Digital BW, The Print

A quickie question re: BO printing.

Is the only difference in performance between the 2200 and 220 for BO
the max size of prints one can do? Are the outputs for 8x10s equivalent?

Best to all,
Ginny

Ginny

The drivers on my 220 don't allow BO printing.  There is a monochrome
option, but in my case this turns things blue, so I guess it uses at
least one colour ink.

I'd be very interested to know if anyone has a different experience,
and if so, where I could get my hands on the same drivers.

Thanks

Chris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ginnylady33"
<ginnylady33@...> wrote:

>
>  A quickie question re: BO printing.
> 
> Is the only difference in performance between the 2200 and 220 for BO
> the max size of prints one can do? Are the outputs for 8x10s equivalent?
> 
> Best to all,
> Ginny
>

Hello Ginny,

>Is the only difference in performance between the 2200 and 220 for BO
>the max size of prints one can do? Are the outputs for 8x10s 
>equivalent?

Yes and no (don't you love those answers <g>).  Yes in that to the
unaided eye it is very difficult to tell them apart.  No in that with
a loupe the 2200 print will show less fine dither banding.  Printing
with High speed off makes a big difference with my 200.  My 2200 did
better with High Speed on.

I'm confused by Chris's statement that his 220 doesn't allow BO.  I
have a 200, which does, and I seem to recall that 220 owners have
previously said they can do BO, although I can't say for certain. 
Ginny, can you verify that your 220 can?

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

At 4:16 PM +0000 2/28/06, Clayton Jones wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>I'm confused by Chris's statement that his 220 doesn't allow BO.  I
>have a 200, which does, and I seem to recall that 220 owners have
>previously said they can do BO, although I can't say for certain.
>Ginny, can you verify that your 220 can?
>
>[snip]

Maybe Chris has had Photo RPM selected:

At 5:16 PM -0800 12/19/05, Paul Roark wrote:
>
>>  ...Does the 220 still have the Black Only option? 
>
>Yes, but not if "Photo RPM" is selected.
>
>Paul
>www.PaulRoark.com

--
Sam

That is strange. On my 220 there is a "black ink only" check box on
the Advanced settings page in all modes except "Photo RPM", in which
case the option is replaced with "Super Micro weave". That's a hair
replacement technique, I believe?

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam McCandless
<samcc@...> wrote:

>
> At 4:16 PM +0000 2/28/06, Clayton Jones wrote:
> >I'm confused by Chris's statement that his 220 doesn't allow BO.  I
> >have a 200, which does, and I seem to recall that 220 owners have
> >previously said they can do BO, although I can't say for certain.
> >Ginny, can you verify that your 220 can?
> >
> >[snip]
> 
> Maybe Chris has had Photo RPM selected:
> 
> At 5:16 PM -0800 12/19/05, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> >>  ...Does the 220 still have the Black Only option? 
> >
> >Yes, but not if "Photo RPM" is selected.
> >
> >Paul
> >www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> --
> Sam
>

Or maybe he is using the limited driver that comes with windows?

Hi guys

The mystery is solved.  Back at home last night I double checked the
print dialogue box - it actually had a checkbox for 'grayscale' (not
'monochrome' as per my initial post).

To be specific, this was the Windows XP driver originally supplied
with a UK printer (if it makes a difference).  I didn't note the
driver version - I can find out if anyone needs to know.

I then downloaded the latest XP driver from the Epson website
(v5.5bAs) and installed this.  Hey presto, the 'grayscale' checkbox
has been replaced with a 'black ink only' checkbox.  And the blue cast
has gone from the output.

Thanks for prompting me to try this.  

Chris

Hello Chris,

>The mystery is solved...
>...presto, the 'grayscale' checkbox has been replaced with a 
>'black ink only' checkbox.  And the blue cast has gone from the 
>output.

That's good news.  Thanks for the update.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

I'm glad that's working for you, Chris. And I hope referring to you as
"he" wasn't a big faux pas on my part.

At the other extreme: my gloss black and warm yellow carts have
arrived, so my little R220 now has 14 cartridges in use!?!?

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Ellis"
<christian.ellis@...> wrote:

>
> Hi guys
> 
> The mystery is solved.  Back at home last night I double checked the
> print dialogue box - it actually had a checkbox for 'grayscale' (not
> 'monochrome' as per my initial post).
> 
> To be specific, this was the Windows XP driver originally supplied
> with a UK printer (if it makes a difference).  I didn't note the
> driver version - I can find out if anyone needs to know.
> 
> I then downloaded the latest XP driver from the Epson website
> (v5.5bAs) and installed this.  Hey presto, the 'grayscale' checkbox
> has been replaced with a 'black ink only' checkbox.  And the blue cast
> has gone from the output.
> 
> Thanks for prompting me to try this.  
> 
> Chris
>

Hi Bob

No, you were right first time - I am a he.

I just checked out my printer set up and it's the same as yours, with
super micro weave etc.  'Best photo' seems to give pretty good
results, so I haven't tried the 'photo rpm' setting, even for colour.
 I guess when my R2 inks arrive I could give this a try, and see what
'super-micro weave' output looks like.

(Actually I preferred it when you chose a numeric dpi setting - seemed
a little clearer.)

Cheers

Chris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "l33ry"
<l33ry@...> wrote:

>
> I'm glad that's working for you, Chris. And I hope referring to you as
> "he" wasn't a big faux pas on my part.
> 
> At the other extreme: my gloss black and warm yellow carts have
> arrived, so my little R220 now has 14 cartridges in use!?!?
> 
> Bob
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Ellis"
> <christian.ellis@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys
> > 
> > The mystery is solved.  Back at home last night I double checked the
> > print dialogue box - it actually had a checkbox for 'grayscale' (not
> > 'monochrome' as per my initial post).
> > 
> > To be specific, this was the Windows XP driver originally supplied
> > with a UK printer (if it makes a difference).  I didn't note the
> > driver version - I can find out if anyone needs to know.
> > 
> > I then downloaded the latest XP driver from the Epson website
> > (v5.5bAs) and installed this.  Hey presto, the 'grayscale' checkbox
> > has been replaced with a 'black ink only' checkbox.  And the blue cast
> > has gone from the output.
> > 
> > Thanks for prompting me to try this.  
> > 
> > Chris
> >
>

> That is strange. On my 220 there is a "black ink only" check box on
> the Advanced settings page in all modes except "Photo RPM", in which
> case the option is replaced with "Super Micro weave". That's a hair
> replacement technique, I believe?

Maybe it's intended to replace all the hair I pulled out trying to
unclog my 1290.

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reassurance. I tried SMW only once and decided it
wasn't worth the time penalty. Today I can only guess at which of the
set of comparison prints were printed with SWM on. This was with OEM
inks. But if you're the type who is willing to experiment with third
party monochrome pigment inks, you'll probably need to try it yourself
anyway, so all I can do is warn you to have something else to do for a
while.

I hope you have as much fun with the R220 and R2 inks as I am having.

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Ellis"
<christian.ellis@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Bob
> 
> No, you were right first time - I am a he.
> 
> I just checked out my printer set up and it's the same as yours, with
> super micro weave etc.  'Best photo' seems to give pretty good
> results, so I haven't tried the 'photo rpm' setting, even for colour.
>  I guess when my R2 inks arrive I could give this a try, and see what
> 'super-micro weave' output looks like.