Digital BW, The Print

Hi all

Does anyone have guidance on when to use a "buffered" or "unbufferd" 
matt board?

Today a person at "Light Impressions" told me to use a "Non Buffered" 
matt board for both digital pigment or dye ink prints.  In one of 
their catalogue advertisements on page 10 they say to use a non 
buffered board for albumen, dye transfer or chromogenic prints yet 
other advertisements in their literature shows color prints in a 
buffered matt board.

Any help would be appreciated

Bruce

Use a "buffered" board.

I use Cresent, but any good 100% rag buffered board will work.

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brucercohio" 
<bruce.campbell@w...> wrote:

>
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone have guidance on when to use a "buffered" or "unbufferd" 
> matt board?
> 
> Today a person at "Light Impressions" told me to use a "Non Buffered" 
> matt board for both digital pigment or dye ink prints.  In one of 
> their catalogue advertisements on page 10 they say to use a non 
> buffered board for albumen, dye transfer or chromogenic prints yet 
> other advertisements in their literature shows color prints in a 
> buffered matt board.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated
> 
> Bruce
>

This article should prove useful: http://tinyurl.com/ak9wc 

Best Regards, 
Michael Gordon
www.mgordonphotography.com

Michael and others who responded on this subject

Thanks for the web site and information regarding your thoughts on 
using buffered and unbuffered mat boards.  I have now seen or heard 
about 4 different answers.  When I called "Light Impressions" twice -
 I got 2 different answers depending on who took my phone call. 

I plan on asking some museum folks to see what their opinion is. It 
should be interesting.

I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and Care 
of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is discussion 
and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new data 
like that shown in the web site that may change someones opinion.

If you see any new info, please let me know.

Thanks again for your help!!


Bruce

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael E. 
Gordon" <michael_gordon@c...> wrote:

>
> This article should prove useful: http://tinyurl.com/ak9wc 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> Michael Gordon
> www.mgordonphotography.com
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brucercohio" 
<bruce.campbell@w...> wrote:
>
> 
> I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and Care 
> of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is discussion 
> and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new data 
> like that shown in the web site that may change someones opinion.
> 


Have you checked the PDF version that you can download? I thought 
that had been updated.

I thought that Wilhelm mentioned Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent in his
book, not hypo eliminator. They are two different things. Hypo
eliminator is not recommended because of the nature of its action;
KHCA is OK. I must ahve missed the reference to hypo eliminator.

Best,
Helen 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter De Smidt
<pdesmidt@T...> wrote:

>
> Greg wrote:
> 
> >  
> >
> >>I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and Care 
> >>of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is discussion 
> >>and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new data 
> >>like that shown in the web site that may change someones opinion.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> Be careful about using this book.  I used to use hypo eliminator and 
> selenium toning as recommended with fiber based silver gelatin prints, 
> but I've found out that this is a bad idea as the hypo eliminator can 
> damage the prints, at least it can according to Ryuji Suzuki, who seems 
> to know quite a bit about this type of thing.
>

"at least it can according to Ryuji Suzuki"

Who?

Doesn't he play for the Seattle Mariners?

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter De Smidt 
<pdesmidt@T...> wrote:
>
> Greg wrote:
> 
> >  
> >
> >>I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and 
Care 
> >>of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is 
discussion 
> >>and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new 
data 
> >>like that shown in the web site that may change someones opinion.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> Be careful about using this book.  I used to use hypo eliminator 
and 
> selenium toning as recommended with fiber based silver gelatin 
prints, 
> but I've found out that this is a bad idea as the hypo eliminator 
can 
> damage the prints, at least it can according to Ryuji Suzuki, who 
seems 
> to know quite a bit about this type of thing.
>

Greg wrote:

>  
>
>>I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and Care 
>>of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is discussion 
>>and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new data 
>>like that shown in the web site that may change someones opinion.
>>
>>    
>>
Be careful about using this book.  I used to use hypo eliminator and 
selenium toning as recommended with fiber based silver gelatin prints, 
but I've found out that this is a bad idea as the hypo eliminator can 
damage the prints, at least it can according to Ryuji Suzuki, who seems 
to know quite a bit about this type of thing.

Heico Perma Wash is the way to go. Assuming they still make it. It's 
been a few years since I last bought a quart.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter De Smidt 
<pdesmidt@T...> wrote:
>
> helen_bach2003 wrote:
> 
> >I thought that Wilhelm mentioned Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent in his
> >book, not hypo eliminator. They are two different things. Hypo
> >eliminator is not recommended because of the nature of its action;
> >KHCA is OK. I must ahve missed the reference to hypo eliminator.
> >
> >Best,
> >Helen 
> >
> >  
> >
> Yep, they are very different. Hypo Clearing Agent is mainly sodium 
> sulfite, whereas Hypo Eliminator is amonia, hydrogen peroxide and 
> water.  And yes I'm sure that he recommended Hypo Eliminator, 
followed 
> by selenium toning, in the first edition of the book in question.  
Note: 
> not only shouldn't one use Hypo Eliminator, but light selenium 
toning 

> doesn't give near the protection that was once thought, at least it 
> doesn't according the the Image Permanence Institute at RIT.
>

scott_now_coming wrote:

>"at least it can according to Ryuji Suzuki"
>
>Who?
>
>Doesn't he play for the Seattle Mariners?
>
>Scott
>  
>
See: http://silvergrain.org/main/

helen_bach2003 wrote:

>I thought that Wilhelm mentioned Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent in his
>book, not hypo eliminator. They are two different things. Hypo
>eliminator is not recommended because of the nature of its action;
>KHCA is OK. I must ahve missed the reference to hypo eliminator.
>
>Best,
>Helen 
>
>  
>
Yep, they are very different. Hypo Clearing Agent is mainly sodium 
sulfite, whereas Hypo Eliminator is amonia, hydrogen peroxide and 
water.  And yes I'm sure that he recommended Hypo Eliminator, followed 
by selenium toning, in the first edition of the book in question.  Note: 
not only shouldn't one use Hypo Eliminator, but light selenium toning 
doesn't give near the protection that was once thought, at least it 
doesn't according the the Image Permanence Institute at RIT.

-I'll take a look at the PDF version of the book. Thanks for the idea.

In the meantime I saw the new ISO standard (it replaced the ANSI std) 
indicated to use buffered board for both B&W as well as color prints.

I am still not sure what to use for cyanotype or platinum.


Bruce

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-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" 
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brucercohio" 
> <bruce.campbell@w...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and 
Care 

> > of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is discussion 
> > and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new data 
> > like that shown in the web site that may change someones opinion.
> > 
> 
> 
> Have you checked the PDF version that you can download? I thought 
> that had been updated.
>

Well, I just looked at the PDF version of the book and its the same 
as the original book.

Bruce

DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brucercohio" 
<bruce.campbell@w...> wrote:
>
> -I'll take a look at the PDF version of the book. Thanks for the 
idea.
> 
> In the meantime I saw the new ISO standard (it replaced the ANSI 
std) 
> indicated to use buffered board for both B&W as well as color 
prints.
> 
> I am still not sure what to use for cyanotype or platinum.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> xxxxxxxxxxxx
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" 
> <dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brucercohio" 
> > <bruce.campbell@w...> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I wish Henry Wilhelm would update his book "The Permanence and 
> Care 
> > > of Color Photographs".  In the book dated 1992 there is 
discussion 
> > > and recommendations on this matter but I am sure there is new 
data 
> > > like that shown in the web site that may change someones 
opinion.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Have you checked the PDF version that you can download? I 
thought 

> > that had been updated.
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brucercohio" 
<bruce.campbell@w...> wrote:
>
> Well, I just looked at the PDF version of the book and its the same 
> as the original book.
> 
> Bruce
> 


Guess I won't bother printing it until it gets updated.