Digital BW, The Print

Paul,
What I like about the piezo driver is the profiles - absolutely vital IMO.
I'm not an EAM fan as I prefer 308 gram Photorag or William Turner - hence a
3000 is no good to me either unfortunately! If there was a PR profile for
variable tone inks I'd be tempted.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: "DigitalB&WPrint" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:37 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Neutral tone FS inks for Piezo driver


> I thought it would be an interesting exercise to see what a neutral Piezo
> print would look like.  You can see the results in the Files section of
this
> forum.  It's found at:
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>
> Go the "Message Related Files" and see "Fs-N1-Pzo."
>
> The neutral-tone image was printed with the Piezo driver and the FS-N1
> inkset described below.  The comparison Piezo image is standard Piezo ink,
> with the Piezo driver.  Both are on EAM.
>
> The FS-N1 inkset mix is as follows:
>
> 1. Mix a dark blue toner: 1 part cyan pigs to 1 part magenta pigs.
>
> 2. Mix a base cyan: 28% VM or Piezo black, the remainder MIS clear base.
>
> 3. Mix the toner and cyan base as follows: 1 toner to 5 cyan base.  This
is
> the cyan ink for the cartridge and for further mixing, below.
>
> 4. Magenta position: 15% #3 cyan, above, the remainder MIS clear base.
>
> 5. Yellow position:  (I missed the mark on this one.  I'll try 1 part #4
> magenta to 1 part clear base next time.  I'll report the ratio/results
> soon.)
>
> Time from idea to print: 1 hour.  Of course, this is just a first effort.
> I'll take one more shot at it, and then it's up to the users to perfect
the
> mixing, to the extent any more is needed.
>
> All materials are on the MIS website.
>
> MIS is not involved in this.  Whether they would pre-mix this is probably
a
> question of whether there are enough people who want it.
>
> Frankly, I still think that the MIS VM approach is better, but for those
who
> love the Piezo driver and want neutral ink, here it is.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
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on 10/31/01 2:59 AM, Julian Thomas wrote:

> Paul,
> What I like about the piezo driver is the profiles - absolutely vital IMO.
> I'm not an EAM fan as I prefer 308 gram Photorag or William Turner - hence a
> 3000 is no good to me either unfortunately! If there was a PR profile for
> variable tone inks I'd be tempted.

Julian

I haven't been following this thread too closely so forgive me if this
misses your point, but using MIS VM and Paul's curve, I find what looks good
on EAM looks better on the Hahnemuhle papers. I have not tested with step
wedges, or Tyler's Zee's, just images, but to my eyes no adjustments are
necessary from one to the other, you'll jest have deeper blacks and a
greater sense of dimension with the H. papers. It makes for a good workflow
where you proof with Epson papers (I like HeavyWeight Matte as a slightly
cheaper alternative to EAM, but EAM is good too) and final print on H.
papers without changes to curves, profiles, dot gain, whatsoever. But that's
just my perception, I'd be interested to hear if others feel otherwise...

Todd

PS, that's not at all to say you wouldn't miss the profiles for other
papers, just that the H's all print very closely to each other, and closely
to EAM and MPW.

My VM inks for my 1200 should be here any day now, do I need to flush out
the epson inks in there now first or can I just install VM and run flush
images until the color is gone.

Thanks,

Larry