My advice would be the same as B. Campbell. If Super A3 is big enough then get a 2200 and an MIS Eboni black cart and give the BO workflow a go. Looks really good (some even say better than some other "smoother" workflows) and if you decide not you can still pursue other options and little has been spent either time or money-wise. Do not get caught up in "theory" of which is best and it seems some are not focusing on what you are asking for: Although Image Quality is your number one consideration (for who is image quality not?) it's quite subjective. That's for you to decide. Key in your request are simplicity and cost. BO is the king for those (yes, a CFS is cheaper in the long run, but sends the Simplicity aspect out the window). And it has Longevity as well (with the right papers, like any workflow). Take it from one who has been through the route of MIS Full Specturm inks, Randall Curves, CFS systems, Cone drivers, etc. No matter what everyone says the more complex workflows rarely go easily and smoothly at first and there is often a tedious learning/testing curve. Once you've got it, yes, you're set. But oh the bother. And the paper. And the ink. But some are into testing and the puzzle of it all. I got good results from my 1160 and using the various workflows of Randall curves, Cone drivers, etc. And for a time enjoyed testing and tweaking, etc. But it was too inconsistent in the end. Now I'm a BO die-hard but am also immensely enjoying the new Windows QTR as well. Both could not be simpler! Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: B. Campbell <bellis60@...> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:43:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital B&W Printing--Which method? To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com Obviously you're going to get many different suggestions, you'll just have to pick the one that seems best to you. But just so the message below doesn't put you off of black only entirely, I've had none of the problems mentioned in that message when I've used black only with the Epson 2200 printer and MIS Eboni black ink. The prints look, to my eyes at least, very good and are more consistently neutral than the prints I get using MIS VM inks in my Epson 1280 printer. While I wouldn't tell you that black only is the best way to go, it is an easy, inexpensive way. Even if you don't like the results, all you've spent on it is about $10 for the Eboni cartridge and a few minutes of time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Meeuwsen" <lipshurt@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital B&W Printing--Which method? well, I give my vote to mis UT ink using the driver/sliders method. Super easy, and look real good, work on lots of papers. Just have to dial them in on your papers, which is pretty easy by trial and error. Looks better than black-only, which was not really that simple when I tried it. Black-only has problems with dither banding on certain dark areas which can ruin a print. quadtone rip seemed to work exactly as well as the sliders method, only 4 times slower. Paul roarks curves method is cool too for more control, but for me, the sliders give plenty of control. 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Re: [Digital BW] Digital B&W Printing--Which method?
2004-09-16 by Richard Sintchak