Yahoo Groups archive

Digital BW, The Print

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:56 UTC

Thread

Vs: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

Vs: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

2004-04-18 by Ukko Heikkinen

How about this, Steve?

http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/TEACH/floral/color.htm

I don't know how to put this. The "exact" complementary color is what is exactly opposite the filter color, but of course the filter affects the brightness of the "near-by" colors, too, but to a lesser extent.

You are right: "one advantage of colour capture is that the range of adjustments that can be made post  capture is significantly greater than those that can be made with B&W film.". However, the "acutance", or sharpness, of B&W films is higher than that of color films, and I believe that I have noticed that their local value contrast is better, too.

How about this:

http://www.thelightsright.com/DigitalDarkroom/Tutorials.htm

Ukko Heikkinen
Show quoted textHide quoted text
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"


Ukko

Thanks for this.  I guess what I am searching for is an understanding of
what these filters do to the RGB space hitting the film plane eg more red,
less blue, little less green etc.  That is, an expression of the filter in
terms of RGB rather than ³enhances contrast² etc.  Does this make sense?

Steve 


From: "Ukko Heikkinen" <ukko.heikkinen@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:55:21 +0300
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels "equivalents"

Hello Steve

Let's start here:

http://www.tiffen.com/Filter_&_Lens_Brochure/BFILT_30_31.htm

Ukko Heikkinen











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
 
Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: Vs: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

2004-04-19 by Steve Kale

Thanks Ukko.  Quite a coincidence that you direct me to a tutorial on filter
simulation written by Glenn Mitchell who also wrote the tutorial on using
Split Channels to convert to B&W!  I need to read the article again a little
more carefully.  A pity it doesn¹t cover the B&W side of things and it
tackles the subject from the perspective of CMYK rather than RGB.  I will
re-read the article in the morning.  Is Glenn  still lurking in this list?
Unfortunately he got a rough time when he popped his head up on the subject
of converting to B&W even though I found his input extremely helpful.
Hopefully he is still around and can help me tie up the loose ends in my
knowledge base here (on or off list).

<< However, the "acutance", or sharpness, of B&W films is higher than that
of color films, and I believe that I have noticed that their local value
contrast is better, too.>>

I find it interesting that you say this because I have found scanned B&W
film (using the Imacon 848 that I rent) to produce much less ³sharp² images.
I get cleaner more contrasty images from colour converted to B&W.  Perhaps
this is just the poor development of the film.

Thanks again

Steve
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Ukko Heikkinen" <ukko.heikkinen@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:20:16 +0300
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Vs: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

How about this, Steve?

http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/TEACH/floral/color.htm

I don't know how to put this. The "exact" complementary color is what is
exactly opposite the filter color, but of course the filter affects the
brightness of the "near-by" colors, too, but to a lesser extent.

You are right: "one advantage of colour capture is that the range of
adjustments that can be made post  capture is significantly greater than
those that can be made with B&W film.". However, the "acutance", or
sharpness, of B&W films is higher than that of color films, and I believe
that I have noticed that their local value contrast is better, too.

How about this:

http://www.thelightsright.com/DigitalDarkroom/Tutorials.htm

Ukko Heikkinen




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

2004-04-19 by Herb Bauer

Here's how I remember complementary colors:

(R)otten (C)ars (B)(Y) (G)eneral (M)otors for RC,BY,GM (Red/Cyan,
Blue/Yellow, Green/Magenta)

Herb
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Ukko Heikkinen [mailto:ukko.heikkinen@....fi] 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:20 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Vs: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

How about this, Steve?

http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/TEACH/floral/color.htm

I don't know how to put this. The "exact" complementary color is what is
exactly opposite the filter color, but of course the filter affects the
brightness of the "near-by" colors, too, but to a lesser extent.

You are right: "one advantage of colour capture is that the range of
adjustments that can be made post  capture is significantly greater than
those that can be made with B&W film.". However, the "acutance", or
sharpness, of B&W films is higher than that of color films, and I believe
that I have noticed that their local value contrast is better, too.

How about this:

http://www.thelightsright.com/DigitalDarkroom/Tutorials.htm

Ukko Heikkinen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"


Ukko

Thanks for this.  I guess what I am searching for is an understanding of
what these filters do to the RGB space hitting the film plane eg more red,
less blue, little less green etc.  That is, an expression of the filter in
terms of RGB rather than ³enhances contrast² etc.  Does this make sense?

Steve 


From: "Ukko Heikkinen" <ukko.heikkinen@...c.fi>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:55:21 +0300
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels "equivalents"

Hello Steve

Let's start here:

http://www.tiffen.com/Filter_&_Lens_Brochure/BFILT_30_31.htm

Ukko Heikkinen











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and
Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
 
Yahoo! Groups Links



 





Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and
Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND
“MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND
“MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
 
Yahoo! Groups Links

Vs: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

2004-04-19 by Ukko Heikkinen

Hello Steve

I don't quite understand your question:

"...waht these filters do to the RGB space hitting the film plane..."

Have a look at these, they mmight be of some help.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/board/43
http://www.jakerlund.net/page.php?id=6

Ukko Heikkinen

Re: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

2004-04-19 by Steve Kale

Thanks!  Very clever...
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Herb Bauer" <herb.bauer@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:22:32 -0600
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Vs: [Digital BW] Filters and their split channels"equivalents"

Here's how I remember complementary colors:

(R)otten (C)ars (B)(Y) (G)eneral (M)otors for RC,BY,GM (Red/Cyan,
Blue/Yellow, Green/Magenta)

Herb




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.