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The best black in with UC?

The best black in with UC?

2006-01-17 by tflyfish2002

I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I think! 
The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned green,
leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few of
and a bad taste in my mouth. 
 I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and either
Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like to
stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.  
What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for a bit
more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
cartridges.

Thanks,

Barry

Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-17 by scott_now_coming

MIS Eboni.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" 
<barry@s...> wrote:
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>
> I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I think! 
> The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned green,
> leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few of
> and a bad taste in my mouth. 
>  I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and either
> Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like to
> stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.  
> What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for a bit
> more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
> cartridges.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barry
>

Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-17 by Shilesh Jani

MIS Eboni will give you better black (Dmax ~1.70) then Epson MK (Dmax 
~1.63) with the Hanhnemuhle line of papers. The OEM MK is just fine (if 
quite a bit warmer) on Epson papers (EEM, VFA Dmax ~1.67 to 1.70). 

Welcome back.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" 
<barry@s...> wrote:
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>
> I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I think! 
> The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned green,
> leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few of
> and a bad taste in my mouth. 
>  I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and either
> Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like to
> stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.  
> What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for a bit
> more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
> cartridges.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barry
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-18 by Steve Kale

People have reported 1.83 on Epson Velvet Fine Art here with Epson MK.   I
agree with Shilesh, Epson ink performs the best on Epson papers and MIS
Eboni performs the best on third party papers, generally speaking.  If
InkVillage posts reasonable longevity tests for the Nanochromes they will
then be worth considering.  I've measured 2.0 on HPR308.
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> From: Shilesh Jani <shileshjani@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:40:55 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?
> 
> MIS Eboni will give you better black (Dmax ~1.70) then Epson MK (Dmax
> ~1.63) with the Hanhnemuhle line of papers. The OEM MK is just fine (if
> quite a bit warmer) on Epson papers (EEM, VFA Dmax ~1.67 to 1.70).
> 
> Welcome back.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002"
> <barry@s...> wrote:
>> 
>> I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I think!
>> The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned green,
>> leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few of
>> and a bad taste in my mouth.
>>  I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and either
>> Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like to
>> stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.
>> What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for a bit
>> more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
>> cartridges.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Barry

[Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-18 by Shilesh Jani

Steve,

Call me crazy - but I just got a 2400 and exchanged the black ink to 
NanoChrome K. My idea is to make b/w prints with QTR, but using the 
OEM K3 LK, LLK, LM, and LC to fine-tune the tone.

On HPR 308 (I have 3 year old paper), I get Dmax of 1.8 after 2 hours 
dry-down, at the 85% patch using QTR "calibration" mode. Miles away 
from 2.0 you are getting with your 2100.

My numbers, it seems are consistently lower. Perhaps it is the 
densitometer I am using. Would it be too much to ask you to post me a 
1 x 1 inch Dmax patch on HPR? You could send it on regular size 
envelop.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
>
> People have reported 1.83 on Epson Velvet Fine Art here with Epson 
MK.   I
> agree with Shilesh, Epson ink performs the best on Epson papers and 
MIS
> Eboni performs the best on third party papers, generally speaking.  
If
> InkVillage posts reasonable longevity tests for the Nanochromes 
they will
> then be worth considering.  I've measured 2.0 on HPR308.
> 
> 
> > From: Shilesh Jani <shileshjani@b...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:40:55 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?
> > 
> > MIS Eboni will give you better black (Dmax ~1.70) then Epson MK 
(Dmax
> > ~1.63) with the Hanhnemuhle line of papers. The OEM MK is just 
fine (if
> > quite a bit warmer) on Epson papers (EEM, VFA Dmax ~1.67 to 1.70).
> > 
> > Welcome back.
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002"
> > <barry@s...> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I 
think!
> >> The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned 
green,
> >> leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few 
of
> >> and a bad taste in my mouth.
> >>  I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and 
either
> >> Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like 
to
> >> stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.
> >> What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for 
a bit
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> >> more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
> >> cartridges.
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> Barry
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-18 by Steve Kale

I limit K at 45% and boost 50% (2880dpi).  Let them dry overnight - not just
2 hours.  Happy to send you a patch but try that first.  You may be laying
down too much ink.
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> From: Shilesh Jani <shileshjani@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:07:49 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Call me crazy - but I just got a 2400 and exchanged the black ink to
> NanoChrome K. My idea is to make b/w prints with QTR, but using the
> OEM K3 LK, LLK, LM, and LC to fine-tune the tone.
> 
> On HPR 308 (I have 3 year old paper), I get Dmax of 1.8 after 2 hours
> dry-down, at the 85% patch using QTR "calibration" mode. Miles away
> from 2.0 you are getting with your 2100.
> 
> My numbers, it seems are consistently lower. Perhaps it is the
> densitometer I am using. Would it be too much to ask you to post me a
> 1 x 1 inch Dmax patch on HPR? You could send it on regular size
> envelop.
> 
> Shilesh

RE: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-18 by John Moody

Print 1% patches from 80 to 90% to refine your Dmax ink limit.  Also print
patches using the Epson driver for comparison.
As Steve indicated, Dmax takes at least overnight to settle, maybe longer.

Best regards,
John Moody
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The best black in with UC?

Steve,

Call me crazy - but I just got a 2400 and exchanged the black ink to
NanoChrome K. My idea is to make b/w prints with QTR, but using the
OEM K3 LK, LLK, LM, and LC to fine-tune the tone.

On HPR 308 (I have 3 year old paper), I get Dmax of 1.8 after 2 hours
dry-down, at the 85% patch using QTR "calibration" mode. Miles away
from 2.0 you are getting with your 2100.

My numbers, it seems are consistently lower. Perhaps it is the
densitometer I am using. Would it be too much to ask you to post me a
1 x 1 inch Dmax patch on HPR? You could send it on regular size
envelop.

Shilesh




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Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-18 by helen_bach2003

Barry,

Do you want to stick to matte papers, or might you be interested in
glossy and semi-gloss as well? Are you only printing B&W with your
2200? If you are printing B&W only you could use Eboni with the Epson
K3 PK, LK and LLK, a couple of toner inks and a gloss top coat. Quite
versatile.

Just a thought.
Best,
Helen 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "tflyfish2002"
<barry@s...> wrote:
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>
> I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I think! 
> The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned green,
> leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few of
> and a bad taste in my mouth. 
>  I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and either
> Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like to
> stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.  
> What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for a bit
> more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
> cartridges.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barry
>

Re: The best black in with UC?

2006-01-19 by tflyfish2002

Helen,

Thank you and others for your replies.  I need to print both B/W as
well as color on my 2200. For B/W I anticipate using matte papers
only, for color both matt and Epson Premium Luster. 
I have access to Imageprint 5.6 which seems to be very versatile, but
I am not sure for B/W. I am thinking that QTR might be a better way to go.

Thanks

Barry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "helen_bach2003"
<helenbach@h...> wrote:
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>
> Barry,
> 
> Do you want to stick to matte papers, or might you be interested in
> glossy and semi-gloss as well? Are you only printing B&W with your
> 2200? If you are printing B&W only you could use Eboni with the Epson
> K3 PK, LK and LLK, a couple of toner inks and a gloss top coat. Quite
> versatile.
> 
> Just a thought.
> Best,
> Helen 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002"
> <barry@s...> wrote:
> >
> > I have been away from B/W printing for a while, two years I think! 
> > The reason I gave up was the Cone inks that I used all turned green,
> > leaving me with a lot of useless prints which I still have a few of
> > and a bad taste in my mouth. 
> >  I would like to "Bite the Bullet" and restart with my 2200 and either
> > Imageprint or QTR. The question is what ink to use? I would like to
> > stay with the Epson inks for all but the black.  
> > What would you recommend to use in it's place?  I am looking for a bit
> > more Dmax than the Epson mk black.  I am no stranger to refilling
> > cartridges.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Barry
> >
>

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