Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: ps 6/7 bug:print change confirmed


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@j...>
>
> > > Strange that I'm the only one that can print a difference.
> > >
> > Something is going on in your system. It is just a matter of
> isolating it.
> > Are you running the most recent version of the 1280 driver? Since
> W2k and
> > W98 use different versions of the driver I wonder if that could be a
> factor.
>
>
> I think it's version 6.0be. I downloaded file "sph12809598me60be.exe"
> on Jan 3, 2002.

That's the latest one, so I guess that factor is eliminated.
>

(snip)
> >
> > I would agree. Even if there is a registry entry point to a
> different
> > version if it is not on your hard drive it should not be an issue. I
> really
> > don't like to mess with the registry directly in any case.
>
>
> Well there is one other piece of dirty laundry I'll air, since we're
> Sherlocking my computer. I started using Photocal along with a new
> monitor a couple of months ago. Except I have a photocal bug- it goes
> through the pushups, then dumps out and won't save my profile after
> the first time. In fact it tries to hide the original Photocal
> profile. The photocal upper tech told me that it was not a problem
> with their software but that my color subfolder didn't match my
> registry. I didn't want to face fixing that so the work around is to
> backup registry, then delete one key that references the photocal
> profile, then run photocal, and manually associate the profile with
> the monitor when done. I really don't mind the workaround.
>
> This probably has no bearing on anything whatsoever, but I add it for
> completeness sake, since we are talking matching up profiles to
> registry entries.

For cleaning up something like this I have had good luck with Norton
WinDoctor part of Norton's System Works. Seems to do a good job of tracking
down problem entries in the registry and fixing them safely.
>
> <snip>
>  or will something like a transform curve work? Or just squint
> a
> > > little if the diff is negilible. The only real problem I have with
> my
> > > one image is posterization, I don't mind too much that PS7 makes
> it
> > > darker. Or should Paul redo the curves? I thought the specs on MIS
> > > site for PC still said to use srgb.
> >
> > I think you have to give it a try. I would expect some differences
> but they
> > may be image dependent. Perhaps do your print from sRGB and then a
> print
> > from Adobe RGB and then tweak the Adobe RGB to match. This might
> lead you to
> > a single curve or levels action you could just apply to all your
> images that
> > you have adjusted to work from sRGB.
>
> See my last post. I am mystefied by the microbanding...

That is weird. I guess all you can do is try a file that is derived from a
neg and scan rather than a digital camera and see what you get.
(snip)
>
> In a way, I look hopefully toward the 2200 if it truely gives a one
> stop one vendor solution. The cynic in me is whispering that something
> will go wrong...orange prints, $$$$prints, metamerism, dull blacks, I
> don't want to think of all the things maybe promised, maybe delivered,
> maybe not.

Ditto. I suspect that metamerism will be the killer and the advertised life
of the prints is not going to compete in a silver dominated world.
>
>
(snip)
>
> Yes wise. What was that about the booze? Here in Colorado with all the
> fires you know we need some cooling down. Margueritas? Salt?

Just grab some of your favorite poison, go side out in the sun for awhile
and don't think about any of this for awhile. Sovereign remedy for inkjet
printing.
>
> > >
> > > If so, it would be wise to convert ALL my images (that show a
> > > difference, if I can tell that without printing every one over)
> now in
> > > PS6, and store them up on a bunch of CD's, so that the magic
> > > conversion is already done when opened again, so I can use Paul's
> > > curves to print in PS7, PS8, etc.
> >
> > I would just address them one by one as they come up. If you are
> reprinting
> > the image a year from now the odds are very high that you will have
> a
> > different batch of paper, possibly a different ink set or certainly
> a
> > different batch and even maybe a new printer model. Given all of
> that you
> > are going to need to make adjustments to your image file and the
> added
> > adjustments you need to make for the switch to Adobe RGB from sRGB
> will be a
> > small part of that process. Just keep moving forward. There is too
> much to
> > do to go back and compensate for a color space change in all you
> files until
> > you need to do it.
>
>
> Yeah, I got a little frustrated. It's no different then the darkroom,
> just a little less wet. I'm just going to print this image out in
> PS6/srgb cause it looks best that way now. I'll switch over to
> PS7/Adobe98 NEXT time I do a real print and see if the microbanding
> shows up, I'm rationing my ink now, can't waste anymore til after
> vacation.

Good luck and have a great vacation!

Martin