Digital BW, The Print

Hello all:

I am having a problem getting my prints to look like my monitor.. The 
blacks don't show the seperation on the monitor.  I use adobe gamma 
to try to calibrate the monitor. I have also tried to adjust the 
monitor to a 22 step gray scale.   Is there any best way to set this 
up so they both agree.

Ed Blake
blakephoto

I posted this to another group a few days ago and received a respone 
which was rather generic although useful. If somehere has more 
specific information as to what to use and where to get them please 
advise.

We have a facility we use to train students in Photoshop editing and
printing using pcs. The monitors used are office type lcds, nothing
elaborate like the monitors we use for our production work. We have a
I1 Photo spectro with match software and a Monaco XR Pro colorimeter
and software which we use to calibrate the production monitors.

What tests, ramps, images etc can be used to evaluate and obtain the
best monitor profile for these monitors? I can probably do at least a
dozen different profiles using different setups within these two tools
but other than a obvious color cast it is dificult to judge which
method is providing the best profile. Im not trying to make a silk
purse out of a pigs ear, just trying to do the best with what we have
to work with. The images worked up and printed will be primarily color
photography printed tp Epson matte paper.

Thanks again for any advice.

Larry Burk

I find the i1 spectro to be too heavy for my LCD as it seems to 
distort the surface enough to throw the profile off. My Optix XR does 
a better job, if only for that one reason. The profile built from the 
standard patch set was a little lesser than the 99 patch set with the 
Pro version. That said, the Coloreyes software is said to be really 
great, but I have not tried it yet.

I tried to do a test with Coloreyes last month but the program wouldnt 
work. When I inquired about it with Coloreyes they acknowledged it 
didnt always wotk with XP and they didnt know why or how to fix it. I 
didnt buy it as XP is whats on these training pcs. Dont know if they 
ever got it fixed. 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" 
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:

>
> I find the i1 spectro to be too heavy for my LCD as it seems to 
> distort the surface enough to throw the profile off. My Optix XR does 
> a better job, if only for that one reason. The profile built from the 
> standard patch set was a little lesser than the 99 patch set with the 
> Pro version. That said, the Coloreyes software is said to be really 
> great, but I have not tried it yet.
>

I am using Coloreyes on Win XP with no problems. I think any XP problems
were solved long ago. 

 

Coloreyes can control some monitors via DDC, but not my LaCie 321
unfortunately. 

 

Steve

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Burk
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:03 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Monitor calibration

 

I tried to do a test with Coloreyes last month but the program wouldnt 
work. When I inquired about it with Coloreyes they acknowledged it 
didnt always wotk with XP and they didnt know why or how to fix it. I 
didnt buy it as XP is whats on these training pcs. Dont know if they 
ever got it fixed. 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" 
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
>
> I find the i1 spectro to be too heavy for my LCD as it seems to 
> distort the surface enough to throw the profile off. My Optix XR does 
> a better job, if only for that one reason. The profile built from the 
> standard patch set was a little lesser than the 99 patch set with the 
> Pro version. That said, the Coloreyes software is said to be really 
> great, but I have not tried it yet.
>






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In a message dated 1/29/06 10:31:28 PM, dfaprinting@... writes:


> I find the i1 spectro to be too heavy for my LCD as it seems to
> distort the surface enough to throw the profile off. 
> 
It also has another disadvantage based on being a real spectro:   as well as 
being heavy, its relatively fragile. One fall to the desk or floor, and its 
back to the manufacturer for recalibration. Not practical for training 
situations...

> My Optix XR does
> a better job, if only for that one reason. The profile built from the
> standard patch set was a little lesser than the 99 patch set with the
> Pro version. That said, the Coloreyes software is said to be really
> great, but I have not tried it yet.
> 
It gets good reviews from lots of the leading experts, and I've been 
impressed with what I've seen in the past. I'll be interested to try it with the 
Spyder2 hardware, when version 4 comes out soon, with Spyder support. One more 
flavor of monitor profiling to ponder.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com



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Larry - If you contact me off-list, I will send you a couple of images that
you can try.  For judging monitors' calibrations, I find it useful to look
at a square made up of 100 smaller squares of gray going from 1% black to
100% in 1 percent increments.  Those will let you see what's happening to
the mid-tones (in terms of color drift, etc.,) and also whether the high and
low ends of the scale are compressed.

For testing printing profiles, I like to see how a particular image prints
once I have done a good monitor calibration and have chosen the appropriate
print profile for the printer, inks, driver, lighting conditions for
viewing, etc.


Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
www.spphoto.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@a... wrote:
> It gets good reviews from lots of the leading experts, and I've been 
> impressed with what I've seen in the past. I'll be interested to try 
it with the 
> Spyder2 hardware, when version 4 comes out soon, with Spyder support. 
One more 
> flavor of monitor profiling to ponder.
> 


I thought they claimed support for the Spyder and the Spyder 2 now. 
Maybe I looked at the site wrong but I thought they did.

In a message dated 1/30/06 9:27:15 AM, dfaprinting@... writes:


> I thought they claimed support for the Spyder and the Spyder 2 now.
> Maybe I looked at the site wrong but I thought they did.
> 
> 

No, Spyder support is a new feature we've been cooperating on for the 
upcoming version of ColorEyes Display. You might be thinking of Eizo Color Navigator 
Spyder2 support? That has been in news releases over the last few months...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Hi,
After an external hard drive failure, I decided to clean house and reformat
my G4.  Well, that is something I hope I do not have to repeat anytime soon.
Now I am finally back up and nearly running,
I am having problems calibrating my monitor ( La Cie electron 22 blue iv)
with a Spyder optical 3.  Operating system 10.3.9 G4  To my eye the end
result looks far too warm although this appears to be images opened in
Photoshop.  I noticed that any images in Portfolio looked o.k., although
still on the warm side.
The procedure I followed in Optical was as follows:
Guided by what I believe are the suggested settings for Piezotone.
Target (Curve) set to  Gamma 1.8
Whitepoint set to D50
In  luminance I just left what was in the boxes.  Black 0.3 and white 80.0
and followed on-screen instructions for the contrast and brightness.
My color settings in Photoshop are as for Piezotone.
I would greatly appreciate any help.  Thanks.  Siobhan

In a message dated 2/28/06 10:19:27 AM, siobhan@... writes:


> I am having problems calibrating my monitor ( La Cie electron 22 blue iv)
> with a Spyder optical 3.  Operating system 10.3.9 G4  To my eye the end
> result looks far too warm although this appears to be images opened in
> Photoshop.  I noticed that any images in Portfolio looked o.k., although
> still on the warm side.
> The procedure I followed in Optical was as follows:
> Guided by what I believe are the suggested settings for Piezotone.
> Target (Curve) set to  Gamma 1.8
> Whitepoint set to D50
> In  luminance I just left what was in the boxes.  Black 0.3 and white 80.0
> and followed on-screen instructions for the contrast and brightness.
> 

These settings (D50 or 5000k, and White Luminance of 80) are great, as long 
as you work in the DARK. Thats the required conditions for using a low lumiance 
monitor setting. The D50 whitepoint will look very yellow in typical room 
lighting. Thats to be expected. So either run your CRT brighter (which will burn 
it out faster) and still work in very dim conditions, but be able to calibrate 
to a somewhat higher whitepoint (say 5800k), or darken your room to near 
black, and work in D50 prepress conditions. Or get a bright LCD, and move into the 
light... but with the necessary adjustments to your other factors to balance 
this!

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com



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CD,

I found that with my CRT, I had to work in a 'dim cave' if I set my 
monitor to about 85-90 cd/m2 to get a good match.  With my Samsung 
213T LCD monitor, I work in a fairly bright room, but I still use 85 
cd/m2.  I also calibrate to D50.  Surprisingly, this gives me a near 
perfect monitor to print match, both from a color and tonality 
standpoint.  I tried 100 cd/m2 and higher, since I had fairly bright 
overhead lighting (Philips D50, 98 CRI fluorescents), but the tonal 
range was way off.  My monitor always ended up being much brighter 
than my prints, suggesting a luminance level that was too high.  So, 
I experimented with dozens of settings.  I have used both Gretag 
ProfileMaker 5.05 and EyeOne Match3 with an Eye One spectro, and they 
both seem to give me the same good results.

I use a special Photoshop Lab file to check my monitor calibration.  
It exposes flaws in your monitor calibration, at least the gamma and 
endpoints.  Using D50, 2.1 gamma and 85 cd/m2, I get a near perfect 
calibration using this test file, even with my reasonably bright room 
lighting.  More important to me, my monitor to print match is nearly 
perfect, using a recently created custom printer profile.  

I don't know if this is because I am now using an LCD.  It isn't what 
I expected, but it works great in my working environment.

Lou Dina

****************** 
> These settings (D50 or 5000k, and White Luminance of 80) are great, 
as long 
> as you work in the DARK. Thats the required conditions for using a 
low lumiance 
> monitor setting. The D50 whitepoint will look very yellow in 
typical room 
> lighting. Thats to be expected. So either run your CRT brighter 
(which will burn 
> it out faster) and still work in very dim conditions, but be able 
to calibrate 
> to a somewhat higher whitepoint (say 5800k), or darken your room to 
near 
> black, and work in D50 prepress conditions. Or get a bright LCD, 
and move into the 
> light... but with the necessary adjustments to your other factors 
to balance 

> this!
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> 
> 
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>

Is anyone using a newer Mac Pro, OS 10.6.4, with a Lacie monitor/Blue Eye calibration software/puck successfully?  I am unable to get the calibration process to work properly.  Apple points the finger at Lacie, and Lacie points its finger at Apple. Yikes...  

I'd also be happy to hear if another combination of high-end monitor and calibration hardware and software is working well for anyone with this computer!

How old, CRT or LCD? If CRT you can not blame any manufacture (Lacie or Apple), they have all moved on.

Recommend Eizo monitor and Eye One calibrator. Works perfect with my 10.6.4 setup.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:04 AM, spphoto2001 wrote:

> Lacie monitor/Blue Eye calibration software/puck successfully?

Hi Pete,
It happens that I bought my Mac Pro (10.6.4)  right around the time  
my Lacie electron blue monitor was running out of the 3 year
warrantee (5 or 6 years ago). It started acting up, and Lacie  
immediately said they'd send me a brand new one, and returned old in  
the new box.
  I use it only for imaging, and a different computer for everything  
else, so it's still in great shape. However,
I no longer do my own calibrations -- instead I found someone who  
calibrates it for me about once a year. I'm not sure
which software  he uses with a puck, but it really works great. The  
combination of monitor and paper profiles for each
printer, gives me perfect CC and density/contrast.
When the CRT gives out, hopefully the new monitors with light diodes  
will be affordable.
If you need the info, contact me directly -- I'll call him and ask  
which software he uses.

Clay Price
clay@...


<Posted by: "spphoto2001" petegorsky@...   spphoto2001
<Is anyone using a newer Mac Pro, OS 10.6.4, with a Lacie monitor/ 
Blue Eye calibration software/puck successfully? I am unable to get  
the calibration <process to work properly. Apple points the finger at  
Lacie, and Lacie points its finger at Apple. Yikes...


<I'd also be happy to hear if another combination of high-end monitor  
and calibration hardware and software is working well for anyone with  
this <computer!

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