Digital BW, The Print

Anyone using it and is it worth upgrading to? Seems like there are very little new features. I 
have v11 and things look great, I do not want to mess things up.

Mark

Mark, I'm barely getting my feet wet with it, but it seems to me to
have some new features of great interest to me. One of the most
interesting, some dithers give per ink dot size control.
Imagine the years of tweaking that implies...
It will now center in image with a click, and spooling seems to be
improved by moving the process off to a separate server app.
More soon... or later...
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ctphoto1"
<mark@c...> wrote:
>
> Anyone using it and is it worth upgrading to? Seems like there are
very little new features. I 

> have v11 and things look great, I do not want to mess things up.
> 
> Mark
>

Does this mean an underlying black can be put down under a Portfolio  
black to make it more fade resistant? Look forward to hearing all  
your findings. Did you get an upgrade price of some sort?
Mark

On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> Mark, I'm barely getting my feet wet with it, but it seems to me to
> have some new features of great interest to me. One of the most
> interesting, some dithers give per ink dot size control.
> Imagine the years of tweaking that implies...
> It will now center in image with a click, and spooling seems to be
> improved by moving the process off to a separate server app.
> More soon... or later...
> Tyler
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ctphoto1"
> <mark@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone using it and is it worth upgrading to? Seems like there are
> very little new features. I
> > have v11 and things look great, I do not want to mess things up.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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I'v used PosterPrint since version 9. Each version has always been worth upgrading to. I have just started using the v. 12 and like it. I will shortly do some paper profiling with the GPS upgrade also(have used it for about 1 year) and will have better feedback also later.Centering feature is nice as is the faster spooling/processing.Also drop down menu of paper sizes as well s configuration for custom paper sizes is a time saver(saves the manual approach needed previously).I'm going to try the new dithering(stochastic 3 as well as smart diffusion. The manul recommends either with the diffusion being longer but more accurate.)
--
Frank 
Francis James Mares Photography


-------------- Original message from "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...m>: -------------- 


> Mark, I'm barely getting my feet wet with it, but it seems to me to 
> have some new features of great interest to me. One of the most 
> interesting, some dithers give per ink dot size control. 
> Imagine the years of tweaking that implies... 
> It will now center in image with a click, and spooling seems to be 
> improved by moving the process off to a separate server app. 
> More soon... or later... 
> Tyler 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ctphoto1" 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Anyone using it and is it worth upgrading to? Seems like there are 
> very little new features. I 
> > have v11 and things look great, I do not want to mess things up. 
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
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Mark, I'm still with v10 for quads. It'll take me a while to get to
that issue but I will certainly address it, right now I have to get up
to speed on color for waiting clients.
Iterative linearizations, with dry time, then profiling, with dry
time, gets very time consuming. Add settings testing and the whole
deal gets silly...
There was a reasonable upgrade price from Ergosoft.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
<mark@c...> wrote:

>
> Does this mean an underlying black can be put down under a Portfolio  
> black to make it more fade resistant? Look forward to hearing all  
> your findings. Did you get an upgrade price of some sort?
> Mark
> 
> On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
> > Mark, I'm barely getting my feet wet with it, but it seems to me to
> > have some new features of great interest to me. One of the most
> > interesting, some dithers give per ink dot size control.
> > Imagine the years of tweaking that implies...
> > It will now center in image with a click, and spooling seems to be
> > improved by moving the process off to a separate server app.
> > More soon... or later...
> > Tyler
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ctphoto1"
> > <mark@c...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone using it and is it worth upgrading to? Seems like there are
> > very little new features. I
> > > have v11 and things look great, I do not want to mess things up.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other  
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Tyler Boley wrote:

> Mark, I'm still with v10 for quads. It'll take me a while to get to
> that issue but I will certainly address it, right now I have to get up
> to speed on color for waiting clients.
> Iterative linearizations, with dry time, then profiling, with dry
> time, gets very time consuming. Add settings testing and the whole
> deal gets silly...
> There was a reasonable upgrade price from Ergosoft.
> Tyler

I've found you can eliminate most of the dry time by drying the print 
with a hand-held hair dryer. This works particularly well with the 
PiezoTones, but works quite well with Epson pigments as well. This 
technique might eliminate a source of frustration for you and get you to 
your goal quicker, with more consistency maybe.
--
Bruce Watson

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, hogarth@s... wrote:
...
> I've found you can eliminate most of the dry time by drying the print 
> with a hand-held hair dryer...

Bruce, have you measured those against tests a few days old? Perhaps
I'm being too, well, you know

Tyler

Tyler Boley wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, hogarth@s... wrote:
> ...
> > I've found you can eliminate most of the dry time by drying the print
> > with a hand-held hair dryer...
>
> Bruce, have you measured those against tests a few days old? Perhaps
> I'm being too, well, you know
>
> Tyler

Not in the way you mean - I'm not yet making my own profiles. But I have 
taken prints directly off the printer, dried them with the dryer 
(smelling the glycols and glycerines, seeing the Dmax go up (Cone 
claimed up to a full stop darker at the black end if you hand dried 
PiezoTones)), slapped them into frames and put them in the sun - no 
outgassing.

I've also printed a test print and pinned it to my proofing wall. Same 
print every day - 24 hour delta. It took about seven days for the prints 
to stabilize when I ran the test (18 months ago maybe?). On the eighth 
day I printed the test print again, but this time I dried it with the 
hair dryer and walked it up and down the wall -  it matched with the 
oldest "air dried" print tone for tone.

Not a densitometer test, I know. Not good enough for profile making, I 
know. That's why I added that "maybe" to my suggestion ;-)
--
Bruce Watson

So you can have different versions (10,11,12) on the same computer  
with no issues, just in case it doesn't work out?
Mark

On Jan 17, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> Mark, I'm still with v10 for quads.

Yup, but just dumped 11, once the quad issues are solved 10 will go
away as well. At this rate it'll be weeks.
T

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
<mark@c...> wrote:

>
> So you can have different versions (10,11,12) on the same computer  
> with no issues, just in case it doesn't work out?
> Mark
> 
> On Jan 17, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
> > Mark, I'm still with v10 for quads.
>

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