Digital BW, The Print

My view is that paper marketers (seems there are few paper manufacturers who
market their own product to retail) simply need to be open as to their
products.  I don't mind if Brand A says "we outsource the mill component to
X according to our specs and coating to Y designed by us or Z."  The point
is there is a quality product (with longevity testing) and there is openness
as to how it's produced.  Anyone who markets another's products as their own
"proprietary" solutions is going to see less interest from me.  I found
Diana's disclosure a month or so ago refreshing and I would encourage more.
My bet is that Innova designed a coating (not a substrate) and that the same
combination is now being marketed by several different businesses as their
own. 


> From: john dean <deanwork2003@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:11:12 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glitter in some paper coatings (Innova, Eterna,
> Permajet)
> 
> That is a realistic description of what is going on. Unfortunately (
> or fortunately depending on how you want to view it) nothing in this
> industry remains static. Trying to find out about a paper co's supply
> source, coating composition, or an ink suppliers routines is like
> trying to view a moving target. I've given up. My approach is to use
> someting until I have negative issues. If I have repetitive negative
> concerns I drop a product and move on. But that is why forums like
> this are so valuable. We can relate both the good the bad in real
> time. Price is always a factor as is consistency, and Ernst is right,
> this isn't Germany during the Renaissance - the quality control had to
> be much worse then. But I have to say I have had nothing but perfect
> consistency with Hahnemuhle, for whatever reason.
> 
> John
> 
>> There's little chance you will get all the deals going on at
>> the table. In coatings, substrate, machines used etc. This is
>> a modern industry despite the 1500 AC labels on the packaging.
>> For inks it isn't different. Even new software these days may
>> be relabeled 6 years old technology.
>> 
>>                     --
>>            Ernst Dinkla
>> 
>> 
>> www.pigment-print.com