Digital BW, The Print

The carts and chips seem to be the weak point on the 3880. For my first effort, I tried (and am using) OEM Epson carts where I poked out the back-flow valve (a la Jtoolman YouTube video) and reset the chips. Initially, although it took several redundant carts to get chips that would reset, it appeared to be working fine. Then I noticed the the pool of ink under the printer, and the chips stopped resetting.

I no longer recommend this approach.

If the third party approaches like Jon Cone's work well, they are well worth the cost. So, I'd like feedback on any third party 3880 carts that might be up to serious work. If you don't want to embarrass anyone, contact me off list. This 3880, however, is too good to give up on, but I need a cartridge system that is good for the long haul, including bi-weekly agitation of the carts. That means the seals need to be good enough to take regular removal for agitation. I might add that the STS carts I'm using on the 7800 can do it, as can OEM 7800 carts (when their seals and valves have not been damaged). Some feedback I've already received is that a lot of the 3880 cart systems are not up to serious, high volume use.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Paul

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I have an unused 3880 which I have also been wanting to try, once i can figure out how to refill or get decent carts.  I had been looking on youtube to see this Jose poke out the back flow valve and refill the carts.  He claimed that only one seller in FL had the reset tool which worked.  Did you try that one?  Are you talking about the same method?  Depressing to hear about the pool of ink!
Curt

      From: "roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandout tWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:45 PM
 Subject: [Digital BW] 3880 cartridges
   
    The carts and chips seem to be the weak point on the 3880.  For my first effort, I tried (and am using) OEM Epson carts where I poked out the back-flow valve (a la Jtoolman YouTube video) and reset the chips.  Initially, although it took several redundant carts to get chips that would reset, it appeared to be working fine.  Then I noticed the the pool of ink under the printer, and the chips stopped resetting.
I no longer recommend this approach.  
If the third party approaches like Jon Cone's work well, they are well worth the cost.  So, I'd like feedback on any third party 3880 carts that might be up to serious work.  If you don't want to embarrass anyone, contact me off list.  This 3880, however, is too good to give up on, but I need a cartridge system that is good for the long haul, including bi-weekly agitation of the carts.  That means the seals need to be good enough to take regular removal for agitation.  I might add that the STS carts I'm using on the 7800 can do it, as can OEM 7800 carts (when their seals and valves have not been damaged).  Some feedback I've already received is that a lot of the 3880 cart systems are not up to serious, high volume use.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
PaulPaulRoark.com -- Paul Roark's Photographic Home  
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By good, new resettable carts you mean the type you have to sacrifice a chip from a good ink cart for?  One of the made in China jobs with the over laying chip?(for example inkowl carts sold on amazon)  Don't these let the ink get exposed to air?

Curt

      From: "Paul Roark roark.paul@gmail.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 To: DigitalB&WPrint <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3880 cartridges
   
    I did use that method.  His previous method of removing the cap on the end of the cart seemed like a safer way to go in terms of avoiding damage to the valve and seal.  Good, new empty carts seems like the safest way to go at the moment.
His recommended resetter worked well for a while, then stopped working.
Paulwww.PaulRoark.com 


On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:09 AM, CB curtisbliss@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     I have an unused 3880 which I have also been wanting to try, once i can figure out how to refill or get decent carts.  I had been looking on youtube to see this Jose poke out the back flow valve and refill the carts.  He claimed that only one seller in FL had the reset tool which worked.  Did you try that one?  Are you talking about the same method?  Depressing to hear about the pool of ink!
Curt

      From: "roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandout tWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:45 PM
 Subject: [Digital BW] 3880 cartridges
   
    The carts and chips seem to be the weak point on the 3880.  For my first effort, I tried (and am using) OEM Epson carts where I poked out the back-flow valve (a la Jtoolman YouTube video) and reset the chips.  Initially, although it took several redundant carts to get chips that would reset, it appeared to be working fine.  Then I noticed the the pool of ink under the printer, and the chips stopped resetting.
I no longer recommend this approach.  
If the third party approaches like Jon Cone's work well, they are well worth the cost.  So, I'd like feedback on any third party 3880 carts that might be up to serious work.  If you don't want to embarrass anyone, contact me off list.  This 3880, however, is too good to give up on, but I need a cartridge system that is good for the long haul, including bi-weekly agitation of the carts.  That means the seals need to be good enough to take regular removal for agitation.  I might add that the STS carts I'm using on the 7800 can do it, as can OEM 7800 carts (when their seals and valves have not been damaged).  Some feedback I've already received is that a lot of the 3880 cart systems are not up to serious, high volume use.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
PaulPaulRoark.com -- Paul Roark's Photographic Home  
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Kelly,
Thank you for both replies.  I want to look up that removal process you describe to be 100% on it(as in understanding what you mean!).
Thanks,

Curt

      From: "kellyhealy@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3880 cartridges
   
    CurtAll of the refillable carts, to my knowledge, require an original sacrificial Epson chip with the color specific  reset chip over the original Epson color specific chip.  The Cone reset chips install with a solid snap and are removed by prying gently in a specific  spot with a small screwdriver.Kelly  #yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196 -- #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp #yiv9939452196hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp #yiv9939452196ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp .yiv9939452196ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp .yiv9939452196ad p {margin:0;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-mkp .yiv9939452196ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-sponsor #yiv9939452196ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv9939452196 #yiv9939452196ygrp-sponsor #yiv9939452196ygrp-lc #yiv9939452196hd {margin:10px 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Kelly,
Thanks for the info and heads up.  I still love the idea of refilling the ink bag inside of the standard carts, although it looks unlikely without the reset tool working!  :-)  As to the aftermarket carts, they are probably all produced in China and of similar quality.  It is important to have a seller that will back up the product!  :-)
Thanks,

Curt

      From: "kellyhealy@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
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 Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3880 cartridges
   
    One more thing As I said I am not a fan or a salesman for Inkjetmall (Cone))Jon Cone sells high quality expensive inks to a discriminating group of photographers.  All of these photographers / printers have to use refillable carts.  Most will probably purchase these carts from him. It would not serve his business model well to sell anything but an absolutely top of the line cart. They would not tolerate an inferior product.  As far as I can see most of the other suppliers are in this to sell only the carts  and have little motivation to demand anything but the lowest volume price.  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