Digital BW, The Print

Can anyone help me on this issue.
I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images 
to be able to print them. 

What scanner should I get?
I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and therefor 
need a 35mm scanner? 
And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out 
from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual 
image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?

And finally, which scanner should I get?

Thanks.

Huge topic but here is a start that perhaps others can build on.  Yes you scan the 
negs (or positive slides for that matter).  File/Import from within Photoshop will kick 
off your installed scanner driver (eg the TWAIN driver  or Vuescan or Silverfast should 
you decide to use these scanner driver software packages).  Your scanner will come 
with instructions on how to set up the scans (eg placement and software settings).  It 
is relatively straightforward to get a simple scan, much more complex as you begin to 
use the more powerful features.  The images will appear as positives in PS for you to 
work on and then print.  Scanning negs is technically more complex for a scanner 
than slides and often scanner software packages (eg Silverfast) have built in profiles 
for the type of film you are using.

A good starting point for deciding which scanner is your budget.  I use an Epson 
2450 (now replaced by the 3200) which is a flatbed scanner with film holder units for 
mounted or strip film.  It does a very ok job considering its price (and has the 
advantage of also being able to scan docs for other purposes).  But if you really want 
the best scan quality you ought to think about a dedicated film scanner.  Check your 
price point first.

This forum is focused on issues concerning B&W Prints.  There are probably other 
forums which are more relevant to scanners and scanning techniques, but the 
following website has a useful tutorial on scanning...

http://www.scantips.com/
 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njhilite" <njhilite@y...> 
wrote:

> Can anyone help me on this issue.
> I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images 
> to be able to print them. 
> 
> What scanner should I get?
> I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and therefor 
> need a 35mm scanner? 
> And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out 
> from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual 
> image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?
> 
> And finally, which scanner should I get?
> 
> Thanks.

At 12:56 PM 8/12/2003, you wrote:
>Can anyone help me on this issue.
>I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images
>to be able to print them.
>
>What scanner should I get?
>I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and therefor
>need a 35mm scanner?

Probably, although you might get sufficient resolution from one of the 
newer flatbed scanners, such as the Epson 3200, to be able to make small 
prints from 35mm. Basically, you need a scanner that will scan negatives 
and transparencies. Scanners that do this are either dedicated film 
scanners or flatbed (desktop) scanners with a transparency adapter.

>And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out
>from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual
>image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?

The scanner software will produce a file in TIFF or JPEG format that you 
will input into Photoshop for editing and printing.

>And finally, which scanner should I get?

It depends on what your needs are. Everybody has their own favorite 
scanner. I use a Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 film scanner for 35mm and a 
Polaroid 45i for 4x5 and medium format.

>Thanks.

Hope it helped.

Stan

================================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com

> File/Import from within Photoshop will kick 
> off your installed scanner driver (eg the TWAIN driver  or Vuescan 

Vuescan works as a Photoshop plug-in (and not just as a stand-alone)
now ?

John

totally agree on the 3200 or the Polaroid Sprintscan. I use a 120 but 
had a 4000 and you can get 4000's pretty cheap (350) on ebay which is 
a bargain for a 16bit 4000 cpi scanner - its an awesome scanner for 
35mm film or transparencies, especially when combined with 
silverfast. One last point, you dont need Silverfast, the polaroid 
scanning software, while simple, gives an excellent result. 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Stan McQueen 
<stan@s...> wrote:
> At 12:56 PM 8/12/2003, you wrote:
> >Can anyone help me on this issue.
> >I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images
> >to be able to print them.
> >
> >What scanner should I get?
> >I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and 
therefor
> >need a 35mm scanner?
> 
> Probably, although you might get sufficient resolution from one of 
the 
> newer flatbed scanners, such as the Epson 3200, to be able to make 
small 
> prints from 35mm. Basically, you need a scanner that will scan 
negatives 
> and transparencies. Scanners that do this are either dedicated film 
> scanners or flatbed (desktop) scanners with a transparency adapter.
> 
> >And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out
> >from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual
> >image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?
> 
> The scanner software will produce a file in TIFF or JPEG format 
that you 
> will input into Photoshop for editing and printing.
> 
> >And finally, which scanner should I get?
> 
> It depends on what your needs are. Everybody has their own favorite 
> scanner. I use a Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 film scanner for 35mm and 
a 

> Polaroid 45i for 4x5 and medium format.
> 
> >Thanks.
> 
> Hope it helped.
> 
> Stan
> 
> ================================
> Photography by Stan McQueen
> http://www.smcqueen.com

I too have a Sprintscan 4000 and highly recommend it over the Nikon
Coolscans I had previously.

My understanding is that resolution is not the issue when choosing a film
scanner; it is Dynamic Range.  The Polaroid is much better in this respect.
Flatbeds don't even come close - or didn't when I bought mine 2 years ago.

My theory may be a little shakey but I have found my results back this up in
practice as well.

Only problem you might have is Polaroid going bust - not sure if you can
still get them.

See these articles http://scantips.com/basics14.html
http://scantips.com/chap3.html  for some more information.

js

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan McQueen [mailto:stan@...] 
Sent: 12 August 2003 20:25
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com

At 12:56 PM 8/12/2003, you wrote:
>Can anyone help me on this issue.
>I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images
>to be able to print them.
>
>What scanner should I get?
>I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and therefor
>need a 35mm scanner?

Probably, although you might get sufficient resolution from one of the 
newer flatbed scanners, such as the Epson 3200, to be able to make small 
prints from 35mm. Basically, you need a scanner that will scan negatives 
and transparencies. Scanners that do this are either dedicated film 
scanners or flatbed (desktop) scanners with a transparency adapter.

>And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out
>from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual
>image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?

The scanner software will produce a file in TIFF or JPEG format that you 
will input into Photoshop for editing and printing.

>And finally, which scanner should I get?

It depends on what your needs are. Everybody has their own favorite 
scanner. I use a Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 film scanner for 35mm and a 
Polaroid 45i for 4x5 and medium format.

>Thanks.

Hope it helped.

Stan

================================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com 



Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- Include your full name with your message.
- Include the address of your website, if you have one.
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
- As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames
- Complete your Yahoo profile.
- Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage. 


 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Quoting johngeyles <jge@...>:
> > File/Import from within Photoshop will kick 
> > off your installed scanner driver (eg the TWAIN driver  or Vuescan 
> 
> Vuescan works as a Photoshop plug-in (and not just as a stand-alone)
> now ?

Not as far as I'm aware. Vuescan has an option that will launch Photoshop 
or other editing program when the scan is finished, but I don't think the 
reverse is true (Photoshop launching Vuescan).

Stan
===========================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com

===========================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com


Quoting John Swain <john.swain@...>:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I too have a Sprintscan 4000 and highly recommend it over the Nikon
> 
> Coolscans I had previously.
> 
> 
> 
> My understanding is that resolution is not the issue when choosing a film
> 
> scanner; it is Dynamic Range.\ufffd The Polaroid is much better in this
> respect.
> 
> Flatbeds don't even come close - or didn't when I bought mine 2 years
> ago.
> 
> 
> 
> My theory may be a little shakey but I have found my results back this up
> in
> 
> practice as well.
> 
> 
> 
> Only problem you might have is Polaroid going bust - not sure if you can
> 
> still get them.
> 
> 
> 
> See these articles http://scantips.com/basics14.html
> 
> http://scantips.com/chap3.html\ufffd for some more information.
> 
> 
> 
> js
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stan McQueen [mailto:stan@...] 
> 
> Sent: 12 August 2003 20:25
> 
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:56 PM 8/12/2003, you wrote:
> 
> >Can anyone help me on this issue.
> 
> >I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images
> 
> >to be able to print them.
> 
> >
> 
> >What scanner should I get?
> 
> >I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and therefor
> 
> >need a 35mm scanner?
> 
> 
> 
> Probably, although you might get sufficient resolution from one of the 
> 
> newer flatbed scanners, such as the Epson 3200, to be able to make small 
> 
> prints from 35mm. Basically, you need a scanner that will scan negatives 
> 
> and transparencies. Scanners that do this are either dedicated film 
> 
> scanners or flatbed (desktop) scanners with a transparency adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> >And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out
> 
> >from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual
> 
> >image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?
> 
> 
> 
> The scanner software will produce a file in TIFF or JPEG format that you 
> 
> will input into Photoshop for editing and printing.
> 
> 
> 
> >And finally, which scanner should I get?
> 
> 
> 
> It depends on what your needs are. Everybody has their own favorite 
> 
> scanner. I use a Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 film scanner for 35mm and a 
> 
> Polaroid 45i for 4x5 and medium format.
> 
> 
> 
> >Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope it helped.
> 
> 
> 
> Stan
> 
> 
> 
> ================================
> 
> Photography by Stan McQueen
> 
> http://www.smcqueen.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> 
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> 
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
> 
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this
> same
> 
> page.
> 
> 
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> 
> - Include your full name with your message.
> 
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> 
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
> keep
> 
> them short.
> 
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> 
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames
> 
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> 
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> 
> resources on the homepage. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> 
> 
>   ADVERTISEMENT
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> 
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this
> same page.
> 
> 
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> 
> - Include your full name with your message.
> 
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> 
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
> keep them short.
> 
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> 
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames
> 
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> 
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> resources on the homepage. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Sorry about the previous message. I clicked on "Send" accidentally.

Quoting John Swain <john.swain@...>:
> I too have a Sprintscan 4000 and highly recommend it over the Nikon
> Coolscans I had previously.

I've never had a Nikon scanner, but I am very happy with my two Polaroids.
 
> My understanding is that resolution is not the issue when choosing a film
> scanner; it is Dynamic Range.  The Polaroid is much better in this
> respect.
> 
> Flatbeds don't even come close - or didn't when I bought mine 2 years
> ago.
> 
> My theory may be a little shakey but I have found my results back this up
> in practice as well.

It's probably a combination of the two factors: resolution and dynamic 
range. Flatbeds rarely have the actual resolution they claim. And dynamic 
range is rarely what is claimed, in any scanner.

> Only problem you might have is Polaroid going bust - not sure if you can
> still get them.

Polaroid is in Chapter 11 reorganization. They are still operating and 
producing and selling products.

Stan
===========================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com

I have an Epson Perfection 3200 scanner. On the message board for the 3200, some people have been knocking it saying that it is not sharp enough for 35mm. Well, personally I think it is and I'm pretty critical. I have been doing photography for about 38 years and work with all formats from 35mm to 4X5. Now, I don't have a film scanner and have no experience with them. I bought the 3200 to mainly scan my 120 and 4X5 film as I mostly work in those formats. For those it does a great job.
When I work with 35mm, I usually print 8X10 or 11X14. At those sizes, I feel that I get everything that is in the film with the 3200. If you are going larger, then maybe you will need another scanner, I don't know. However,  you might give the 3200 a try. If you don't like it, you can always return it. I don't believe that there is another flatbed scanner out there of it's quality for the price.

See the following review for more information.
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners
/Epson_3200/page_10.htm

By the way. I use SilverFast Ai 6.0 to scan and always use Unsharp Masking to optimize sharpness. It really makes a big difference. If you use the Epson software, I recommend checking the unsharp mask box  with each scan.

Russ Martin


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I just tried the link to the review of the Epson 3200 scanner that I posted in the previous message. It didn't work. Evidently, Yahoo's computers did not turn the whole URL into an active link. So, Just highlight and paste thw whole URL into your browser window and it will take you there. 

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_10.htm

Russ


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At 11:12 PM +0100 7/10/02, ListServer@... wrote:
>ADDRESS FOR POSTING CONTRIBUTIONS
>  filmscanners@...
>
>ADDRESS FOR COMMANDS eg 'subscribe','unsubscribe' etc
>  listserver@...
>
>HUMAN ASSISTANCE (last resort please!)
> filmscanners-owner@...
>
>HOST WEBSITE
>http://www.halftone.co.uk Tony Sleep Photography


Not that I object to seeing njhilite's questions or responses to 
her/him here, but Tony Sleep's filmscanner list (addresses above are 
from his web site) is a good place to ask questions about film 
scanners. He shoots B&W and so do many of the active subscribers to 
his list.
--
Sam

Sam McCandless

>Can anyone help me on this issue.
>I have an Epson2200 inkjet printer and would like to scan my images
>to be able to print them.
>
>What scanner should I get?
>I let the Film develop. So, do I scan from the negatives and therefor
>need a 35mm scanner?
>And how does it work from here? How do I get a picture printed out
>from my scanned negatives? How do they get converted into an actual
>image that can be edited with Photoshop for instance?
>
>And finally, which scanner should I get?
>
>Thanks.
>
>[njhilite@...]