b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by joshscapes
Hello all, Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for more info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. thanks josh
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b&w photoshop
Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Scott Graham
Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W than it is for color. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshscapes" <joshrandall@j...> wrote:
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> > Hello all, > > Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on > photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for more > info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. > > thanks > > josh
Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by thm29205
It's a good question....what is a good Photoshop book for photographers. Fact is only 20% of the contents of most of the books I have looked at are useable by most people on this forum. The other 80% are "special effects" most here would seldom use and more appropriate for a graphics artist. What has the greatest percentage written for a true digital darkroom user, particularly for black and white - something that delves more into more than just the basic digital equivalents of silver darkroom techniques? George DeWolfe has a CD on workflow that looks pretty interesting. I assume it has a little more than what he excerpts in Camera Arts. Has anyone bought it? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" <gebilwil@n...> wrote: > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W than it is for color. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshscapes" <joshrandall@j...> > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on > > photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for more
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> > info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. > > > > thanks > > > > josh
RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Scott Graham [mailto:gebilwil@...] > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W > than it is for color. If you're starting with color images, as from a digicam, then it's important to know something about the color manipulation tools, because it's important to learn how to exploit the color for getting the best detail and contrast in the B&W conversion. However, there are some things, like really brutal curve adjustments, that work wonders on B&W images but that would be disastrous in color. So there is certainly room for someone to write at least a long article, if not a short book, on using PS specifically for B&W. Until someone does, the archives of this list are probably one of the best resources, even if painful to search. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Josh Randall
I am working with b&w negatives that are scanned, then "worked on" in photoshop, then sent to the inkjet for printing. My intent is to create good crisp b&w images that are close to the same images that I would produce with a wet darkroom. Josh
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul D. DeRocco [mailto:pderocco@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:45 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop > From: Scott Graham [mailto:gebilwil@...] > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W > than it is for color. If you're starting with color images, as from a digicam, then it's important to know something about the color manipulation tools, because it's important to learn how to exploit the color for getting the best detail and contrast in the B&W conversion. However, there are some things, like really brutal curve adjustments, that work wonders on B&W images but that would be disastrous in color. So there is certainly room for someone to write at least a long article, if not a short book, on using PS specifically for B&W. Until someone does, the archives of this list are probably one of the best resources, even if painful to search. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@... Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Marcus
I was just in Books a million this evening and noticed they had a book called "Digital black and white photography". I browsed through it and it seems like something worth purchasing. I too have been waiting for someone to come out with a book addressing digital black and white photography being that is the majority of my work. The book has some techniques I was familiar with as well as some that I was not. It sells for about 25 bucks but I saw it on amazon.com for about 17 bucks. Amazon also has another book geared toward black and white digital photography called darkroom to digital. If you buy the two together, you get a price break $36.89. I will probably order them next week sometime. Heres the link to the book on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/1592004725/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Faw%5Falx-jeb-9-1%5Fbook%5F6481858%5F2/ 104-7693339-1213563 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "thm29205" <thm@b...> wrote:
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> > It's a good question....what is a good Photoshop book for > photographers. Fact is only 20% of the contents of most of the books > I have looked at are useable by most people on this forum. The other > 80% are "special effects" most here would seldom use and more > appropriate for a graphics artist. What has the greatest percentage > written for a true digital darkroom user, particularly for black and > white - something that delves more into more than just the basic > digital equivalents of silver darkroom techniques? > > George DeWolfe has a CD on workflow that looks pretty interesting. I > assume it has a little more than what he excerpts in Camera Arts. Has > anyone bought it? > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" > <gebilwil@n...> wrote: > > > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W > than it is for color. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshscapes" > <joshrandall@j...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on > > > photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for > more > > > info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > josh
Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Marcus
oh yeah and the book i mention is geared toward using photoshop. it had plenty of screenshots and examples. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus" <marcus@l...> wrote: > > I was just in Books a million this evening and noticed they had a book called "Digital black > and white photography". I browsed through it and it seems like something worth > purchasing. I too have been waiting for someone to come out with a book addressing > digital black and white photography being that is the majority of my work. The book has > some techniques I was familiar with as well as some that I was not. It sells for about 25 > bucks but I saw it on amazon.com for about 17 bucks. Amazon also has another book > geared toward black and white digital photography called darkroom to digital. If you buy > the two together, you get a price break $36.89. I will probably order them next week > sometime. > > Heres the link to the book on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ > detail/-/1592004725/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Faw%5Falx-jeb-9-1%5Fbook%5F6481858%5F2/ > 104-7693339-1213563 > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "thm29205" <thm@b...> wrote:
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> > > > It's a good question....what is a good Photoshop book for > > photographers. Fact is only 20% of the contents of most of the books > > I have looked at are useable by most people on this forum. The other > > 80% are "special effects" most here would seldom use and more > > appropriate for a graphics artist. What has the greatest percentage > > written for a true digital darkroom user, particularly for black and > > white - something that delves more into more than just the basic > > digital equivalents of silver darkroom techniques? > > > > George DeWolfe has a CD on workflow that looks pretty interesting. I > > assume it has a little more than what he excerpts in Camera Arts. Has > > anyone bought it? > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" > > <gebilwil@n...> wrote: > > > > > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W > > than it is for color. > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshscapes" > > <joshrandall@j...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on > > > > photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for > > more > > > > info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > josh
RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Josh Randall [mailto:joshrandall@...] > > I am working with b&w negatives that are scanned, then "worked on" in > photoshop, then sent to the inkjet for printing. My intent is to create > good crisp b&w images that are close to the same images that I > would produce with a wet darkroom. That's a worthy goal, but in the long run, don't limit yourself to that. You can do amazing things with B&W in Photoshop, much more so than in color, turning images that look like crap on the film into works of art. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by rgb2bw
Josh, This is not a book, but my web site has an in-depth explanation of Photoshop's Hue/Saturation, Levels and Curves adjustments. I use Levels and Curves a lot to darken/lighten/increase-decrease contrast in an image. There is a section on the web site that discusses converting color to B&W, but if you use B&W film, then the section would probably be irrelevant. I think Photoshop's help gives a fairly good explanation of layer masks. In Photoshop, click Help > Photoshop Help, then click the Search menu and search for layer masks. Try reading the topic titled Creating and Editing Layer Masks. Not sure the topic explains it, but one of the things I do a lot is to Alt-click the layer mask to display the mask in the document window. This shows you exactly what the mask has in it. Alt-click the mask again to restore the image display. Thomas www.zuberphotographics.com
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> > Hello all, > > Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on > photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for more > info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. > > thanks > > josh
RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Josh Randall
Point taken Paul. I have seen some wonderful results with negatives that I have tried to print in the darkroom but got frustrated with them. Josh
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul D. DeRocco [mailto:pderocco@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:13 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop > From: Josh Randall [mailto:joshrandall@...] > > I am working with b&w negatives that are scanned, then "worked on" in > photoshop, then sent to the inkjet for printing. My intent is to create > good crisp b&w images that are close to the same images that I > would produce with a wet darkroom. That's a worthy goal, but in the long run, don't limit yourself to that. You can do amazing things with B&W in Photoshop, much more so than in color, turning images that look like crap on the film into works of art. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@... Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject =Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-09 by Josh Randall
Thanks Marcus. Very helpful. I also have seen that George Schaub is coming out with a new book on b&w digital photography using photoshop. It is not being published however until may 2005. Josh
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-----Original Message----- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:00 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop I was just in Books a million this evening and noticed they had a book called "Digital black and white photography". I browsed through it and it seems like something worth purchasing. I too have been waiting for someone to come out with a book addressing digital black and white photography being that is the majority of my work. The book has some techniques I was familiar with as well as some that I was not. It sells for about 25 bucks but I saw it on amazon.com for about 17 bucks. Amazon also has another book geared toward black and white digital photography called darkroom to digital. If you buy the two together, you get a price break $36.89. I will probably order them next week sometime. Heres the link to the book on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/1592004725/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Faw%5Falx-jeb-9-1%5Fbook%5F6481858%5F 2/ 104-7693339-1213563 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "thm29205" <thm@b...> wrote: > > It's a good question....what is a good Photoshop book for > photographers. Fact is only 20% of the contents of most of the books > I have looked at are useable by most people on this forum. The other > 80% are "special effects" most here would seldom use and more > appropriate for a graphics artist. What has the greatest percentage > written for a true digital darkroom user, particularly for black and > white - something that delves more into more than just the basic > digital equivalents of silver darkroom techniques? > > George DeWolfe has a CD on workflow that looks pretty interesting. I > assume it has a little more than what he excerpts in Camera Arts. Has > anyone bought it? > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" > <gebilwil@n...> wrote: > > > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W > than it is for color. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joshscapes" > <joshrandall@j...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Just curious if anyone know where I could obtain a good book on > > > photoshop for b&w. I know basic techniques but am looking for > more > > > info on selective dodging, burning, using masks..ect. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > josh Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject =Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop
2005-01-24 by Josh Randall
Hello all, A while ago I asked whether anyone has found a useful book about using photoshop specifically for b&w images. Well, since then I have found, not a book, but a wonderful CD put out by RH Designs that takes you step by step through image manipulation in photoshop. What I love about it is the fact that it relates the image tools to the darkroom and focuses on producing traditional b&w prints. It is the most comprehensive and easy to understand information I have found yet on the subject (and I have been buying and reading everything on the subject for the past 4 months). Anyhow, if you are just getting started and need some clarity for how you can optimize photoshop for your b&w images, check out this cd. I have included a link below: http://www.rhdigital.co.uk/html/b_w_workshop_cd.html Josh p.s. I have no links to this company at all. This is just my opinion. If you do happen to order the cd, watch out for the currency conversion. It comes from the U.K. and ends up costing about $50.00 for us U.S. folks.
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul D. DeRocco [mailto:pderocco@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:45 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w photoshop > From: Scott Graham [mailto:gebilwil@...] > > Everything that you mention wanting to do is no different for B&W > than it is for color. If you're starting with color images, as from a digicam, then it's important to know something about the color manipulation tools, because it's important to learn how to exploit the color for getting the best detail and contrast in the B&W conversion. However, there are some things, like really brutal curve adjustments, that work wonders on B&W images but that would be disastrous in color. So there is certainly room for someone to write at least a long article, if not a short book, on using PS specifically for B&W. Until someone does, the archives of this list are probably one of the best resources, even if painful to search. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@... Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]