actually lifted out of MX4), so they're very flexible and farreaching.

For me, it will be the combination of having a complete DAW  
functionality combined with modular hardware that will be the killer  
app. Since Volta is just a plugin, it's no problem to use an external  
hardware controller to control it, just like you can with any other  
VSTi.

> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a one
> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance - to be
> recorded.
>

No. Volta is a 2-way system.
You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into Volta  
and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance host- 
sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or whatever)  
in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your ribboncontroller and  
treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into Volta it  
becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are endless.

So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta, it gets  
really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular, once  
you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).


> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable, CV
> recorder.
>
Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to your  
available memory/HD space.

> Otherwise, even with this new VOLTA app, we're still going
> to have to use Morton Subotnik's ghost tracks method if we want to
> record actual performances of CV data.
>
This is the exact reason why I'm gonna use Volta. No more ghost  
tapes... :-)
It's no problem to record/output a whole composition with and through  
Volta, since it can use your DAW's automation system as a CV source.  
I'll be working with a 9.1 kinda-surround system soon, and you can bet  
I'm gonna use Volta to control it (over a whole composition at once).

> (I'll probably buy VOLTA when it's released though as I'm sure it'll
> be useful for lots of stuff!)
>
Volta is huge !

It's exactly what I have been dreaming of (and promoting) for at least  
10 years. It's also very similar to what I proposed as a new Doepfer  
module in the last poll... Only, Volta is much better than what I had  
in mind.

Regardless, the real power of Volta lies in it's ability to process  
signals at 192KHz rate (or whatever you DAW is capable of), which  
gives for sikly smooth and stepless CV's, even over very long  
durations. That, and the fact that you can feed everything from your  
modular back into it. Just think of all those wild things you can  
dream up with that, and still be in sync with anything you do on your  
DAW....

Altough it's already a very capable product with step-sequencers,  
endless LFO's and EG's, S/H's, S/T's, Heisenberg functions, ramp  
generators (via automation), MIDI effects on the input (real-time),  
etc... it's not finished yet. A contour sequencer will follow soon,  
and perhaps also some functions to do stuff with incoming CV's (touch  
& ribbon controllers. etc)...

And it costs no more than one module.... replacing many of them in one  
go.


Personally, I can't wait to get my hands on one.


PS. Anyone has a Motu Ultralite III for sale ? ;-)


_g

>
>
> sean
>
> >David wrote:
> >>
> >> The idea has been around for a while with a few academics in the
> >> world
> >>
> >><http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992
> >>
> >><<http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992 
> >
> >>
> >> SO had the internet :-).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Cool. Can't wait to hear some user reports!

>  > I agree that the VOLTA looks amazing at first glance, but for me, the
>>  great strength of analogue synthesis is the hands-on control and the
>>  luxury of being able to get away from the screen. Sure, it's cool to
>>  be able to get the better control output resolution from your DAW,
>>  but it's still fundamentally unsatisfying to rely on drawing ramps,
>>  curves and other control data rather than feeling them.
>>
>It's no different than, say drawing envelopes and lfo's in Absynth or 
>any other sophisticated softsynth. Most "chicklets" (the functions of 
>Volta) bear a lot of similarities to Motu's MX4 functions (they're 
>actually lifted out of MX4), so they're very flexible and farreaching.
>
>For me, it will be the combination of having a complete DAW 
>functionality combined with modular hardware that will be the killer 
>app. Since Volta is just a plugin, it's no problem to use an external 
>hardware controller to control it, just like you can with any other 
>VSTi.
>
>>  Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a one
>>  way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
>>  inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance - to be
>>  recorded.
>>
>
>No. Volta is a 2-way system.
>You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into Volta 
>and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance host-
>sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or whatever) 
>in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your ribboncontroller and 
>treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into Volta it 
>becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are endless.
>
>So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta, it gets 
>really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular, once 
>you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
>
>
>>  ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable, CV
>>  recorder.
>>
>Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
>Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to your 
>available memory/HD space.
>
>>  Otherwise, even with this new VOLTA app, we're still going
>>  to have to use Morton Subotnik's ghost tracks method if we want to
>>  record actual performances of CV data.
>>
>This is the exact reason why I'm gonna use Volta. No more ghost 
>tapes... :-)
>It's no problem to record/output a whole composition with and through 
>Volta, since it can use your DAW's automation system as a CV source. 
>I'll be working with a 9.1 kinda-surround system soon, and you can bet
>I'm gonna use Volta to control it (over a whole composition at once).
>
>>  (I'll probably buy VOLTA when it's released though as I'm sure it'll
>>  be useful for lots of stuff!)
>>
>Volta is huge !
>
>It's exactly what I have been dreaming of (and promoting) for at least 
>10 years. It's also very similar to what I proposed as a new Doepfer 
>module in the last poll... Only, Volta is much better than what I had 
>in mind.
>
>Regardless, the real power of Volta lies in it's ability to process 
>signals at 192KHz rate (or whatever you DAW is capable of), which 
>gives for sikly smooth and stepless CV's, even over very long 
>durations. That, and the fact that you can feed everything from your 
>modular back into it. Just think of all those wild things you can 
>dream up with that, and still be in sync with anything you do on your 
>DAW....
>
>Altough it's already a very capable product with step-sequencers, 
>endless LFO's and EG's, S/H's, S/T's, Heisenberg functions, ramp 
>generators (via automation), MIDI effects on the input (real-time), 
>etc... it's not finished yet. A contour sequencer will follow soon, 
>and perhaps also some functions to do stuff with incoming CV's (touch 
>& ribbon controllers. etc)...
>
>And it costs no more than one module.... replacing many of them in one 
>go.
>
>
>Personally, I can't wait to get my hands on one.
>
>
>PS. Anyone has a Motu Ultralite III for sale ? ;-)
>
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>_g
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>  > sean
>>
>>  >David wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> The idea has been around for a while with a few academics in the
>>  >> world
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>>  >><<http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992>http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1992
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Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know and read  
- there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including the MOTU  
ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at the same  
time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to allot  
in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices. There  
has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to input DC by  
removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no hands on  
reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All the  
reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling your  
modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording (even the  
Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you have  
seen any this let us know.

-James

On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:


>
>> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a one
>> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
>> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance - to be
>> recorded.
>>
>
> No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into Volta
> and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance host-
> sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or whatever)
> in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your ribboncontroller and
> treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into Volta it
> becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are endless.
>
> So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta, it gets
> really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular, once
> you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
>
>
>> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable, CV
>> recorder.
>>
> Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to your
> available memory/HD space.
>>>>

Yes, James, you're right. My mistake - no DC in to Volta; I  
misinterpreted a few things. Perhaps blinded by my enthusiasm, mea  
culpa.

Volta's designer (Matthew Davidson, of Stretta fame) says that he'd  
love to design a dedicated interface for this, but he has "to  
demonstrate a significant market need" [to Motu].
Unfortunately, Motu isn't Doepfer -- they don't do user polls.

_g

> Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know and read
> - there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including the MOTU
> ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at the same
> time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to allot
> in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices. There
> has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to input DC by
> removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no hands on
> reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All the
> reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling your
> modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording (even the
> Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you have
> seen any this let us know.
>
> -James
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
>
> >
> >> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a  
> one
> >> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
> >> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance -  
> to be
> >> recorded.
> >>
> >
> > No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> > You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into Volta
> > and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance host-
> > sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or  
> whatever)
> > in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your ribboncontroller  
> and
> > treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into Volta it
> > becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are endless.
> >
> > So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta, it gets
> > really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular, once
> > you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
> >
> >
> >> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable, CV
> >> recorder.
> >>
> > Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> > Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to your
> > available memory/HD space.

You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before  
someone else jumps in and does it. After all there sure has been a lot  
of people making audio interfaces forever and with a few tweaks you  
have this idea in a box. Make it USB2 or FireWire and have it do the  
ramping stuff in hardware and you have it. Basically MOTU is doing  
somebody's market research for them. And if they make it do out and in  
and at a decent voltage level with a decent number of channels, they  
will steal the market from MOTU in a second. I'm sure all the modular  
makers are checking out their resources as we speak!

- James

On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:

> Yes, James, you're right. My mistake - no DC in to Volta; I
> misinterpreted a few things. Perhaps blinded by my enthusiasm, mea
> culpa.
>
> Volta's designer (Matthew Davidson, of Stretta fame) says that he'd
> love to design a dedicated interface for this, but he has "to
> demonstrate a significant market need" [to Motu].
> Unfortunately, Motu isn't Doepfer -- they don't do user polls.
>
> _g
>
> > Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know and  
> read
> > - there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including the  
> MOTU
> > ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at the  
> same
> > time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to allot
> > in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices. There
> > has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to input DC by
> > removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no hands on
> > reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All the
> > reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling your
> > modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording (even  
> the
> > Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you have
> > seen any this let us know.
> >
> > -James
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is only a
> > one
> > >> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
> > >> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance -
> > to be
> > >> recorded.
> > >>
> > >
> > > No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> > > You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into  
> Volta
> > > and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance  
> host-
> > > sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or
> > whatever)
> > > in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your ribboncontroller
> > and
> > > treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into Volta  
> it
> > > becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are  
> endless.
> > >
> > > So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta, it  
> gets
> > > really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular, once
> > > you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
> > >
> > >
> > >> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable,  
> CV
> > >> recorder.
> > >>
> > > Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> > > Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to your
> > > available memory/HD space.
>
> 



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James
I dare say that most of the modular makers would not have the resource  
to do the software design and digital electronics design so its  
unlikely to happen and Motu know this -thats why its coming to market

David
On 18/01/2009, at 12:07 PM, James Husted wrote:

> You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> someone else jumps in and does it. After all there sure has been a lot
> of people making audio interfaces forever and with a few tweaks you
> have this idea in a box. Make it USB2 or FireWire and have it do the
> ramping stuff in hardware and you have it. Basically MOTU is doing
> somebody's market research for them. And if they make it do out and in
> and at a decent voltage level with a decent number of channels, they
> will steal the market from MOTU in a second. I'm sure all the modular
> makers are checking out their resources as we speak!
>
> - James
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
>
> > Yes, James, you're right. My mistake - no DC in to Volta; I
> > misinterpreted a few things. Perhaps blinded by my enthusiasm, mea
> > culpa.
> >
> > Volta's designer (Matthew Davidson, of Stretta fame) says that he'd
> > love to design a dedicated interface for this, but he has "to
> > demonstrate a significant market need" [to Motu].
> > Unfortunately, Motu isn't Doepfer -- they don't do user polls.
> >
> > _g
> >
> > > Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know and
> > read
> > > - there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including the
> > MOTU
> > > ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at the
> > same
> > > time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to  
> allot
> > > in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices.  
> There
> > > has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to input DC  
> by
> > > removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no hands on
> > > reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All the
> > > reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling your
> > > modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording (even
> > the
> > > Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you have
> > > seen any this let us know.
> > >
> > > -James
> > >
> > > On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is  
> only a
> > > one
> > > >> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?) interface
> > > >> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual performance -
> > > to be
> > > >> recorded.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> > > > You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into
> > Volta
> > > > and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance
> > host-
> > > > sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or
> > > whatever)
> > > > in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your  
> ribboncontroller
> > > and
> > > > treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into Volta
> > it
> > > > becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are
> > endless.
> > > >
> > > > So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta, it
> > gets
> > > > really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular, once
> > > > you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC capable,
> > CV
> > > >> recorder.
> > > >>
> > > > Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> > > > Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to your
> > > > available memory/HD space.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What has happened here is probably one Motu employee has thought  
outside the square and actually managed to get this to market with the  
right pitch etc to management. its greater than the some of its parts  
and as profound as the internet was for computers.
Analog Synthesizer technology has taken a giant leap forward --I would  
say its the biggest advance ever
David


On 18/01/2009, at 12:25 PM, David wrote:

> James
> I dare say that most of the modular makers would not have the resource
> to do the software design and digital electronics design so its
> unlikely to happen and Motu know this -thats why its coming to market
>
> David
> On 18/01/2009, at 12:07 PM, James Husted wrote:
>
> > You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> > someone else jumps in and does it. After all there sure has been a  
> lot
> > of people making audio interfaces forever and with a few tweaks you
> > have this idea in a box. Make it USB2 or FireWire and have it do the
> > ramping stuff in hardware and you have it. Basically MOTU is doing
> > somebody's market research for them. And if they make it do out  
> and in
> > and at a decent voltage level with a decent number of channels, they
> > will steal the market from MOTU in a second. I'm sure all the  
> modular
> > makers are checking out their resources as we speak!
> >
> > - James
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, James, you're right. My mistake - no DC in to Volta; I
> > > misinterpreted a few things. Perhaps blinded by my enthusiasm, mea
> > > culpa.
> > >
> > > Volta's designer (Matthew Davidson, of Stretta fame) says that  
> he'd
> > > love to design a dedicated interface for this, but he has "to
> > > demonstrate a significant market need" [to Motu].
> > > Unfortunately, Motu isn't Doepfer -- they don't do user polls.
> > >
> > > _g
> > >
> > > > Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know and
> > > read
> > > > - there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including the
> > > MOTU
> > > > ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at  
> the
> > > same
> > > > time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to
> > allot
> > > > in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices.
> > There
> > > > has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to input DC
> > by
> > > > removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no  
> hands on
> > > > reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All the
> > > > reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling your
> > > > modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording  
> (even
> > > the
> > > > Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you  
> have
> > > > seen any this let us know.
> > > >
> > > > -James
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is
> > only a
> > > > one
> > > > >> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?)  
> interface
> > > > >> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual  
> performance -
> > > > to be
> > > > >> recorded.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> > > > > You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into
> > > Volta
> > > > > and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance
> > > host-
> > > > > sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or
> > > > whatever)
> > > > > in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your
> > ribboncontroller
> > > > and
> > > > > treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into  
> Volta
> > > it
> > > > > becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are
> > > endless.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta,  
> it
> > > gets
> > > > > really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular,  
> once
> > > > > you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC  
> capable,
> > > CV
> > > > >> recorder.
> > > > >>
> > > > > Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> > > > > Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to  
> your
> > > > > available memory/HD space.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 1/17/09 3:07 PM, "James Husted" <ersatzplanet@mac.com> wrote:

> You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> someone else jumps in and does it.

I will guess they will and most apps will add this to their seq/DAW in the
next 5 years. Sad as it's so simple and MIDI should've been gone/improved 20
years ago. And audio interfaces will have to accommodate this going forward!
I just can't believe it took this long. Such a simple concept, and many of
us kept asking for it.
And the biggie is, and this will happen now, when we get the CV/DC in box!
so CV signals can be manipulated and recorded and tweaked/effected in the
DAW.
Sadly, MIDI was too good, just good enough too survive, should've been gone
long ago and things would've been better sooner. Any other technology from
1982 you use? and it's been 15 years since I think I've heard someone praise
as opposed to curse MIDI.
Nothing against MIDI it was great, and amazingly great to last +10 years as
a protocol! super, but +25 years is stupid, and thus extremely limited by
today's standards.

If Matthew/Stretta can convince Motu that there is a market for an out/ 
in device, I'm sure Motu would develop it in a jiffy; they seem to be  
motivated enough and I reckon they have the necessary resources. If  
Motu wouldn't do it - and they're already halfway ahead of others,  
then I guess the other possible manufacturers have enough information  
to know the effort isn't worthwhile.

OTOH, my tech guru says it's not all that difficult to develop such a  
device.

Whatever gives, I feel the Volta is still a cool thing.


_guy

On 18 Jan 2009, at 00:25, David wrote:
> James
> I dare say that most of the modular makers would not have the resource
> to do the software design and digital electronics design so its
> unlikely to happen and Motu know this -thats why its coming to market
>
> David
> On 18/01/2009, at 12:07 PM, James Husted wrote:
>
> > You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> > someone else jumps in and does it. After all there sure has been a  
> lot
> > of people making audio interfaces forever and with a few tweaks you
> > have this idea in a box. Make it USB2 or FireWire and have it do the
> > ramping stuff in hardware and you have it. Basically MOTU is doing
> > somebody's market research for them. And if they make it do out  
> and in
> > and at a decent voltage level with a decent number of channels, they
> > will steal the market from MOTU in a second. I'm sure all the  
> modular
> > makers are checking out their resources as we speak!
> >
> > - James
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, James, you're right. My mistake - no DC in to Volta; I
> > > misinterpreted a few things. Perhaps blinded by my enthusiasm, mea
> > > culpa.
> > >
> > > Volta's designer (Matthew Davidson, of Stretta fame) says that  
> he'd
> > > love to design a dedicated interface for this, but he has "to
> > > demonstrate a significant market need" [to Motu].
> > > Unfortunately, Motu isn't Doepfer -- they don't do user polls.
> > >
> > > _g
> > >
> > > > Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know and
> > > read
> > > > - there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including the
> > > MOTU
> > > > ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at  
> the
> > > same
> > > > time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to
> > allot
> > > > in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices.
> > There
> > > > has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to input DC
> > by
> > > > removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no  
> hands on
> > > > reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All the
> > > > reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling your
> > > > modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording  
> (even
> > > the
> > > > Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you  
> have
> > > > seen any this let us know.
> > > >
> > > > -James
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is
> > only a
> > > > one
> > > > >> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?)  
> interface
> > > > >> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual  
> performance -
> > > > to be
> > > > >> recorded.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> > > > > You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back into
> > > Volta
> > > > > and process it any way you like. That way you can for instance
> > > host-
> > > > > sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or
> > > > whatever)
> > > > > in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your
> > ribboncontroller
> > > > and
> > > > > treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into  
> Volta
> > > it
> > > > > becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are
> > > endless.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta,  
> it
> > > gets
> > > > > really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular,  
> once
> > > > > you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC  
> capable,
> > > CV
> > > > >> recorder.
> > > > >>
> > > > > Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> > > > > Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to  
> your
> > > > > available memory/HD space.
> > >

That person was Matthew Davidson (Stretta), whom also designed several  
UI's for Motu (and others). It took him a while to convince Motu  
though... and they probably wouldn't have gone for it if most of their  
audio interfaces weren't DC-capable to start with.

I'm not sure if Matthew is an employee of Motu. I think not.

http://stretta.blogspot.com/


I agree to what David says here: Volta is a biggie.

_g

On 18 Jan 2009, at 00:34, David wrote:

> What has happened here is probably one Motu employee has thought
> outside the square and actually managed to get this to market with the
> right pitch etc to management. its greater than the some of its parts
> and as profound as the internet was for computers.
> Analog Synthesizer technology has taken a giant leap forward --I would
> say its the biggest advance ever
> David
>
> On 18/01/2009, at 12:25 PM, David wrote:
>
> > James
> > I dare say that most of the modular makers would not have the  
> resource
> > to do the software design and digital electronics design so its
> > unlikely to happen and Motu know this -thats why its coming to  
> market
> >
> > David
> > On 18/01/2009, at 12:07 PM, James Husted wrote:
> >
> > > You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> > > someone else jumps in and does it. After all there sure has been a
> > lot
> > > of people making audio interfaces forever and with a few tweaks  
> you
> > > have this idea in a box. Make it USB2 or FireWire and have it do  
> the
> > > ramping stuff in hardware and you have it. Basically MOTU is doing
> > > somebody's market research for them. And if they make it do out
> > and in
> > > and at a decent voltage level with a decent number of channels,  
> they
> > > will steal the market from MOTU in a second. I'm sure all the
> > modular
> > > makers are checking out their resources as we speak!
> > >
> > > - James
> > >
> > > On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, James, you're right. My mistake - no DC in to Volta; I
> > > > misinterpreted a few things. Perhaps blinded by my enthusiasm,  
> mea
> > > > culpa.
> > > >
> > > > Volta's designer (Matthew Davidson, of Stretta fame) says that
> > he'd
> > > > love to design a dedicated interface for this, but he has "to
> > > > demonstrate a significant market need" [to Motu].
> > > > Unfortunately, Motu isn't Doepfer -- they don't do user polls.
> > > >
> > > > _g
> > > >
> > > > > Volta may be able to record DC voltages but as far as I know  
> and
> > > > read
> > > > > - there are no standard sound cards or interfaces (including  
> the
> > > > MOTU
> > > > > ones) that will allow the input of DC. You can input audio at
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > > time you output DC from the plugin though. This is referred to
> > > allot
> > > > > in the reviews talking about syncing etc to external devices.
> > > There
> > > > > has been talk of modifying devices to maybe get them to  
> input DC
> > > by
> > > > > removing the AC coupling found on them but I have seen no
> > hands on
> > > > > reviews that have said the recording of DC is possible. All  
> the
> > > > > reviews and write ups I have seen only talk of controlling  
> your
> > > > > modular and none have mentioned the possibility of recording
> > (even
> > > > the
> > > > > Max hack that has been shown that pre-dated the Volta) If you
> > have
> > > > > seen any this let us know.
> > > > >
> > > > > -James
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Guy Drieghe D. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Perhaps I'm mistaken but from what I understand, VOLTA is
> > > only a
> > > > > one
> > > > > >> way system which, because of DC protection on all (?)
> > interface
> > > > > >> inputs, does not allow for CV control i.e. actual
> > performance -
> > > > > to be
> > > > > >> recorded.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. Volta is a 2-way system.
> > > > > > You can feed a signal from your modular (any signal) back  
> into
> > > > Volta
> > > > > > and process it any way you like. That way you can for  
> instance
> > > > host-
> > > > > > sync your CV's and signals with any effect (or soft-synth or
> > > > > whatever)
> > > > > > in your DAW. Or you can record the output of your
> > > ribboncontroller
> > > > > and
> > > > > > treat it as data. In fact, once you feed signals back into
> > Volta
> > > > it
> > > > > > becomes kindof a virtual instrument. The possibilities are
> > > > endless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, since you can feed your modular signals back into Volta,
> > it
> > > > gets
> > > > > > really powerful to send these signal backs to your modular,
> > once
> > > > > > you've ehm, done things to them (in Volta).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> ... so we're still waiting for somebody to design a DC
> > capable,
> > > > CV
> > > > > >> recorder.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > Why ? Volta can do this, no problem.
> > > > > > Your DAW becomes your CV recorder, and it's only limited to
> > your
> > > > > > available memory/HD space.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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I tell you if Clavia gets a mind to do this - GAME OVER! Man could you  
see the Nord G2 with CV outputs! They already do DSP and DSP to audio  
and MIDI etc. That would be a killer system!. They could make it in  
hardware and just hook it up to an editor like the do now.
-James


On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:27 AM, p. hendricks wrote:

> On 1/17/09 3:07 PM, "James Husted" <ersatzplanet@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> > someone else jumps in and does it.
>
> I will guess they will and most apps will add this to their seq/DAW  
> in the
> next 5 years. Sad as it's so simple and MIDI should've been gone/ 
> improved 20
> years ago. And audio interfaces will have to accommodate this going  
> forward!
> I just can't believe it took this long. Such a simple concept, and  
> many of
> us kept asking for it.
> And the biggie is, and this will happen now, when we get the CV/DC  
> in box!
> so CV signals can be manipulated and recorded and tweaked/effected  
> in the
> DAW.
> Sadly, MIDI was too good, just good enough too survive, should've  
> been gone
> long ago and things would've been better sooner. Any other  
> technology from
> 1982 you use? and it's been 15 years since I think I've heard  
> someone praise
> as opposed to curse MIDI.
> Nothing against MIDI it was great, and amazingly great to last +10  
> years as
> a protocol! super, but +25 years is stupid, and thus extremely  
> limited by
> today's standards.
>
> 



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>>You get LFOs and other CV sources with Volta that in would normally
cost more than the price of a MOTU Ultralite MkIII sound interface.


The more i read about the Volta, the less i understand the hype... I allready asked in the AH list, and noone really said anyhting.

Say i have a midi cv unit with decent dac bit depths, itll convert whatver i spit into it to voltages.  I dont use reaktor, but i 
was under the impression that had plenty of midi modules that could generate (via the midi cv unit) whatever waveform youd like.

In short, can someone (anyone?) explain to me what the Volta can do that i cant do equally well with existing products???  I feel 
that im missing somting, but i really cant work it out!

Thanks, Julian

"I tell you if Clavia gets a mind to do this - GAME OVER!"
hehehe, so true.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:20 PM, James Husted <ersatzplanet@mac.com> wrote:

>   I tell you if Clavia gets a mind to do this - GAME OVER! Man could you
> see the Nord G2 with CV outputs! They already do DSP and DSP to audio
> and MIDI etc. That would be a killer system!. They could make it in
> hardware and just hook it up to an editor like the do now.
> -James
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:27 AM, p. hendricks wrote:
>
> > On 1/17/09 3:07 PM, "James Husted" <ersatzplanet@mac.com<ersatzplanet%40mac.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > You know with the buzz around the Volta, it won't be long before
> > > someone else jumps in and does it.
> >
> > I will guess they will and most apps will add this to their seq/DAW
> > in the
> > next 5 years. Sad as it's so simple and MIDI should've been gone/
> > improved 20
> > years ago. And audio interfaces will have to accommodate this going
> > forward!
> > I just can't believe it took this long. Such a simple concept, and
> > many of
> > us kept asking for it.
> > And the biggie is, and this will happen now, when we get the CV/DC
> > in box!
> > so CV signals can be manipulated and recorded and tweaked/effected
> > in the
> > DAW.
> > Sadly, MIDI was too good, just good enough too survive, should've
> > been gone
> > long ago and things would've been better sooner. Any other
> > technology from
> > 1982 you use? and it's been 15 years since I think I've heard
> > someone praise
> > as opposed to curse MIDI.
> > Nothing against MIDI it was great, and amazingly great to last +10
> > years as
> > a protocol! super, but +25 years is stupid, and thus extremely
> > limited by
> > today's standards.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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I don't understand any usefullness of this, can't we just send 
parameters to modular through MIDI and MIDI-CV converter? There must be 
open-source programs for this. Why pay 150 euros for a mac-only (mac 
makes me sad panda) program?

Korhan Erel wrote:
>
> This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
> audio interfaces:
>
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785 
> <http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785>
>
>  



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are Clavia even involved with modular synth manufacture at these days? I thought it was all over...

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mikhail Novikov 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] MOTU Volta


  I don't understand any usefullness of this, can't we just send 
  parameters to modular through MIDI and MIDI-CV converter? There must be 
  open-source programs for this. Why pay 150 euros for a mac-only (mac 
  makes me sad panda) program?

  Korhan Erel wrote:
  >
  > This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
  > audio interfaces:
  >
  > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785 
  > <http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785>
  >
  > 

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You get LFOs and other CV sources with Volta that in would normally  
cost more than the price of a MOTU Ultralite MkIII sound interface.  
And they will probably release a PC version too, if they see demand  
for it.

On 18.Oca.2009, at 21:00, Mikhail Novikov wrote:

> I don't understand any usefullness of this, can't we just send
> parameters to modular through MIDI and MIDI-CV converter? There must  
> be
> open-source programs for this. Why pay 150 euros for a mac-only (mac
> makes me sad panda) program?
>
> Korhan Erel wrote:
> >
> > This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
> > audio interfaces:
> >
> > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785
> > <http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785 
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Well, for one thing you get finer control than midis 127 steps allow.
For another, the control data is sample-accurate locked with your daw.
Maybe these things aren't important to you, but they're not
insignificant advantages.

-Brandon

On 1/18/09, Julian <julian@port23.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>You get LFOs and other CV sources with Volta that in would normally
> cost more than the price of a MOTU Ultralite MkIII sound interface.
>
>
> The more i read about the Volta, the less i understand the hype... I
> allready asked in the AH list, and noone really said anyhting.
>
> Say i have a midi cv unit with decent dac bit depths, itll convert whatver i
> spit into it to voltages.  I dont use reaktor, but i
> was under the impression that had plenty of midi modules that could generate
> (via the midi cv unit) whatever waveform youd like.
>
> In short, can someone (anyone?) explain to me what the Volta can do that i
> cant do equally well with existing products???  I feel
> that im missing somting, but i really cant work it out!
>
> Thanks, Julian
>
>

http://vimeo.com/2850728
Stretta posted this first look on vimeo..
Honestly the VCO autotune/calibration is by far the most important
breakthrough in my book.
The high resolution output is very nice and something I've heard Stretta
explain as a pet peeve about MIDI to CV. I haven't come across those issues
with my Kenton Pro-2000 but I don't create fully automated modular tunes. I
love to get my hands on the knobs and tweak away. I'm a PC user but have
been planning on moving to OSX system by the end of the year...This app
helps seal that deal.

Later,
Kylee


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Unfortunately you are correct. The Modular G2 has been discontinued. A  
real shame. I have one and it is a very cool machine. There was a  
thread on electro-music.com a while back where posters were talking  
about the possibility of hacking the G2 to have non-AC coupled  
outputs. It would be very cool if the G2 could be hacked to output DC  
along with it's sound. Probably will never happen though. Clavia  
seemed to be heading more towards the Organ-Piano-Standard Synth  
market and further away from the modular scene. They have also shown a  
penchant to not expand or update their older products very much either  
(in fact they have just stopped developing for them cold - the first  
Nord Modular and the G2 are prime examples).  There are plenty of  
people willing to pay for a software update to the G2 but Clavia has  
shown no interest in do any.
They would be perfect people for this sort of project since they have  
developed in the hardware/DSP/Modular Synth arena for many years.
-James


On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Richard Scott wrote:

> are Clavia even involved with modular synth manufacture at these  
> days? I thought it was all over...
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikhail Novikov
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] MOTU Volta
>
> I don't understand any usefullness of this, can't we just send
> parameters to modular through MIDI and MIDI-CV converter? There must  
> be
> open-source programs for this. Why pay 150 euros for a mac-only (mac
> makes me sad panda) program?
>
> Korhan Erel wrote:
> >
> > This could change things for modular synth freaks with MOTU and RME
> > audio interfaces:
> >
> > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785
> > <http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/16/analog-meet-digital-motu-volta-connects-the-mac-to-cv-synths-effects-graphically/#more-4785 
> >
> >
> >
>
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My personal hype is because:

I have a small Doepfer system that consists of a Quad LFO, a WASP  
Filter, a Max/Min module, A Waveform Processor (a-116), a dual VCA and  
an external input/env follower. This, you may have already guessed, is  
used for mainly sound processing, but also for sound generation. I  
also happen to have a Mac and a MOTU Traveler audio interface. This  
means:

- Modular analog systems are expensive. When I think about expanding  
my system, even only with very reasonably priced Doepfer modules, I  
have to invest 500-600 Euros minimum.  The Volta will allow me to  
spare some money by focusing only on sound processing and generation  
modules (such as oscillators, PLL, BBD, filters) instead of CV  
generation/modulation modules
- By having less modules, I will keep my modular system small and  
portable
- I will be able to process sounds from the computer with the Doepfer  
modules, having control over the system from the computer, which I use  
as an instrument on stage controlled by Wiimotes and other  
controllers. The Doepfer will be a part of this setup now. I will  
achieve a very tight integration of analog and digital gear.

These are all personal benefits of course. If someone doesn't have a  
DC-coupled audio interface and/or a Mac, the Volta will mean nothing  
to them. Also for those people who love analog modulars for their  
hands-on nature, doing everything by patching cables and twisting  
knobs, the Volta may be something close to a blasphemy. I must admit I  
also love the hands-on nature of analog gear and will definitely  
continue to use the Doepfer without a computer in other setups.

Korhan

On 18.Oca.2009, at 21:36, Julian wrote:

>
>
> >>You get LFOs and other CV sources with Volta that in would normally
> cost more than the price of a MOTU Ultralite MkIII sound interface.
>
> The more i read about the Volta, the less i understand the hype... I  
> allready asked in the AH list, and noone really said anyhting.
>
> Say i have a midi cv unit with decent dac bit depths, itll convert  
> whatver i spit into it to voltages. I dont use reaktor, but i
> was under the impression that had plenty of midi modules that could  
> generate (via the midi cv unit) whatever waveform youd like.
>
> In short, can someone (anyone?) explain to me what the Volta can do  
> that i cant do equally well with existing products??? I feel
> that im missing somting, but i really cant work it out!
>
> Thanks, Julian
>
>
> 



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I haven't read any of the articles about volta but it will work with
other audio interfaces as long as they are DC coupled. That's what one
of the guys from motu told me. I don't know how to find out if my
interface is DC coupled though.

wes

Some quick googling about gave me this:


- all of the Motu interfaces, obviously, excluding the ones with XLR  
connectors.
   The Ultralite MkIII seems to be a favourite; also used by Matthew,  
Volta's designer.
- Universal Audio 2192 Master Audio Interface (XLR outputs though)
- RME FireFace 400
- RME FireFace 800
- RME ADI-8 DS
- Metric Halo ULN-2 (not 100% sure about this one)

All of the high-end interfaces (Lynx, Prism, Apogee, etc) don't  
mention anything about DC-coupling, so I guess it's safe to assume  
they are not. Would be killer though to use a $4000 Prism as an LFO ;-)

Safest bets (for now) are Motu's & RME's.
I reckon there are more out there, but apparently this information is  
not easy to come by (I'm not the first one to search for it). Perhaps  
some interface manufacturers will come out of the closet <cough> once  
they see Volta taking off at warp speed ?

Taking out the DC-blocking capacitors (at the ouputs) of any non-DC- 
coupled interface should do the trick as well. And, needless to say,  
void your warranty.


_g

On 19 Jan 2009, at 05:49, parkavenuemusic wrote:

> I haven't read any of the articles about volta but it will work  
> with
other audio interfaces as long as they are DC coupled.  
> That's what one
of the guys from motu told me. I don't know  
> how to find out if my
interface is DC coupled  
> though.

wes
>

according to rme none of their products offer dc coupling although on
their products infosheets they say they are dc coupled, weird.

http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4551


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Guy Drieghe D." <guy@...> wrote:

>
> Some quick googling about gave me this:
> 
> 
> - all of the Motu interfaces, obviously, excluding the ones with XLR  
> connectors.
>    The Ultralite MkIII seems to be a favourite; also used by Matthew,  
> Volta's designer.
> - Universal Audio 2192 Master Audio Interface (XLR outputs though)
> - RME FireFace 400
> - RME FireFace 800
> - RME ADI-8 DS
> - Metric Halo ULN-2 (not 100% sure about this one)
> 
> All of the high-end interfaces (Lynx, Prism, Apogee, etc) don't  
> mention anything about DC-coupling, so I guess it's safe to assume  
> they are not. Would be killer though to use a $4000 Prism as an LFO ;-)
> 
> Safest bets (for now) are Motu's & RME's.
> I reckon there are more out there, but apparently this information is  
> not easy to come by (I'm not the first one to search for it). Perhaps  
> some interface manufacturers will come out of the closet <cough> once  
> they see Volta taking off at warp speed ?
> 
> Taking out the DC-blocking capacitors (at the ouputs) of any non-DC- 
> coupled interface should do the trick as well. And, needless to say,  
> void your warranty.
> 
> 
> _g
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 Jan 2009, at 05:49, parkavenuemusic wrote:
> 
> > I haven't read any of the articles about volta but it will work  
> > with&#13;&#10;other audio interfaces as long as they are DC coupled.  
> > That's what one&#13;&#10;of the guys from motu told me. I don't know  
> > how to find out if my&#13;&#10;interface is DC coupled  
> > though.&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;wes
> >
>

On 18 Jan 2009, at 19:36, Julian wrote:

>
>
> >>You get LFOs and other CV sources with Volta that in would normally
> cost more than the price of a MOTU Ultralite MkIII sound interface.
>
> The more i read about the Volta, the less i understand the hype...  
> I allready asked in the AH list, and noone really said anyhting.
>
> Say i have a midi cv unit with decent dac bit depths, itll convert  
> whatver i spit into it to voltages.

It will convert it, and it'll have a slew which will smooth it to  
some degree.... but it's just can't get smooth enough as far as I'm  
concerned and midi timing and reliability still just plains sucks  
regardless.

You can't generate a decent fast envelope via midi ramps for example,  
this Volta system would allow me to be triggering countless highly  
accurate fast envelopes. That gives me the horn ;) I do a lot of  
automation....

S