Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn Frayn 
<carolynfrayn@s...> wrote:
> 
> > I just ran a third print through using PS7 going through print 
with
> > preview. I did have to set to "color management"; when I did this 
the
> > source came up as sRGB and destination came up as same as source. 
I
> > went to print button from that dialouge and compared the fresh 
print
> > to the other two, already three hours drying.
> 
> Sorry Jim, I'm not familiar with Pauls workflows, do you set color
> management to (no color adjustment) in PS6?


In the dialogue box for Epson printer, under "advanced", color 
management--->"color controls" is selected- not no color management. 
Then in the last dialogue box before print starts, the source is 
selected as sRGB and printer space is selected as "same as source". 
Does that answer your question? I'm a little blurry as to what other 
color management you might be asking about.

> 
> In PS7 when you choose color management > source/print spaces and 
intent,
> then go back to the print driver dialogue it doesn't allow you to 
choose "no
> color adjustment"  like in PS6..  So is PS7 assuming "no color 
adjustment"
> when a source/print space is selected?

If I understand your question, as in PS6 I have the "advanced" 
dialouge box color management set to the "color controls" radio 
button. In fact to avoid mistakes I just saved all of Paul's settings 
so I can choose them from a pull down menu on the "details" 
tab--->custom radio button. The saved settings come up in both PS6 and 
PS7.

> 
> I'm going to have to actually read the manual. Something is strange 
to me.


I'm quite wandering around in a fog myself. I can't explain why the 
prints are different in PS6 and PS7, but the possible causes for it 
(wrong settings selected etc) seem to be disapearing.

> 
> When printing from PS7, using a source and print space, the print 
dialogue
> is set in stone at automatic. This is not the same as PS6.  I have 
not
> noticed this before today as I print thru pressready.


Well, if you're talking about the choice above the sliders in the 
advanced dialogue box(?), it's set at "automatic" PS6 or PS7 for me. I 
also have a "vivid" and "photo-realistic" mode in both PS6 And PS7. If 
you're talking about selecting source space and print space, both you 
and Martin pointed out to me how I could do that through print with 
preview, and the print is still posterized as I said<shrug>.

> 
> That would certainly change your file, if one were actually using 
auto and
> the other "no color adjustment"... again though, I use NCA in my 
work flows
> with profiles etc but don't know how your workflow is effected.

But since I don't have "no color adjustment" radio button selected 
in either 6 or 7...
 
> 
> 
> 
> > Can the color space specification have changed for sRGB in PS7 so 
that
> > it's really being converted to a "different"  sRGB space then Paul
> > had origianally tuned his curve to?
> > Jim H. 
> 
> 
> I thought perhaps it was converting / mapping differently, but not 
that the
> spaces are different.

Yeah, I realized after I typed that that it was not the case, since 
Martin gets diferences in the final histogram using Adobe 98 space 
instead of sRGB (although smaller deviations then I get).


 Also checked the older engines... but same 
variances.
> That subtle difference should not be leading to such a difference in 
your
> print in my opinion. So I wonder if it is the above.  I'll check the 
manual,
> and perhaps a post to adobe forums... or search for further info 
there.


Please, thank you. My workaround is simply to print in PS6, but I 
really don't understand what is happening and it is time for wiser 
folks than me to look at this. I see it but I don't believe that I'm 
really the first to have stumbled on this. We should have heard of it 
before now. But I'm running out of ideas of how I could have messed 
some setting up.
Jim H.

> 
> Or if this has been discussed I missed it...
> 
> Carolyn