Digital BW, The Print

Paul said in another thread some time ago that the Permajet Monochrome 
Pro ink set are very similar to UT2.  I have been trying the Permajet 
and find that the U&2 curves really don't work well.  

So the question is How similar are these two?  Should the UT2 curves 
work?

Keith

What printer?  The version for the 2100 is like the UT7.  This may be what's
happening.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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keith_r_smith_99
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Permajet MonochromePro and UT2

 

Paul said in another thread some time ago that the Permajet Monochrome 
Pro ink set are very similar to UT2. I have been trying the Permajet 
and find that the U&2 curves really don't work well. 

So the question is How similar are these two? Should the UT2 curves 
work?

Keith

 



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Sorry I should ave said.  It;s a 1290.  i managed to get a working 
one from 2 free broken ones, so I am trying it out.  At the moment I 
am very unimpressed with the results from Monochromepro.  
The prints using PS curves are poor, The UT2 curves don't seem right 
and the curves from northlight-images don't seem right either.

In fact none of them are as good as the print I get from my 2100 
(using Lyson Fotonic dye (yes I know..) inks and a curve I managed to 
liniarize using a scanner.

I need to decide whether to keep with the 1290 - maybe using real UT2 
inks, or sell it and get a 2400 for colour and switch the 2100 to UT7 
or something.  or maybe even just use the 2400 with QTR fro B&W.  

Will the 1290 ever be better than the 2400/OTR combo?

Thanks

Keith



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> What printer?  The version for the 2100 is like the UT7.  This may 
be what's
> happening.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> keith_r_smith_99
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:04 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Permajet MonochromePro and UT2
> 
>  
> 
> Paul said in another thread some time ago that the Permajet 
Monochrome 
> Pro ink set are very similar to UT2. I have been trying the 
Permajet 

> and find that the U&2 curves really don't work well. 
> 
> So the question is How similar are these two? Should the UT2 curves 
> work?
> 
> Keith
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Keith,

You have a lot of unknowns so it's pretty hard to tell what's wrong.
I'm not familiar with the Permajet inks but QTR does have profiles for UT2
inks on the 1280/1290.   
First, I'd make sure your printer is printing all the inks -- nozzle checks.
Then try out QTR with some of the profiles.

If it's still not to your liking you need to be more explicit about the problem.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "keith_r_smith_99" 
<keith@...> wrote:

>
> Sorry I should ave said.  It;s a 1290.  i managed to get a working 
> one from 2 free broken ones, so I am trying it out.  At the moment I 
> am very unimpressed with the results from Monochromepro.  
> The prints using PS curves are poor, The UT2 curves don't seem right 
> and the curves from northlight-images don't seem right either.
> 
> In fact none of them are as good as the print I get from my 2100 
> (using Lyson Fotonic dye (yes I know..) inks and a curve I managed to 
> liniarize using a scanner.
> 
> I need to decide whether to keep with the 1290 - maybe using real UT2 
> inks, or sell it and get a 2400 for colour and switch the 2100 to UT7 
> or something.  or maybe even just use the 2400 with QTR fro B&W.  
> 
> Will the 1290 ever be better than the 2400/OTR combo?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > What printer?  The version for the 2100 is like the UT7.  This may 
> be what's
> > happening.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > keith_r_smith_99
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:04 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Permajet MonochromePro and UT2
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Paul said in another thread some time ago that the Permajet 
> Monochrome 
> > Pro ink set are very similar to UT2. I have been trying the 
> Permajet 
> > and find that the U&2 curves really don't work well. 
> > 
> > So the question is How similar are these two? Should the UT2 curves 
> > work?
> > 
> > Keith
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>... It's a 1290.

OK, then it's similar to UT2.

...

> Will the 1290 ever be better than the 2400/OTR combo?

The main reason to use a 1290 over a 2400 is cost.  The 2400 is an
outstanding printer.  I think it puts too much color in the "Advanced B&W"
mode printing.  That's why I have one set up with MIS LK, LLK and even LLK
in the Y spot.  (MIS LK and LLK are warmer than Epson K3 and give this setup
a better range.) Then it uses the minimum amount of color and makes prints
that are about as good as it gets.

A 1290 that is working correctly can visually match the 2400, but it would
be slower. 

Re-check all the settings by looking at my UT2 write-up at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm

Also, print see the test files I have at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Test-files.htm  These will tell you whether
the inks are loaded correctly.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks Paul and Roy for you input.  I have given up on the 1290 - I could not get it to print consistently using either the curves or QTR - nozzel clogs etc.

I will probably get a 2400 soon and use that for B&W until I convert the 2100 to UT7.

keith

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