Digital BW, The Print

Yes. I used their monochrome quad and small gamut inks for years, back
in the days before I was happy with the Cone or Mis pigments. The
metamerism is bad. The strange test results they have on their website
are retarded looking. They promised me for 2 years that they would
publish reliable permanence data on the Small Gamut set. I don't think
they ever did. I moved on a long time agao. They alway had some sad
excuse about the metamerism in these dyes. I belive the last thing
Tony Martin wrote me was, oh we don't consider this reddening under
tungsten light to be actually metamerism, we think of it as just the
way things actually look under incandescent light. 

Please. 

And, yes their color pigments suffer from metamerism too (which are in
the small gamut set along with monochrome dyes). Their whole thing was
promoting that their dyes did better on glossy media which is a non
issue these days.

As to their Cave Paints pigments - I can only wonder who actually
makes them. 

john



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999"
<lulalake_1999@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alanrew42" 
> <Alan-Rew@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
> > <E.Dinkla@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry Heath wrote:
> > > > http://www.marrutt.com/digital-ink-myths-2.php
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Is there any doubt that the person writing the article above 
> > would be saying what is said?
> > > > 
> > > > Tony Martin is President of Lyson USA.
> > > > 
> > > > A premier purveyor of dye based inks.
> > <snip>
> > 
> > Larry, I totally agree, that's the most important point about this
> > article, the author is bound to be an evangelist for dye based inks
> > and whatever papers they have been tested with. Although the article
> > is very well written, it should be taken with a large pinch of salt
> > (not a grain, as Paul R suggested :-)).
> > 
> > Having said that, the author omitted to mention metamerism problems
> > with pigments, which makes me wonder whether Lyson dyes also suffer
> > from this problem.
> > 
> 
> 
> Not to forget that Lyson has no problem selling a full line of pig 
> inks that Tony is now disparaging.
> 
> No wonder they caved (no pun intended) and sold out.
> 
> Jules
>