Digital BW, The Print

Hi to everybody.

I just received my R220 but I'm not able to find the "black only"
option in the driver dialog!
I have only a "grayscale" option that seems to use the color inks to
produce grayscale prints.
Does anyone can help me? Can you tell me the correct driver version? I
use the 5.5 that was in the box.

Thanks for your help and best regards.


Ivan Ferrario

Hi Ivan

I had this exact problem - you can fix it by downloading the latest
drivers from the Epson website.  I don't know whether your location
makes a difference to the drivers which ship with your printer.  I'm
in the UK.

I'm not at home right now so don't have access to the version numbers.
 (I posted about this previously so if you persevere with the search
tool you might be able to find some more details.)

Good luck

Chris



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "foralltrash"
<foralltrash@...> wrote:

>
> Hi to everybody.
> 
> I just received my R220 but I'm not able to find the "black only"
> option in the driver dialog!
> I have only a "grayscale" option that seems to use the color inks to
> produce grayscale prints.
> Does anyone can help me? Can you tell me the correct driver version? I
> use the 5.5 that was in the box.
> 
> Thanks for your help and best regards.
> 
> 
> Ivan Ferrario
>

Ivan

The details of the driver which works for me are in this post.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/74854

Chris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Ellis"
<christian.ellis@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Ivan
> 
> I had this exact problem - you can fix it by downloading the latest
> drivers from the Epson website.  I don't know whether your location
> makes a difference to the drivers which ship with your printer.  I'm
> in the UK.
> 
> I'm not at home right now so don't have access to the version numbers.
>  (I posted about this previously so if you persevere with the search
> tool you might be able to find some more details.)
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "foralltrash"
> <foralltrash@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi to everybody.
> > 
> > I just received my R220 but I'm not able to find the "black only"
> > option in the driver dialog!
> > I have only a "grayscale" option that seems to use the color inks to
> > produce grayscale prints.
> > Does anyone can help me? Can you tell me the correct driver version? I
> > use the 5.5 that was in the box.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help and best regards.
> > 
> > 
> > Ivan Ferrario
> >
>

Chris
I use MIS neutral set for r220 and I noticed that when I use BO
printing I get brownish print; using all inks (without ICC) I get a
neutral print.

Is it your experience too?

Thanks
Luca

I had the same experience with BO but I'm not sure it's a problem.  
I think it's because the Eboni ink is warm to begin (notice the 
product id's are the same for Eboni in both the warm and neutral ink 
sets) with and the other neutral inks (when printing continuous 
tone) are used to balance that out when using the neutral ink set.  

Perhaps someone who knows might be more help though ;) 

Brian



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lscaglio2002" 
<lscaglio2002@...> wrote:

>
> Chris
> I use MIS neutral set for r220 and I noticed that when I use BO
> printing I get brownish print; using all inks (without ICC) I get a
> neutral print.
> 
> Is it your experience too?
> 
> Thanks
> Luca
>

Hello Brian,

>I had the same experience with BO but I'm not sure it's a problem.  
>I think it's because the Eboni ink is warm to begin (notice the 
>product id's are the same for Eboni in both the warm and neutral ink 
>sets) with and the other neutral inks (when printing continuous 
>tone) are used to balance that out when using the neutral ink set.  
>Perhaps someone who knows might be more help though ;) 

That's exactly right.  Eboni is a pure carbon ink and so is a bit on
the warm side by itself (although it's a bit cooler than the Epson
black).  The R2 warm set is 3 shades of pure carbon inks.  The Neutral
set has those three plus two more that have some cool pigment added as
toners.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi Luca

I just picked this up - I think Clayton's response says it all much
better than I could, and more quickly!

Chris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lscaglio2002"
<lscaglio2002@...> wrote:

>
> Chris
> I use MIS neutral set for r220 and I noticed that when I use BO
> printing I get brownish print; using all inks (without ICC) I get a
> neutral print.
> 
> Is it your experience too?
> 
> Thanks
> Luca
>

Thanks everyone for the prompt reply

Luca
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
> 
> >I had the same experience with BO but I'm not sure it's a 
problem.  
> >I think it's because the Eboni ink is warm to begin (notice the 
> >product id's are the same for Eboni in both the warm and neutral 
ink 
> >sets) with and the other neutral inks (when printing continuous 
> >tone) are used to balance that out when using the neutral ink 
set.  
> >Perhaps someone who knows might be more help though ;) 
> 
> That's exactly right.  Eboni is a pure carbon ink and so is a bit on
> the warm side by itself (although it's a bit cooler than the Epson
> black).  The R2 warm set is 3 shades of pure carbon inks.  The 
Neutral
> set has those three plus two more that have some cool pigment added 
as

> toners.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

>That's exactly right.  Eboni is a pure carbon ink and so is a bit on
>the warm side by itself (although it's a bit cooler than the Epson
>black).  The R2 warm set is 3 shades of pure carbon inks.  The Neutral
>set has those three plus two more that have some cool pigment added as
>toners.

Re BO printing, I'd like to add that while Eboni is slightly warm, one
of it's great qualities is that it changes it's tone from warm to cold
black depending on the paper.  So it's actual color really depends on
what paper it's on.  On Kayenta for example, it produces a neutral
cold black.  Since Kayenta is a bright white paper, this combination
makes the most pure and truly black and white carbon ink print I've
seen.  At the other end, on Wm Turner it produces about as warm as you
can get without being sepia colored.  So it has a wide range of tones.
 Other blacks respond to the paper too, but none with such pretty
tones as Eboni.  This is why it's the most popular ink for BO printing.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hey Clayton - thanks for the info!

Where on the cool/warm scale is the EEM paper?  (embarassingly, 
that's all I've tried so far)  In comparison to the neutral 
continuous tone print the BO option is significantly warmer but it 
would be interesting to know where it falls in comparison to BO 
prints on the two papers you mentioned below (Kayenta and WM. 
Turner).

I showed a couple prints to one of my friends (one BO and the other 
continuous tone) - and without giving any hints or anything, the 
first thing he commented on was the intensity of the blacks in the 
BO print!  Anyway, I thought that was interesting.    

Thanks, 
Brian

http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
  



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@...> wrote:
> 
> Re BO printing, I'd like to add that while Eboni is slightly warm, 
one
> of it's great qualities is that it changes it's tone from warm to 
cold
> black depending on the paper.  So it's actual color really depends 
on
> what paper it's on.  On Kayenta for example, it produces a neutral
> cold black.  Since Kayenta is a bright white paper, this 
combination
> makes the most pure and truly black and white carbon ink print I've
> seen.  At the other end, on Wm Turner it produces about as warm as 
you
> can get without being sepia colored.  So it has a wide range of 
tones.
>  Other blacks respond to the paper too, but none with such pretty
> tones as Eboni.  This is why it's the most popular ink for BO 
printing.

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

Hello Brian,

>Where on the cool/warm scale is the EEM paper? 

Fresh EEM has a paper color of W2.5 (in the grading scale used in the
"Paper Chase" article).  The ink color is B3.5, and dmax is D4.5


>I showed a couple prints to one of my friends (one BO and the other 
>continuous tone) - and without giving any hints or anything, the 
>first thing he commented on was the intensity of the blacks in the 
>BO print!  Anyway, I thought that was interesting.    

Yep.  It's a very common response.  Too bad we can't get that kind of
intensity and luminance with full ink prints.  The 2400/K3 prints are
the closest to it that I've seen from any full ink system.  I'm
printing a portfolio of California and Florida landscapes right now
that's all K3 and they look great.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

>>Re BO printing, I'd like to add that while Eboni is slightly warm, 
>>one of it's great qualities is that it changes it's tone from warm 
>>to cold black depending on the paper.  So it's actual color really 
>>depends on what paper it's on.  On Kayenta for example, it produces
>>a neutral cold black.  Since Kayenta is a bright white paper, this 
>>combination makes the most pure and truly black and white carbon 
>>ink print I've seen.  At the other end, on Wm Turner it produces 
>>about as warm as you can get without being sepia colored.  So it 
>>has a wide range of tones.  Other blacks respond to the paper too,
>>but none with such pretty tones as Eboni.  This is why it's the 
>>most popular ink for BO printing.