Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 11/12/06 9:00:14 PM, tyler@... writes:


> One thing I would like to say though, not for me. The implication that
> a certain luminary was absent at a recent trade show was somehow sad,
> or indicative of anything at all, is irresponsible and badly intended.
> I don't think he was at the same show the previous year either, though
> he was at others, including Photokina I believe. They've always
> skipped the occasional trade fiasco, many smaller companies do. To my
> knowledge all is well, and compelling and evolving as usual, but it's
> none of my business.
> 
Not badly intended, to be sure. No one I would rather have a drink with than 
Jon, and I really did miss those chocolate covered expresso beans! Jon and I 
have been arguing over how to do things, and enjoying the argument, for longer 
than I can remember. Jon has been a great reseller of ColorVision products, 
and has handed out many copies of Matering Digital Printing with his products 
(which has my name on the cover, though Harald gets most of the credit) so I am 
interested in his success on many levels; though first and formost as THE 
posterchild for digital black and white. 

I did see him at Photokina, but only when he stopped at the ColorVision booth 
and looked at my B&W prints (always an honor!). I never found a Piezography 
booth, but I didn't have a lot of time to look. Just walking a show sometimes, 
instead of working it, is worthwhile; I don't really know which he was doing.

The other point here is that digital black and white has reached a point 
where it was not going to go unseen and unrepresented with any single company 
skipping a show. It was, quite noticably, everywhere. Thats a significant 
improvement over years past where Jon offered the only serious Digital B&W at the 
entire show, at most any show.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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So what is the state of 16 bit black and white output? Is ANYONE doing
it successfully, or are the printer mechanisms just not capable of  it
yet. Canon is saying they are doing it aren't they? 

John

In a message dated 11/12/06 9:34:50 PM, dlruckus@... writes:


> Just be your usual decent self Tyler. Definitely don't slither though.
> That would be completely out of character.
> 
Yes, Tyler has always been the role model for moderate response... more than 
once he has waited patiently, and finally responded with a decent and 
reasonable note in my defense when things were out of hand. This makes it a bit 
disturbing to be on the other side of an issue at the moment; frankly I'm much more 
comfortable arguing with Jon, on most any issue, than with Tyler!

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 11/12/06 9:00:14 PM, tyler@... writes:
> 
> 
> > One thing I would like to say though, not for me. The implication that
> > a certain luminary was absent at a recent trade show was somehow sad,
> > or indicative of anything at all, is irresponsible and badly intended.
> > I don't think he was at the same show the previous year either, though
> > he was at others, including Photokina I believe. They've always
> > skipped the occasional trade fiasco, many smaller companies do. To my
> > knowledge all is well, and compelling and evolving as usual, but it's
> > none of my business.
> > 
> Not badly intended, to be sure...

My apologies for suggesting that.. been a trying several weeks, and
have to run yet again.
My apologies to those I have not ansered here, what a great community.
Tyler

In a message dated 11/13/2006 10:15:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
CDTobie@... writes:

> One  thing I would like to say though, not for me. The implication that
> a  certain luminary was absent at a recent trade show was somehow sad,
> or  indicative of anything at all, is irresponsible and badly intended.
> I  don't think he was at the same show the previous year either, though
>  he was at others, including Photokina I believe. They've always
>  skipped the occasional trade fiasco, many smaller companies do. To my
>  knowledge all is well, and compelling and evolving as usual, but it's
>  none of my business.   <Tyler Boley>
> 
Not badly  intended, to be sure. No one I would rather have a drink with than 
Jon,  and I really did miss those chocolate covered expresso beans! Jon and I 
 
have been arguing over how to do things, and enjoying the argument, for  
longer 
than I can remember. Jon has been a great reseller of ColorVision  products, 
and has handed out many copies of Matering Digital Printing with  his 
products 
(which has my name on the cover, though Harald gets most of  the credit) so I 
am 
interested in his success on many levels; though first  and formost as THE 
posterchild for digital black and white.  



Jon was there. We had a long talk about our mutually enjoyable times in  
Spain and Germany. I suspect that he was just looking at what the other booths  
were exhibiting. He's incognito now... no pony tail and clean shaven, but he was 
 clearly enjoying himself at the show. I asked him about the new split tone 
K7,  and decided I'll try it. The NK 7 is a great product.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 11/12/06 9:34:50 PM, dlruckus@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Just be your usual decent self Tyler. Definitely don't slither though.
> > That would be completely out of character.
> > 
> Yes, Tyler has always been the role model for moderate response...
more than 
> once he has waited patiently, and finally responded with a decent and 
> reasonable note in my defense when things were out of hand. This
makes it a bit 
> disturbing to be on the other side of an issue at the moment;
frankly I'm much more 
> comfortable arguing with Jon, on most any issue, than with Tyler!


I have a feeling it's all going to be just fine at the end of the day <G>.
Tyler