Digital BW, The Print

On the new Canon i9000...
4800x1200 ,13x19 inches,   4 picoliters variable-size droplet,can swap heads
for BW and color printing(and rinsing),new Piezo inks&profiles for it... Are
the current Epson printers close to their final hour for us?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, André Vallejo 
<avs@p...> wrote:
> On the new Canon i9000...
> 4800x1200 ,13x19 inches,   4 picoliters variable-size droplet,can 
swap heads
> for BW and color printing(and rinsing),new Piezo inks&profiles for 
it... Are
> the current Epson printers close to their final hour for us? 

Why give up on the now? Am I the only one to notice the upgrade for 
the 1280? We can now have it in SILVER...yeah man!


Steve K

A lot has been said about the Canon printers lately. It will be fun 
(?) to see how they compare to Epsons in real world setting with the 
b&w inksets

Fine white horizontal lines across the prints, printer head touching 
the heavier paper, etc may not be the exclusive domain of Epson 
printers.

Cheers,
Andre

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, André Vallejo 
> <avs@p...> wrote:
> > On the new Canon i9000...
> > 4800x1200 ,13x19 inches,   4 picoliters variable-size droplet,can 
> swap heads
> > for BW and color printing(and rinsing),new Piezo inks&profiles 
for 

> it... Are
> > the current Epson printers close to their final hour for us? 
> 
> Why give up on the now? Am I the only one to notice the upgrade for 
> the 1280? We can now have it in SILVER...yeah man!
> 
> 
> Steve K

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Steven Karafyllakis [mailto:steve@...] 
> Verzonden: maandag 17 maart 2003 2:28
> Aan: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: [Digital BW] Re: Is Epson dead?
> 
(...)


> Why give up on the now? Am I the only one to notice the upgrade for 
> the 1280? We can now have it in SILVER...yeah man!

Like the nowadays Canon printers! :-)
Ton G.

I was really excited about the swappable print-heads when I saw the 
Canon at Piezography's booth at PMA a few weeks ago too.  Sounds like 
a great solution - black and white AND color from the same printer!!

Talk to Canon and/or anyone who's tried it though (for a long period 
of time anyway) and you'll discover uncorrectable alignment problems, 
tons of banding and a voided warranty.  

Epson dead - No Way!!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, André Vallejo 
> <avs@p...> wrote:
> > On the new Canon i9000...
> > 4800x1200 ,13x19 inches,   4 picoliters variable-size droplet,can 
> swap heads
> > for BW and color printing(and rinsing),new Piezo inks&profiles 
for 

> it... Are
> > the current Epson printers close to their final hour for us? 
> 
> Why give up on the now? Am I the only one to notice the upgrade for 
> the 1280? We can now have it in SILVER...yeah man!
> 
> 
> Steve K

This is obviously a point of concern for those who may be thinking of the 
dual printhead approach for Canon printers (I'm one, though probably with 
Lyson Small Gamut inks when they become available in bulk for the Canon 
9000) but I'm curious as to the source of the trouble reports.  It was my 
impression that Canon has only been selling the printhead separately for a 
month or two.  Has someone found the problems you describe in just that 
short period?

I've removed my (only) printhead several times in the 8 months I've had the 
printer, to rinse it out under a faucet in an effort to clear persistent 
clogs.  I never had a problem with banding or alignment after it was 
returned to the printer carriage and put through several cleaning cycles to 
refill the heads with ink.  Is there some concern that the printheads 
available as "spares" from Canon somehow don't meet the same specs as 
"original equipment" and so somehow mess up the printer mechanism?  I'm 
having a hard time imagining how this would happen, mechanically.

Any details would be appreciated.  I'm hoping to stick with the Canon and 
dual printheads for B&W and color printing, largely for its much faster 
printing times compared to the Epsons.  But if for some reason the two 
heads approach doesn't really work reliably, I'll have to rethink my strategy.

Cheers,
Kip

At 3/29/2003 01:20 AM +0000, you wrote:

>I was really excited about the swappable print-heads when I saw the  Canon 
>at Piezography's booth at PMA a few weeks ago too.  Sounds like
>a great solution - black and white AND color from the same printer!!
>
>Talk to Canon and/or anyone who's tried it though (for a long period  of 
>time anyway) and you'll discover uncorrectable alignment problems,
>tons of banding and a voided warranty.

-----Original Message-----

  From: Kip Babington [mailto:cbabing3@...]
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:18 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Is Epson dead?


  This is obviously a point of concern for those who may be thinking of the 
  dual printhead approach for Canon printers (I'm one, though probably with 
  Lyson Small Gamut inks when they become available in bulk for the Canon 
  9000) but I'm curious as to the source of the trouble reports.  It was my 
  impression that Canon has only been selling the printhead separately for a 
  month or two.  Has someone found the problems you describe in just that 
  short period?

   I've had an S9000 for over a year and have had NO problems with head alignment etc. It is a joy to clean compared to my Epsons and I am chomping at the bit to use it for B&W when Jon Cone finally gets pigmented inks for it on the market. 

  Question: are the Lyson small gamut inks available in cartridges for the Canon?

  Roger 
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Yes,  Roger, the Small Gamuts have been available in Canon 9000 cartridges 
for a month or two, and they produce very nice images.  They're just too 
expensive for me to use on a regular basis, as I do about 1500 8x10 size 
prints a year, mostly at Christmas.

I've been reloading cartridges with Inkjet Goodies color inks for a few 
months, and have had enough success to put up with the fact that I can't 
swap in a full cartridge without having to do nozzle checks and cleaning 
cycles, something I NEVER have had to do with Canon brand ink.  But the 
price differential is so dramatic that I put up with the hassle.

Lyson Small Gamut inks have been available in bulk for Epson printers for 
some time, and I'm assuming the prices for Canon printers will be 
similar.  If my assumption proves out, the saving will be about 80% 
compared to filled cartridge prices (i.e., 80% less for a home filled cart 
than a factory filled one.)

I'm hoping.

Cheers,
Kip

At 3/29/2003 01:08 PM -0700, you wrote, in part:

>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Kip Babington [mailto:cbabing3@...]
>   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:18 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Is Epson dead?
>
>   <snip>
>    I've had an S9000 for over a year and have had NO problems with head 
> alignment etc. It is a joy to clean compared to my Epsons and I am 
> chomping at the bit to use it for B&W when Jon Cone finally gets 
> pigmented inks for it on the market.
>
>   Question: are the Lyson small gamut inks available in cartridges for 
> the Canon?
>
>   Roger
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