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2010-04-18 by Lew Schwartz
Since I seem to be running through this stuff fairly rapidly, can anyone recommend substitutes for the K3 black inks? They'd have to work along side the other K3 inks since I do very little color printing. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-18 by pdesmidt tds.net
I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-18 by shileshjani
I would suggest ConeColor because: (1) they explicitly state they can be used comingled with EOM K3, and (2) ConeColor K, LK, and LLK are reported to be color balanced similar to OEM K3. MIS K4 LK, and LLK are considerably brownish in color compared to the warm/green EOM (and therefore ConeColor). Hope this helps. Shilesh --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pdesmidt tds.net" <pdesmidt@...> wrote:
> > I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2010-04-18 by Lew Schwartz
Pardon my math, but at $89 for 8 oz (237ml), which is slightly more than 220ml, where's the savings over the 220 ml cart from BH for $77? If there are other reasons, please educate me. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote: > > > I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-18 by mrjimbo
Lew, Your pricing is not correct.. Jons K3 blacks are about 45.00 for an 8 oz bottle / 75 for the 16oz and just under 125 for the 32oz or 1000ml... which ends up about 30 bucks a cart.. jimbo ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3rd party refills for K3 Black inks > Pardon my math, but at $89 for 8 oz (237ml), which is slightly more than > 220ml, where's the savings over the 220 ml cart from BH for $77? If there > are other reasons, please educate me. > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> > wrote: > >> >> >> I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-04-18 by Lew
Ok. I was looking at the ink/cart combos.
-----Original Message----- From: "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:19:55 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3rd party refills for K3 Black inks Lew, Your pricing is not correct.. Jons K3 blacks are about 45.00 for an 8 oz bottle / 75 for the 16oz and just under 125 for the 32oz or 1000ml... which ends up about 30 bucks a cart.. jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3rd party refills for K3 Black inks > Pardon my math, but at $89 for 8 oz (237ml), which is slightly more than > 220ml, where's the savings over the 220 ml cart from BH for $77? If there > are other reasons, please educate me. > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> > wrote: > >> >> >> I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-18 by Lew Schwartz
So do the opened and unopened bottles have different shelf lives? On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM, mrjimbo <mrjimbo@...> wrote: > > > Lew, > Your pricing is not correct.. Jons K3 blacks are about 45.00 for an 8 oz > bottle / 75 for the 16oz and just under 125 for the 32oz or 1000ml... which > > ends up about 30 bucks a cart.. > > jimbo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716@... <lew1716%40gmail.com>> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3rd party refills for K3 Black inks > > > Pardon my math, but at $89 for 8 oz (237ml), which is slightly more than > > 220ml, where's the savings over the 220 ml cart from BH for $77? If there > > are other reasons, please educate me. > > > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...<pdesmidt%40tds.net>> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources > as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this > same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > > membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > > > the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > > section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > > > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-18 by mrjimbo
I'm not the right guy to answer this but assuming you use a fair amount of ink and you mix / shake the jug everytime you use some to insure against settling I would thing you'd be just fine for up to a couple of years as long as your bottle is sealed ok.. jimbo ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3rd party refills for K3 Black inks > So do the opened and unopened bottles have different shelf lives? > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM, mrjimbo <mrjimbo@...> wrote: > >> >> >> Lew, >> Your pricing is not correct.. Jons K3 blacks are about 45.00 for an 8 oz >> bottle / 75 for the 16oz and just under 125 for the 32oz or 1000ml... >> which >> >> ends up about 30 bucks a cart.. >> >> jimbo >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716@... <lew1716%40gmail.com>> >> To: >> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 3rd party refills for K3 Black inks >> >> > Pardon my math, but at $89 for 8 oz (237ml), which is slightly more >> > than >> > 220ml, where's the savings over the 220 ml cart from BH for $77? If >> > there >> > are other reasons, please educate me. >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM, pdesmidt tds.net >> > <pdesmidt@...<pdesmidt%40tds.net>> >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I'd look into Cone Color or MIS 4K. >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > >> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources >> as >> > they are often being updated. >> > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> > >> > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this >> same >> > page. >> > >> > Please follow these basic guidelines: >> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep >> > them short. >> > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2010-04-18 by Lew Schwartz
Just placed my order. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-18 by mark sloane
Fortunately I haven't had any real problems for a couple of years but I have finally run into one that has me stumped.
I have a 1400, use QTR with a CIS and many of my images are suddenly looking like a topographical map! Where the tonality changes from one shade to another, instead of it being a smooth/blended transition it is is more like a map where the altitude of the terrain is changing.
The heads are clean ( only one or two lines missing which should not be enough to really screw up a print, right?), but when I do a print head alignment, the first line across prints boldly like it should but line 2 and three are printed so light I can't really see them. I've done this enough times in the past to know all three lines should print boldly.
I switched out my CIS and put the OEM color inks in and the prints and tests came out fine, (not sure I did a printhead alignment but the color image was fine).
Then I completely cleaned the printer as per Dana's terrific video on youtube and reinserted the continuous inks.
Good nozzle check, no line 2 & 3 on the print head alignment and the images are still like the topographical maps.
It would appear that the printer is OK and the problem is in the CIS or the inks. But if the CIS wasn't delivering the ink or the inks had too much sediment despite the fact that I shake both the bottles and the carts, then I wouldn't get a good nozzle check.
I'm so lost and could really use some help. Does this problem sound familiar to anyone?
Mark Sloane
925 820 4112 Home
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-04-19 by Frank
Could you give me a link to the video? Thanks Frank --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, mark sloane <marksuesloane@...> wrote: > Then I completely cleaned the printer as per Dana's terrific video on youtube and reinserted the continuous inks. >
2010-04-19 by johnvphoto
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > > I would suggest ConeColor because: (1) they explicitly state they can be used comingled with EOM K3, and (2) ConeColor K, LK, and LLK are reported to be color balanced similar to OEM K3. Any problems with using Epson and Cone carts at the same time? I have a 4800 and all the light inks will be replaced soon. Read on here about some conflicts using both brands at the same time.
2010-04-19 by mark sloane
Frank, Here ya go...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUysQFDH6u0&feature=player_embedded Mark Sloane 925 820 4112 Home --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Frank <frankp0@...> wrote:
From: Frank <frankp0@...>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 1400 CIS issue
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 4:35 AM
Could you give me a link to the video? Thanks
Frank
--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, mark sloane <marksuesloane@ ...> wrote:
> Then I completely cleaned the printer as per Dana's terrific video on youtube and reinserted the continuous inks.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-04-19 by mark sloane
Frank, Here ya go..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUysQFDH6u0&feature=player_embedded Mark Sloane 925 820 4112 Home --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Frank <frankp0@...> wrote:
From: Frank <frankp0@...>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 1400 CIS issue
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 4:35 AM
Could you give me a link to the video? Thanks
Frank
--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, mark sloane <marksuesloane@ ...> wrote:
> Then I completely cleaned the printer as per Dana's terrific video on youtube and reinserted the continuous inks.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2010-04-19 by Lew Schwartz
Hey John.... "Read on here about some conflicts using both brands at the same time." ... read what, where? Thanks. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM, johnvphoto <jvlist@...> wrote: > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, > "shileshjani" <janishilesh@...> wrote: > > > > I would suggest ConeColor because: (1) they explicitly state they can be > used comingled with EOM K3, and (2) ConeColor K, LK, and LLK are reported to > be color balanced similar to OEM K3. > > Any problems with using Epson and Cone carts at the same time? I have a > 4800 and all the light inks will be replaced soon. Read on here about some > conflicts using both brands at the same time. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-04-19 by johnvphoto
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew Schwartz <lew1716@...> wrote: > > Hey John.... > "Read on here about some conflicts using both brands at the same time." ... > read what, where? Some members were having problems with using Epson and thrid-party carts together in one printer at the same time. Meaning... they were getting cart errors because all the carts were not from one manufacturer.