Digital BW, The Print

>> Sorry Jim, I'm not familiar with Pauls workflows, do you set color
>> management to (no color adjustment) in PS6?
> 
> 
> In the dialogue box for Epson printer, under "advanced", color
> management--->"color controls" is selected- not no color management.
> Then in the last dialogue box before print starts, the source is
> selected as sRGB and printer space is selected as "same as source".
> Does that answer your question? I'm a little blurry as to what other
> color management you might be asking about.

Little different on the Mac, in advanced, there is "color management" that
is where "no color management" or "automatic" are choosen.

If you are using a workflow that is epson driver setting dependant and sRGB
as your source space and "same as source" as your printer space, then it's
probably set to automatic.


> 
>> 
>> In PS7 when you choose color management > source/print spaces and
>> intent,
>> then go back to the print driver dialogue it doesn't allow you to
> >choose "no
>> color adjustment"  like in PS6..  So is PS7 assuming "no color
> >adjustment"
>> when a source/print space is selected?
> 
> If I understand your question, as in PS6 I have the "advanced"
> dialouge box color management set to the "color controls" radio
> button. In fact to avoid mistakes I just saved all of Paul's settings
> so I can choose them from a pull down menu on the "details"
> tab--->custom radio button. The saved settings come up in both PS6 and
> PS7.

I'd have to go see his settings then. I assume this workflow was created
before switching to the "no color adjustment" one.


>> I'm going to have to actually read the manual. Something is strange
> to me.
> 
> 
> I'm quite wandering around in a fog myself. I can't explain why the
> prints are different in PS6 and PS7, but the possible causes for it
> (wrong settings selected etc) seem to be disapearing.
> 
>> 
>> When printing from PS7, using a source and print space, the print
>> dialogue
>> is set in stone at automatic. This is not the same as PS6.  I have
> >not
>> noticed this before today as I print thru pressready.
> 
> 
> Well, if you're talking about the choice above the sliders in the
> advanced dialogue box(?), it's set at "automatic" PS6 or PS7 for me. I
> also have a "vivid" and "photo-realistic" mode in both PS6 And PS7. If
> you're talking about selecting source space and print space, both you
> and Martin pointed out to me how I could do that through print with
> preview, and the print is still posterized as I said<shrug>.

There it is. Thank you... set at "automatic"

the PS7 manual indicates that when you choose your printer space (in this
case you are using sRGB ) and your source space (again you are using sRGB =
same as source) then "NO additional conversions will be performed on the
colors of the document when it is printed."  ----that from the manual.

So for a moment I thought it was perhaps ignoring the color management
dialogue settings in the print dialogue and using "no color management" no
matter if the input was set to "automatic"

a small test like that set to "no color management" from PS6 would show you
if this were the case in PS7... the PS6 print should look like the PS7 you
are getting if the PS7 printer were indeed ignoring the "auto" input.

I tried this, but with my color press proof I'm running right now thru my
1200, same print, from PS6 and PS7, using both set at print space AdobeRGB,
source space same as source... both on NCA (which is the better print) and
then both on auto (which produce a lighter non-representational print as is
the case when in printing same as source without printer profile
involvement)

No, I didn't convert anything for those, just wanted to test that thought,
that PS7 was somehow treating the file differently thru the color managment
dialogue. apparently not.  Those set to auto were identical, those set to
NCA were identical.

Then I converted both crops to sRGB, one in PS6 and one in PS7, the histos
again showed the same variance, but the prints, printed the same as above
only with the sRGB space chooses, printed indentically.  Although there is
that slight difference in the way the two versions handle the conversion I
don't see it in these prints.

Did the same thru pressready, to cmyk profile, identical prints.

I can't print with quads tonight, one printer is down, another set up for
press at the moment... and others just are what they are... but was curious
about the conversion differences with relation to the prints.  any prints.

> Please, thank you. My workaround is simply to print in PS6, but I
> really don't understand what is happening and it is time for wiser
> folks than me to look at this. I see it but I don't believe that I'm
> really the first to have stumbled on this. We should have heard of it
> before now. But I'm running out of ideas of how I could have messed
> some setting up.

When you try printing with the epson inks I'll be curious to hear of your
results. 

Carolyn