Digital BW, The Print

It's been three years almost to the day since I first submitted some test patches to Mark. This batch includes my sample, item #144, and has now logged 120 Megalux-hours. The test was based on Paul Roark's combination of the Epson R1800, 3 cartridges of Eboni ink, Premier Art FineArt paper, and QTR. It continues to do well.

Thanks to Mark for all his good work and to Paul for developing this simple and effective technique.

Paul

As I re-read my post, I thought how it might sound to folks not familiar with Aardenburg's testing procedure. They might think, "It took three years for Paul (W.) to get his results? What kind of test is that?"  

Readers need to realize the test is an on-going procedure... Mark releases results every couple of months, and as the months move into years, the test results are constantly updated. The longer the rests run with negligible fading the better. Some of the tests have been running significantly longer than mine... a very good thing.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

>
> It's been three years almost to the day since I first submitted some test patches to Mark. This batch includes my sample, item #144, and has now logged 120 Megalux-hours. The test was based on Paul Roark's combination of the Epson R1800, 3 cartridges of Eboni ink, Premier Art FineArt paper, and QTR. It continues to do well.
> 
> Thanks to Mark for all his good work and to Paul for developing this simple and effective technique.
> 
> Paul
>

Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> ... sample, item #144, and has now logged 120 Megalux-hours. The test was
> based on Paul Roark's combination of the Epson R1800, 3 cartridges of Eboni
> ink, Premier Art FineArt paper, and QTR. It continues to do well. ...
>
> The Eboni "3-MK" on Premier Art 205 (aka Epson Premier Art Scrapbook
paper), sprayed with Premier Art Print Shield is doing very well indeed.
 The 50% patch delta-e is 0.2.  This is way below what would be visible.
 The http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ 120 Mlux-hrs is equivalent to a
little more than 60 "Wilhelm years" of display.  I look at it as another of
those "benchmarks" that tell us what the materials, at their best, are
capable of.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
>
> As I re-read my post, I thought how it might sound to folks not familiar with Aardenburg's testing procedure. They might think, "It took three years for Paul (W.) to get his results? What kind of test is that?"  
> 
Anyone who thinks that way is either a complete newbie or woefully ignorant.  Don't worry Paul, we trust you!!

Harry,

I'm pretty much a newbie myself... a lot of what goes on here is over my head, believe me!

Cheers,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "HarryB" <hrblaine@...> wrote:

>
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paulmwhiting@> wrote:
> >
> > As I re-read my post, I thought how it might sound to folks not familiar with Aardenburg's testing procedure. They might think, "It took three years for Paul (W.) to get his results? What kind of test is that?"  
> > 
> Anyone who thinks that way is either a complete newbie or woefully ignorant.  Don't worry Paul, we trust you!!
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
>
> Harry,
> 
> I'm pretty much a newbie myself... a lot of what goes on here is over my head, believe me!
> 

If you're in over your head Paul, think about how I feel. :-)

Just to clarify Paul W's and Paul R's remarks a little further, Batch H completed 120 megalux hours of light exposure, but it's not "complete" in the sense that I still intend to let this batch of samples accumulate much more light exposure over time..The next report update will occur at the end of April, 2013 when the samples will then have reached 140 megalux hours of total exposure.  After that, there will be additional 20 megalux hour intervals until 200 meglalux hours, and after that, if the tests warrant (as I expect Paul's sample will) I will move to 50 megalux hour updates, and we will head towards 300 megalux hours.  At which point I may call it quits on this batch!  It takes about a year to rack up 50 more megalux hours, so we are talking about a very long term ongoing test. 

Some labs use higher light levels and higher UV content to run the tests faster, but there are heat and humidity control issues at the sample plane when doing that, so I'd rather just take more time and collect more precise information along the way.  Also, other labs generally look for one fixed fade point criterion as a means to determine "end of test" and subsequently make a single value prediction of "display lifetime", but that methodology doesn't tell us a lot about how the samples got there or what the nature of the fading looks like visually, and furthermore, a single failure criterion isn't always applicable to all intended uses of the product. For example, fine art prints deserves to be tracked for noticeable fading at levels that would likely trouble curators and conservators but typical consumers might be willing to ignore.  For these reasons, Aardenburg Imaging & Archives provides exposure tabulated data in the test reports that other enterprising souls like Paul R can plot as a fading curve if so inclined. Those curves can tell us whether the system fades linearly or non linearly and what colors and/or tones are deteriorating faster than others with the chosen print process.

cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... sample, item #144, and has now logged 120 Megalux-hours. The test was
> > based on Paul Roark's combination of the Epson R1800, 3 cartridges of Eboni
> > ink, Premier Art FineArt paper, and QTR. It continues to do well. ...
> >
> > The Eboni "3-MK" on Premier Art 205 (aka Epson Premier Art Scrapbook
> paper), sprayed with Premier Art Print Shield is doing very well indeed.
>  The 50% patch delta-e is 0.2.  This is way below what would be visible.
>  The http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ 120 Mlux-hrs is equivalent to a
> little more than 60 "Wilhelm years" of display.  I look at it as another of
> those "benchmarks" that tell us what the materials, at their best, are
> capable of.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Somewhat off topic, although any of my files that get printed are done 
in B&W, so . . .

Anyway, last night (Christmas Night) I took 150+ shots with my Nikon 
D70S.  All RAW files, stored on a Sandisk Extreme 4GB CF card, which was 
formatted in the camera before beginning.  About 60 of the files show up 
with a weird format to the file name - DSC_9:32.NEF, DSC_9:33.NEF, etc.  
The rest of the files have the typical file name format, DSC_9334.NEF, etc.

It appears that some of the files just have a colon replacing the second 
digit in the file name, and those files are unreadable in any software 
I've tried and cannot be copied from the card to the hard disk.  I've 
tried the XP file manager, an third party file manager, Lightroom, 
Breeze Browser, Fastone Image Viewer, Nikon Capture 4, and Photoshop CS5 
- none of them can see the images in the strangely named files, and some 
don't even see the file.

There are any number of "file recovery" software packages offered 
online, many of which offer a free look at what they can do, and several 
show images for all of the files on the card, including the funny ones.  
But all of the packages require purchase before you can download any of 
the "recovered" files.  I gather there are thumbnail images connected to 
NEF files, and I don't want to pay $50 for software that only recovers 
thumbnails.  (The pictures I print all end up as 8x8 inch B&W prints, 
some rather seriously cropped from the original, so a thumbnail won't be 
useful.)

SO - does anyone have experience with software that has been reliable at 
recovering corrupted NEF files from CF cards?  If so, what did you use?  
(I HAVE downloaded and backed up the "good" files, but have not done 
anything but read from the CF card

Thanks for any help.  These are among the most valuable images of the 
year as far as the family history is concerned, and if there's a way to 
save some or all of the ones with the funny names I'd sure like to.  
Willing to pay to get it done, but just want to be sure that it WILL get 
done if I pay for it.

Cheers,
Kip

Kip,

I've never needed to recover files from a CF card but I have used Data Rescue on spinning drives and was assured by a technician at Prosoft that the program has a good chance of retrieving files from CF cards. 

http://www.prosofteng.com/blog/recover-deleted-pictures-from-a-compact-flash-card/

Dale

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Kip Babington wrote:

> Somewhat off topic, although any of my files that get printed are done 
> in B&W, so . . .
> 
> Anyway, last night (Christmas Night) I took 150+ shots with my Nikon 
> D70S. All RAW files, stored on a Sandisk Extreme 4GB CF card, which was 
> formatted in the camera before beginning. About 60 of the files show up 
> with a weird format to the file name - DSC_9:32.NEF, DSC_9:33.NEF, etc. 
> The rest of the files have the typical file name format, DSC_9334.NEF, etc.
> 
> It appears that some of the files just have a colon replacing the second 
> digit in the file name, and those files are unreadable in any software 
> I've tried and cannot be copied from the card to the hard disk. I've 
> tried the XP file manager, an third party file manager, Lightroom, 
> Breeze Browser, Fastone Image Viewer, Nikon Capture 4, and Photoshop CS5 
> - none of them can see the images in the strangely named files, and some 
> don't even see the file.
> 
> There are any number of "file recovery" software packages offered 
> online, many of which offer a free look at what they can do, and several 
> show images for all of the files on the card, including the funny ones. 
> But all of the packages require purchase before you can download any of 
> the "recovered" files. I gather there are thumbnail images connected to 
> NEF files, and I don't want to pay $50 for software that only recovers 
> thumbnails. (The pictures I print all end up as 8x8 inch B&W prints, 
> some rather seriously cropped from the original, so a thumbnail won't be 
> useful.)
> 
> SO - does anyone have experience with software that has been reliable at 
> recovering corrupted NEF files from CF cards? If so, what did you use? 
> (I HAVE downloaded and backed up the "good" files, but have not done 
> anything but read from the CF card
> 
> Thanks for any help. These are among the most valuable images of the 
> year as far as the family history is concerned, and if there's a way to 
> save some or all of the ones with the funny names I'd sure like to. 
> Willing to pay to get it done, but just want to be sure that it WILL get 
> done if I pay for it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip

Download (purchase) a product call Photo Rescue. It works great. Will recover, if possible, all files on card. Not positive about NEFs. You can download the demo to try first. I have saved many of my customers rear ends.
http://www.datarescue.com

Mark
www.stillrivereditions.com

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> wrote:

> Somewhat off topic, although any of my files that get printed are done 
> in B&W, so . . .
> 
> Anyway, last night (Christmas Night) I took 150+ shots with my Nikon 
> D70S.  All RAW files, stored on a Sandisk Extreme 4GB CF card, which was 
> formatted in the camera before beginning.  About 60 of the files show up 
> with a weird format to the file name - DSC_9:32.NEF, DSC_9:33.NEF, etc.  
> The rest of the files have the typical file name format, DSC_9334.NEF, etc.
> 
> It appears that some of the files just have a colon replacing the second 
> digit in the file name, and those files are unreadable in any software 
> I've tried and cannot be copied from the card to the hard disk.  I've 
> tried the XP file manager, an third party file manager, Lightroom, 
> Breeze Browser, Fastone Image Viewer, Nikon Capture 4, and Photoshop CS5 
> - none of them can see the images in the strangely named files, and some 
> don't even see the file.
> 
> There are any number of "file recovery" software packages offered 
> online, many of which offer a free look at what they can do, and several 
> show images for all of the files on the card, including the funny ones.  
> But all of the packages require purchase before you can download any of 
> the "recovered" files.  I gather there are thumbnail images connected to 
> NEF files, and I don't want to pay $50 for software that only recovers 
> thumbnails.  (The pictures I print all end up as 8x8 inch B&W prints, 
> some rather seriously cropped from the original, so a thumbnail won't be 
> useful.)
> 
> SO - does anyone have experience with software that has been reliable at 
> recovering corrupted NEF files from CF cards?  If so, what did you use?  
> (I HAVE downloaded and backed up the "good" files, but have not done 
> anything but read from the CF card
> 
> Thanks for any help.  These are among the most valuable images of the 
> year as far as the family history is concerned, and if there's a way to 
> save some or all of the ones with the funny names I'd sure like to.  
> Willing to pay to get it done, but just want to be sure that it WILL get 
> done if I pay for it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip

Kip, What was the initial workflow to get them downloaded, Lr? It sounds
like you might try renaming the files and get rid of the semi colon. If you
put the card in the camera, how many shots doe it show that you used?   Do
you want to post one some where? 
 
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
 
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
skype me with ejprinter
Let's Talk Photography
 
  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kip
Babington
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:54 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] OT - Recovery of NEF files from CF card
 
  
Somewhat off topic, although any of my files that get printed are done 
in B&W, so . . .

Anyway, last night (Christmas Night) I took 150+ shots with my Nikon 
D70S. All RAW files, stored on a Sandisk Extreme 4GB CF card, which was 
formatted in the camera before beginning. About 60 of the files show up 
with a weird format to the file name - DSC_9:32.NEF, DSC_9:33.NEF, etc. 
The rest of the files have the typical file name format, DSC_9334.NEF, etc.

It appears that some of the files just have a colon replacing the second 
digit in the file name, and those files are unreadable in any software 
I've tried and cannot be copied from the card to the hard disk. I've 
tried the XP file manager, an third party file manager, Lightroom, 
Breeze Browser, Fastone Image Viewer, Nikon Capture 4, and Photoshop CS5 
- none of them can see the images in the strangely named files, and some 
don't even see the file.

There are any number of "file recovery" software packages offered 
online, many of which offer a free look at what they can do, and several 
show images for all of the files on the card, including the funny ones. 
But all of the packages require purchase before you can download any of 
the "recovered" files. I gather there are thumbnail images connected to 
NEF files, and I don't want to pay $50 for software that only recovers 
thumbnails. (The pictures I print all end up as 8x8 inch B&W prints, 
some rather seriously cropped from the original, so a thumbnail won't be 
useful.)

SO - does anyone have experience with software that has been reliable at 
recovering corrupted NEF files from CF cards? If so, what did you use? 
(I HAVE downloaded and backed up the "good" files, but have not done 
anything but read from the CF card

Thanks for any help. These are among the most valuable images of the 
year as far as the family history is concerned, and if there's a way to 
save some or all of the ones with the funny names I'd sure like to. 
Willing to pay to get it done, but just want to be sure that it WILL get 
done if I pay for it.

Cheers,
Kip



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There's a thread here:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=516581

on recovery software. I've only used the software that came with some
Sandisk cards.

Here's another one to try that's free:

http://www.easeus.com/resource/drive/compact-flash.htm



On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> wrote:

> Somewhat off topic, although any of my files that get printed are done
> in B&W, so . . .
>
> Anyway, last night (Christmas Night) I took 150+ shots with my Nikon
> D70S.  All RAW files, stored on a Sandisk Extreme 4GB CF card, which was
> formatted in the camera before beginning.  About 60 of the files show up
> with a weird format to the file name - DSC_9:32.NEF, DSC_9:33.NEF, etc.
> The rest of the files have the typical file name format, DSC_9334.NEF, etc.
>
> It appears that some of the files just have a colon replacing the second
> digit in the file name, and those files are unreadable in any software
> I've tried and cannot be copied from the card to the hard disk.  I've
> tried the XP file manager, an third party file manager, Lightroom,
> Breeze Browser, Fastone Image Viewer, Nikon Capture 4, and Photoshop CS5
> - none of them can see the images in the strangely named files, and some
> don't even see the file.
>
> There are any number of "file recovery" software packages offered
> online, many of which offer a free look at what they can do, and several
> show images for all of the files on the card, including the funny ones.
> But all of the packages require purchase before you can download any of
> the "recovered" files.  I gather there are thumbnail images connected to
> NEF files, and I don't want to pay $50 for software that only recovers
> thumbnails.  (The pictures I print all end up as 8x8 inch B&W prints,
> some rather seriously cropped from the original, so a thumbnail won't be
> useful.)
>
> SO - does anyone have experience with software that has been reliable at
> recovering corrupted NEF files from CF cards?  If so, what did you use?
> (I HAVE downloaded and backed up the "good" files, but have not done
> anything but read from the CF card
>
> Thanks for any help.  These are among the most valuable images of the
> year as far as the family history is concerned, and if there's a way to
> save some or all of the ones with the funny names I'd sure like to.
> Willing to pay to get it done, but just want to be sure that it WILL get
> done if I pay for it.
>
> Cheers,
> Kip
>
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On 26/12/2012 19:12, Mark Savoia wrote:
> Download (purchase) a product call Photo Rescue. It works great. Will
> recover, if possible, all files on card. Not positive about NEFs. You can
> download the demo to try first. I have saved many of my customers rear ends.
> http://www.datarescue.com

Another vote for Photorescue here. Do some Googling, it invariably comes 
right at the top of the list for ability and reliability.
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

I've had good luck with the Sandisk program.


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Thanks to all for the suggestions.

Eric, my usual download routine is to use Breeze Downloader Pro, which 
dumps from the card to a folder called FROM CARDS and while doing so 
renames each image to my standard  YYYYMMDD HHMMSS file name.  I use a 
Windows file manager (Xplorer2, a dual-pane manager that mimics the old 
Norton Commander layout, although I have the feeling it's just a front 
end for Windows Explorer) to move the individual images from the From 
Cards folder to whatever folder they belong in.

I just started using Lightroom to process the 100-150 images I make into 
Christmas Books for family members - been doing it for about 25 years 
now, using Photoshop 7 up until this year for processing (Developing, in 
Lightroom speak) and QImage for printing.  I store images in folders 
named for the event covered and just use my regular file manager to keep 
track of things.  I haven't started using Lightroom for any of its 
database or printing functions yet. (I have had IMatch since I switched 
from film to digital - that's also an image database manager, but I only 
use it for its contact sheet making ability, primarily because it 
numbers sequentially and remembers the last number you used.)

I tried renaming the strangely-named files using my file manager, but 
get an error message "Cannot rename file:  Cannot read from the source 
file or disk."

Last night the camera showed 156 images on the card and I could see each 
one as I scrolled through.  Now, though, the camera only shows 93, which 
is how many "good" ones there were.  I have all 93 of 'em on my hard 
drive, so they're safe.

Mark and Tony - many thanks for the recommendation of Photo Rescue. It 
was less expensive that the other software I looked at last night (at 
least I think it was cheaper - I was prowling around at ~2AM this 
morning, and THINK everything I came across was $49, so the $29 for 
Photo Rescue was too good to pass up.)  It took two passes to recover 
everything on the card, but it found all 156 images, and I now have all 
of 'em on hard disk in apparently workable NEF format. I can see all 
images with my usual browsers, all imported into Lightroom without 
complaint, and I've done some Lightroom adjustments on several of the 
files that had bad names on the CF card, with perfectly normal looking 
results.

So I'm thinking I'm back in business.  BUT - FOLLOW UP QUESTION: This is 
the first time I've had this experience with either the D70 or the D100 
I used before - with ANY CF card.  I've probably used a dozen different 
cards over the years without incident - is this an indication that this 
particular CF card is bad, or is it just one of those gremlin or cosmic 
ray things that can happen and never happen again?  Even though this 
software recovered everything perfectly, I wouldn't want to have to 
count on being able to do that if this particular card is likely to do 
it again.

Again, thanks for all the help.

Cheers,
Kip

On 12/26/2012 1:19 PM, E.Neilsen wrote:
>
> Kip, What was the initial workflow to get them downloaded, Lr? It sounds
> like you might try renaming the files and get rid of the semi colon. 
> If you
> put the card in the camera, how many shots doe it show that you used? Do
> you want to post one some where?
>


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I suspect it was a hiccup in the file transfer or renaming of the files.   Are you transferring directly from the camera via usb cable or via a usb/compact flash card reader.   I strongly suggesting your not importing via NIKON software that you should a card reader.

Lastly I have had great recover results with the San Disk progam.

Paul
On Dec 26, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> wrote:

> Thanks to all for the suggestions.
> 
> Eric, my usual download routine is to use Breeze Downloader Pro, which 
> dumps from the card to a folder called FROM CARDS and while doing so 
> renames each image to my standard YYYYMMDD HHMMSS file name. I use a 
> Windows file manager (Xplorer2, a dual-pane manager that mimics the old 
> Norton Commander layout, although I have the feeling it's just a front 
> end for Windows Explorer) to move the individual images from the From 
> Cards folder to whatever folder they belong in.
> 
> I just started using Lightroom to process the 100-150 images I make into 
> Christmas Books for family members - been doing it for about 25 years 
> now, using Photoshop 7 up until this year for processing (Developing, in 
> Lightroom speak) and QImage for printing. I store images in folders 
> named for the event covered and just use my regular file manager to keep 
> track of things. I haven't started using Lightroom for any of its 
> database or printing functions yet. (I have had IMatch since I switched 
> from film to digital - that's also an image database manager, but I only 
> use it for its contact sheet making ability, primarily because it 
> numbers sequentially and remembers the last number you used.)
> 
> I tried renaming the strangely-named files using my file manager, but 
> get an error message "Cannot rename file: Cannot read from the source 
> file or disk."
> 
> Last night the camera showed 156 images on the card and I could see each 
> one as I scrolled through. Now, though, the camera only shows 93, which 
> is how many "good" ones there were. I have all 93 of 'em on my hard 
> drive, so they're safe.
> 
> Mark and Tony - many thanks for the recommendation of Photo Rescue. It 
> was less expensive that the other software I looked at last night (at 
> least I think it was cheaper - I was prowling around at ~2AM this 
> morning, and THINK everything I came across was $49, so the $29 for 
> Photo Rescue was too good to pass up.) It took two passes to recover 
> everything on the card, but it found all 156 images, and I now have all 
> of 'em on hard disk in apparently workable NEF format. I can see all 
> images with my usual browsers, all imported into Lightroom without 
> complaint, and I've done some Lightroom adjustments on several of the 
> files that had bad names on the CF card, with perfectly normal looking 
> results.
> 
> So I'm thinking I'm back in business. BUT - FOLLOW UP QUESTION: This is 
> the first time I've had this experience with either the D70 or the D100 
> I used before - with ANY CF card. I've probably used a dozen different 
> cards over the years without incident - is this an indication that this 
> particular CF card is bad, or is it just one of those gremlin or cosmic 
> ray things that can happen and never happen again? Even though this 
> software recovered everything perfectly, I wouldn't want to have to 
> count on being able to do that if this particular card is likely to do 
> it again.
> 
> Again, thanks for all the help.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip
> 
> On 12/26/2012 1:19 PM, E.Neilsen wrote:
> >
> > Kip, What was the initial workflow to get them downloaded, Lr? It sounds
> > like you might try renaming the files and get rid of the semi colon. 
> > If you
> > put the card in the camera, how many shots doe it show that you used? Do
> > you want to post one some where?
> >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Card reader is definitely the way to go

I have always imported images by removing the card from the camera and 
putting it in a card reader, either the one built into my computer or a 
separate one  (both are USB devices.)  In desperation I found a USB 
cable for camera/computer hookup and tried it, but it didn't help with 
reading the funny file names.

I have never used Nikon software for anything, although, again in 
desperation to get this issue resolved, I found a disk with a 30 day 
trial of Capture 4 (which must have come with one of my Nikon digital 
cameras) and installed it - but it couldn't read any of the bad file 
names either.

As for the SanDisk recovery program, I found references to it, and did 
look through my file of software CDs to see if I had already one from 
SanDisk that might have had the recovery program on it.  But couldn't 
find one in my archives, and in the course of looking for the program 
online came across a screen that said it was no longer supported by 
SanDisk and gave a link to some other company for support.  So I stopped 
looking at that point.

Cheers,
Kip

On 12/26/2012 7:01 PM, Paul Grant wrote:
> I suspect it was a hiccup in the file transfer or renaming of the files.   Are you transferring directly from the camera via usb cable or via a usb/compact flash card reader.   I strongly suggesting your not importing via NIKON software that you should a card reader.
>
> Lastly I have had great recover results with the San Disk progam.
>
> Paul
>

If you have Lightroom just use it. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> wrote:

> I have always imported images by removing the card from the camera and 
> putting it in a card reader, either the one built into my computer or a 
> separate one (both are USB devices.)  In desperation I found a USB 
> cable for camera/computer hookup and tried it, but it didn't help with 
> reading the funny file names.
> 
> I have never used Nikon software for anything, although, again in 
> desperation to get this issue resolved, I found a disk with a 30 day 
> trial of Capture 4 (which must have come with one of my Nikon digital 
> cameras) and installed it - but it couldn't read any of the bad file 
> names either.
> 
> As for the SanDisk recovery program, I found references to it, and did 
> look through my file of software CDs to see if I had already one from 
> SanDisk that might have had the recovery program on it. But couldn't 
> find one in my archives, and in the course of looking for the program 
> online came across a screen that said it was no longer supported by 
> SanDisk and gave a link to some other company for support. So I stopped 
> looking at that point.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip
> 
> On 12/26/2012 7:01 PM, Paul Grant wrote:
> > I suspect it was a hiccup in the file transfer or renaming of the files. Are you transferring directly from the camera via usb cable or via a usb/compact flash card reader. I strongly suggesting your not importing via NIKON software that you should a card reader.
> >
> > Lastly I have had great recover results with the San Disk progam.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> 
> 


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Hi Kip I just wondered if in camera editing to Tiffs would work if you still have the card as was? Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 27/12/2012 00:48, Kip Babington wrote:
> I've probably used a dozen different
> cards over the years without incident - is this an indication that this
> particular CF card is bad,

Very likely the card is fine.  A card functions just like a disk, and has 
the same frailties - vulnerability to damage of the MBR, partition table 
or FAT. The most common cause of corruption is turning off the camera or 
battery failure whilst the card is still being written. Another common 
cause is use at very low temperatures - standard cards can become 
unreliable below 0C, Sandisk Extreme can manage much lower temps.

It's also not unknown for the OS to get deranged and corrupt the 
filesystem. This occasionally happens because the camera mfr. firmware is 
slightly incompatible with some card mfr's implementation of the CF or 
SDHC standards. Canon at one time had a big problem with Lexar CF, and I 
think Nikon managed the same trick with Sandisk, but both were fixed by 
camera firmware updates.

Another issue that needs to be mentioned is that the vast majority (95% at 
least!) of Sandisk cards sold on eBay (and Amazon marketplace) are Chinese 
counterfeit. They are very close in appearance and often include retail 
packaging, but are cheap low-spec memory, often slow, and without Extreme 
low temperature resilience.

See http://martybugs.net/articles/fakesandisk.cgi for how to tell the 
difference.

If you have one of those, return to the seller for refund or throw it away.

If you have genuine Sandisk I'd suggest low-level formatting the card, 
which will pretty much return it to as-purchased condition. Photorescue 
used to make available a free utility called Cardwiper to do this, not 
sure whether they still do. Then format it in the camera and go and shoot 
test photos to fill the card. If there is no corruption, I'd regard the 
card as fine.

Actual card failures are extremely rare with good brands, and will be 
covered by guarantee. I've never actually seen a failed card in 10 years 
of pro use, though I've seen a few temporarily deranged ones that could 
not be recovered via USB because the PC could not recognise the card as a 
disk due to MBR or partition table damage so wouldn't mount it. People 
generally throw them away at that point but I bought an IDE card reader to 
deal with those. IDE makes it possible to use low level DOS tools.

If you can't find a copy of Cardwiper at photorescue.com (I couldn't last 
time I wanted to point someone to it) I don't think there is any 
illegality with me making it available at 
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6401455/cw103.zip

Be careful with Cardwiper, it will utterly wipe your card. That is all it 
does.

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Oh, and personally I strongly recommend Teracopy for copying or moving 
files. It is faster, more informative and more robust than the rubbish 
Copy and Move built into Windows. Can be paused and resumed. It checksums 
every file transfer and integrates with Explorer as a shell extension 
(=right mouse button option). It's particularly useful for huge copies of 
vast numbers of image files from one location to another because (unlike 
Win copy) it just doesn't screw up. And it's free.
http://download.cnet.com/TeraCopy/3000-2248_4-10671835.html

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

GOOD cards will even go through the washer and dryer and survive. We 
have all (here) done it at least once.

KIp-

You really need a workflow.  The key word is flow.

In a professional situation that would slow you immensely.

I had a problem like this when using a Fuji S3.  Same camera body I believe.  The problem was that one of the pins that engages the CF card pushed into the mount in the camera and was not making good contact with the CF card.  Sorry, no recovery was possible.

The camera had to be repaired.  The card holder replaced.

Ben

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, Paul Grant <studiopbg@...> wrote:

>
> If you have Lightroom just use it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have always imported images by removing the card from the camera and 
> > putting it in a card reader, either the one built into my computer or a 
> > separate one (both are USB devices.)  In desperation I found a USB 
> > cable for camera/computer hookup and tried it, but it didn't help with 
> > reading the funny file names.
> > 
> > I have never used Nikon software for anything, although, again in 
> > desperation to get this issue resolved, I found a disk with a 30 day 
> > trial of Capture 4 (which must have come with one of my Nikon digital 
> > cameras) and installed it - but it couldn't read any of the bad file 
> > names either.
> > 
> > As for the SanDisk recovery program, I found references to it, and did 
> > look through my file of software CDs to see if I had already one from 
> > SanDisk that might have had the recovery program on it. But couldn't 
> > find one in my archives, and in the course of looking for the program 
> > online came across a screen that said it was no longer supported by 
> > SanDisk and gave a link to some other company for support. So I stopped 
> > looking at that point.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Kip
> > 
> > On 12/26/2012 7:01 PM, Paul Grant wrote:
> > > I suspect it was a hiccup in the file transfer or renaming of the files. Are you transferring directly from the camera via usb cable or via a usb/compact flash card reader. I strongly suggesting your not importing via NIKON software that you should a card reader.
> > >
> > > Lastly I have had great recover results with the San Disk progam.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tony--

Cardwiper is at:

http://www.photorescue.net/downloadcardwiper.htm

(photorescue.net instead of .com)

-matt


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...>wrote:

> On 27/12/2012 00:48, Kip Babington wrote:
> > I've probably used a dozen different
> > cards over the years without incident - is this an indication that this
> > particular CF card is bad,
>
> Very likely the card is fine.  A card functions just like a disk, and has
> the same frailties - vulnerability to damage of the MBR, partition table
> or FAT. The most common cause of corruption is turning off the camera or
> battery failure whilst the card is still being written. Another common
> cause is use at very low temperatures - standard cards can become
> unreliable below 0C, Sandisk Extreme can manage much lower temps.
>
> It's also not unknown for the OS to get deranged and corrupt the
> filesystem. This occasionally happens because the camera mfr. firmware is
> slightly incompatible with some card mfr's implementation of the CF or
> SDHC standards. Canon at one time had a big problem with Lexar CF, and I
> think Nikon managed the same trick with Sandisk, but both were fixed by
> camera firmware updates.
>
> Another issue that needs to be mentioned is that the vast majority (95% at
> least!) of Sandisk cards sold on eBay (and Amazon marketplace) are Chinese
> counterfeit. They are very close in appearance and often include retail
> packaging, but are cheap low-spec memory, often slow, and without Extreme
> low temperature resilience.
>
> See http://martybugs.net/articles/fakesandisk.cgi for how to tell the
> difference.
>
> If you have one of those, return to the seller for refund or throw it away.
>
> If you have genuine Sandisk I'd suggest low-level formatting the card,
> which will pretty much return it to as-purchased condition. Photorescue
> used to make available a free utility called Cardwiper to do this, not
> sure whether they still do. Then format it in the camera and go and shoot
> test photos to fill the card. If there is no corruption, I'd regard the
> card as fine.
>
> Actual card failures are extremely rare with good brands, and will be
> covered by guarantee. I've never actually seen a failed card in 10 years
> of pro use, though I've seen a few temporarily deranged ones that could
> not be recovered via USB because the PC could not recognise the card as a
> disk due to MBR or partition table damage so wouldn't mount it. People
> generally throw them away at that point but I bought an IDE card reader to
> deal with those. IDE makes it possible to use low level DOS tools.
>
> If you can't find a copy of Cardwiper at photorescue.com (I couldn't last
> time I wanted to point someone to it) I don't think there is any
> illegality with me making it available at
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6401455/cw103.zip
>
> Be careful with Cardwiper, it will utterly wipe your card. That is all it
> does.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Tony Sleep
> http://tonysleep.co.uk
>
>
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On 27/12/2012 16:36, Matt Haber wrote:
> Cardwiper is at:
>
> http://www.photorescue.net/downloadcardwiper.htm

Thanks Matt. My Dropbox version therefore now removed.

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Well, I always THOUGHT I was pretty well organized on my image 
processing for an amateur, although I recognize that if I did this for a 
living I'd have to tighten things up.  My image transfer from camera to 
computer usually goes smoothly - card reader to FROM CARDS folder on the 
computer with rename in the process, then a move to a new folder named 
for the event.  (For Christmas Night there are two folders, one for the 
family candids and one for a family group shot that is the traditional 
first page of the photo books I make for family members every Christmas 
- this year there were 11 books totaling ~400 prints, each 8x8 B&W.)  I 
almost always do the move from the From Cards folder to the "permanent" 
one immediately because otherwise my nightly backup process copies the 
 From Cards images to my external backup drives.  Ideally, the From 
Cards folder is always empty except when it's receiving downloads from a 
card, so I periodically go through the external drives to empty the From 
Cards folders of any images they may hold.

I use an image browser - usually Breeze Browser but sometimes IMatch - 
to cull the discards, and I then use IMatch to produce contact sheets of 
the images left in each folder.  These contacts are 4 rows x 5 columns, 
with a footer that prints a sequential contact sheet number and  the 
name of the folder name the images are in.  Those contacts get printed 
(double sided), punched, and go into a 3 ring binder.

For the most part, that's the end of my "workflow" until the end of the 
year, when my wife and I go through the contact sheets for the year to 
select the images that go into the Christmas books.  That too is pretty 
well organized - she checks the images on the contact sheets that MIGHT 
be book-worthy, I copy all of the checked images into a subfolder called 
Preliminary Choices under a new folder XMAS Book YYYY.  The images in 
that subfolder get their own contact sheets through IMatch, but these 
have larger images, 3 rows x 4 columns, for better analysis.

My wife then goes through those larger-image contacts and picks the ones 
that will go into the books (subject to my veto if I don't think the 
quality meets my standards - none of her iphone images made the cut this 
year, for example, as they were just ugly when cropped for 8x8, rotated 
to straighten 'em up and converted to B&W - but my wife otherwise has 
authority over content and distribution).  The final choices again get 
copied to another sub-folder called Selected, get a prefix of 001-XXX 
added to the file name for ease of reference, and another set of 3x4 
contact sheets made.  From these contacts, my wife fills out worksheets 
(spreadsheets) I've developed with one line per image and a column for 
each family member who gets a book.  She puts the image number in column 
1 and just checks the box under any person who gets that image.  
(Actually, there are several other columns, that I use to keep track of 
which images have been printed, comments about processing, a Front/Rear 
column I use to keep track of the printing of our personal copy of the 
book, which contains every image that anybody got, and which is done 
double sided to save shelf space - I've been doing these books for ~30 
years, which takes a lot of linear feet - and so on.)  I use those 
worksheets to process the selected images into 8x8 B&W files that get 
sent to a sub-folder To Print, and and then to keep track of what is 
printed, cut and bound into the books.

The interim folders of images (Preliminary and Selected) get deleted 
when the books are done.  I archive the To Print folder in case I should 
ever want to re-do an image, although I never have.  The original 
contact sheets get removed from the 3 ring binder and put onto posts in 
covers for long term storage.  (All of the interim contact sheets are 
done on plain paper for economy, and are pitched when they've served 
their purpose.)  And the 3 ring binder is ready to accept the current 
year's contacts as they are made.

I know I could probably use Lightroom's database powers to create the 
interim groups of images that I now copy into the sub-folders 
Preliminary Choices and Selected, without actually creating duplicate 
files on disk, but I'd then have to figure out how to get the contact 
sheets made in Lightroom instead of using my familiar IMatch process.  I 
may spend some time in 2013 exploring the Lightroom contact sheet 
process, but unless I can equal the simplicity of the IMatch process 
(add a folder to the IMatch database using the wizard, select all the 
images in the folder with Ctrl-A, click Export to Contact Sheet, select 
the contact sheet template from a list that pops up - the last template 
used will be used again unless you select something else - and click OK, 
at which point the software figures out how many sheets are needed, 
generates the contact sheet images - as jpegs - with the sequential 
sheet number and folder name in the footer of each page, and writes each 
sheet as a separate file in the Contact Sheets folder with the sheet 
number in the file name) I probably will stick with what I know for that 
part of our annual process.

I found that Lightroom's capabilities did dramatically improve the 
"Development" part of the process this year, as compared to handling 
each image in Photoshop with a P/S filter for the B&W conversion 
(originally Convert B&W Pro, last year Nik Silver Efex) as I had been 
doing since my switch from film.  Just the "trick" of synchronizing a 
1:1 crop onto each image in the Selected folder with a single keystroke 
made the whole process FEEL smoother and quicker.  Not having to go out 
to Photoshop for more than a handful of images that needed pixel level 
work sped things up, once I got comfortable with Lightroom's B&W 
options.  Not having to Save each image when I was done with it was 
another time saver. Periodically I just exported JPEGs to the To Print 
folder on the laptop that runs QImage and handles the printers in my old 
darkroom.  All of this kept things feeling like they were FLOWing.

So that's my process.  For those few times during the year when a few 
images need to be processed and printed I just do 'em one or a few at a 
time.  But mostly mine is an annual "business".

I welcome any suggestions for improving this workflow, especially any 
that can take advantage of Lightroom, which I admit I basically use only 
for its Develop functions, using the Library screen only to import 
(because it's required in order to be able to Develop) and to export to 
the printers.  I probably want to keep running the print functions on my 
separate laptop, in part because the printers are remote from the 
desktop on which the images are stored and processed, and also because 
of the QImage software for which I have developed a wide variety of 
templates.  Like the Xmas book pages, with an 8x8 at one end with 1/4 
inch margins and the file name printed at the other short end - the file 
name gets used as I sort the stack of prints into the 11 stacks 
(actually, old paper boxes) for each recipient, and is then cut off when 
the pages are trimmed for the slightly wider margin that takes the 
binding.  There's another template for the back side of the page, for 
our double sided book.  And the template for the Christmas cards, with 
two 4.5 x 4.5 images and two 1.5 x 4.5 greetings - just drag the images 
into the appropriate "holes" in the template and the current year's 
greeting into the other holes, select Print and enter how many copies 
you want.  They come out spaced so a 5 inch setting on my cutter fence 
splits the two card images and then trims the second one to the correct 
width, and a 7 inch cut takes off the excess at the bottom, giving a 
pair of 5x7 cards from one letter size page.  Would these kinds of 
things be easy to set up in Lightroom?

Thanks for any who can wade through this stuff, and thanks in advance 
for any suggestions.  Even if it's a suggestion to go read something 
specific about workflows.  The whole process has become enough of a pain 
(although SO much easier in digital than it was in a wet darkroom) that 
I'm always open to suggestions for improvements.

Cheers,
Kip


On 12/27/2012 8:30 AM, Seth Rossman wrote:
>
> KIp-
>
> You really need a workflow. The key word is flow.
>
> In a professional situation that would slow you immensely.
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Neither the PC nor the Mac download links on that page work for me. I'm 
using Firefox.

Cheers,
Kip

On 12/27/2012 10:36 AM, Matt Haber wrote:
> Tony--
>
> Cardwiper is at:
>
> http://www.photorescue.net/downloadcardwiper.htm
>
> (photorescue.net instead of .com)
>
> -matt

Thanks for pointing that out! I guess we're back to the files that Tony
posted.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> wrote:

> Neither the PC nor the Mac download links on that page work for me. I'm
> using Firefox.
>
> Cheers,
> Kip
>
> On 12/27/2012 10:36 AM, Matt Haber wrote:
> > Tony--
> >
> > Cardwiper is at:
> >
> > http://www.photorescue.net/downloadcardwiper.htm
> >
> > (photorescue.net instead of .com)
> >
> > -matt
>
>
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On 27/12/2012 17:27, Kip Babington wrote:
> Neither the PC nor the Mac download links on that page work for me. I'm
> using Firefox.

Aargh. Dead link to the server. That rings a bell, and maybe is the 
problem I had last time around. OK, my Dropbox copy of the PC version is 
back at https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6401455/cw103.zip

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Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Well, I formatted the card after I got all the images off, so it's 
really academic at this point.  But I'm not sure how I would have edited 
a RAW to a TIFF inside the camera, should I want to.  I shoot in RAW, 
but didn't know there was an option to convert a file before it's 
downloaded.  Is that something that Nikon Capture does?  Or is it 
something you do if you download directly from the camera to the computer?

 From a file handling standpoint, I would think RAW files are preferable 
as long as the editing software can handle it (which Lightroom can) 
since that supposedly leaves the maximum amount of flexibility for 
editing.  Besides, TIFFs are usually MUCH bigger than the RAW files, IIRC.

Cheers,
Kip


On 12/27/2012 3:59 AM, Brian Parkhurst wrote:
>
> Hi Kip I just wondered if in camera editing to Tiffs would work if you 
> still have the card as was? Brian
>



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