Digital BW, The Print

To Update on this R1800 Set up:

Once past some delays, have now set up the R1800 as advised with the EB6 + a single MK in the PK position and + the Blue toner ,(the light blue from MIS),  in the GL position. The MK and Toner each have their own profiles so I can bring them into the print as needed. With Print Tool split toning I can print from the straight Eboni 1.1 warm all the way through a very pleasing neutral and all the way to a dark cool. Just a terrific flexible set up and kudos as always to Paul R for the guidance and encouragement.

Jerry
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On Mon, 11/14/16, jerry dungan <jerry_4y@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Digital BW] eboni 6 & R2000 ink positions
 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, November 14, 2016, 8:57 PM
 
 This is a very insightful reply and
 really nicely spells out the pitfalls of where I was headed
 with the Eboni 6 VT + 3MK. As I want to produce neutral
 prints as the first objective, the warning about the
 probable too warm output comes at just the right time as I
 haven't committed to the first set up runs. I'll now set up
 with the standard Eb6, with the 2 MK's and the toner
 substituting for the 3rd MK. As for the microbanding with
 the 1.5pl droplet, I ran across that unpleasant output on
 some negatives that where banding making them useless.There
 was some remedy from a technique suggested by Roy Harrington
 in 2005 to print at 2880dpi and adjust the Ink Limit Adjust
 to ~ -30. I dropped the boost K and upped the ink values a
 tad and all that seemed to help as the microbanding
 disappeared.  But I never went on and printed out a
 variety of images to see how those were affected by the
 technique. 
 
 So for this initial set up, it'll be EB6 + MK + Toner and
 see how it turns out. Lastly, is the toner the Canon Lucia
 referenced in your EB6 + R1800 paper or is there a
 compatible alternate blue toner ink that will work as
 well?  
 
 So thanks as always for the insight and encouragement.
 
 Jerry
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 On Sun, 11/13/16, Paul Roark roark.paul@...
 [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] eboni 6 & R2000 ink
 positions
  To: "DigitalB&WPrint" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 7:03 PM
  
  
   
  
  
  
    
  
  
      
        
        
        
  
  On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at
  11:12 AM, jerry dungan ​... wrote:
  ​>I'll set the R1800 up
  the following way, putting in the original idea >of the
 2% instead of a toner at
  Y, and see how it goes:
  ​>​2% 
  ​>​6%
  ​>​9%
  ​>​MK
  ​>​MK
  ​>​18%
  ​>​30%
  ​>​MK
  ​It'll be warm.  My going to
  a toner, in part, reflected the fact that I was not happy
  with the way Eboni v.1.1 printed on inkjet paper.  Arches
  is still able to make a 100% carbon print that is within
  what I believe people see as "neutral."​  Most
  coated inkjet paper is no longer there; thus the
  toner.
  >And definitely Yes, QTR is the
  easier way to go.​
  
  If you are proficient in QTR, then
  you can put inks in almost any position.  You'll also
  be able to put  the toner in one of the spots that has MK
  in it.
  I was not a huge fan of the 3MK
  approach.  It was something that many liked because it
  allowed them to have color printing with matte paper as
 well
  as 100% carbon printing that was almost dead neutral. 
 MK,
  not diluted, is still very neutral.  The 3 positions were
  needed to hide microbanding.  
  What I'd probably end up doing
  with such a printer now is have only 2 MK positions --
  needed for best Arches printing as well as useful for
 making
  dilute Eb6 100% carbon prints more neutral by having one
 of
  the MK inks be a "Black Only" type ink, but used
  more as a "toner" to pull the warmer dilute ink
  image toward neutral.  Note that while 2 MKs were needed
 to
  hide microbanding when MK was the only ink, where the full
  Eb6 inks are also in the mix, a single MK is going to be a
  smoother way to pull the 100% carbon image toward neutral
  than using the full 3MK profiles in conjunction with an
 Eb6
  profile.  As such, I'd put the toner where the third MK
  would be.  I'd use only QTR to print.  
  This is all easy to do piecemeal. 
  An Eb6 plus 3MK setup allows you to see how each approach
  works.  If you want more neutrality, the toner can be
  easily added later.
  Paulwww.PaulRoark.com 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
   
  
  
  
    
  
  
      
        
        
        Paul,
  
   
  
  Thanks as always for your time on an answer for a well
  running but older system. I'll set the R1800 up the
  following way, putting in the original idea of the 2%
  instead of a toner at Y, and see how it goes:
  
  
  
  2% 
  
  6%
  
  9%
  
  MK
  
  MK
  
  18%
  
  30%
  
  MK
  
  
  
  And definitely Yes, QTR is the easier way to go.
  
  
  
  Jerry
  
  
  
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  On Sun, 11/13/16, Paul Roark roark.paul@...
  [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]
 <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@
  yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  
  
  
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] eboni 6 & R2000 ink
  positions
  
   To: "DigitalB&WPrint"
 <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@
  yahoogroups.com>
  
   Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 8:04 AM
  
   
  
   
  
    
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
     
  
   
  
   
  
       
  
         
  
         
  
         I note that the ink order
  
   below includes a toner.  I think my initial comment
 to
  the
  
   OP was about ink order related to Eboni-6, which I
 read
  as
  
   not including a toner.  I am not sure my "follow
  the
  
   color wheel" approach to make Eboni-6 on this class
  of
  
   printer (which I believe to be in the same general
 family
  as
  
   the old R1800) Epson driver compatible will work if
 there
  is
  
   a toner in the inkset.  I probably posted some
 profiles
  for
  
   Eb6 in the R1800 that assumed 2% MK in Y.  Those
  profiles
  
   will cause the highlights to be way too cool if Y has
 a
  
   light blue toner in it.  
  
   With the standard hextone
  
   printers, the blue Photoshop curve can easily
 control
  yellow
  
   position ink.  Thus my recent variable tone inksets
  usually
  
   work very well with that toner position.  And if I
 had
  an
  
   R2000, I'd still start with the color wheel
  
   positioning.  It may take some experimenting to see
 how
  the
  
   setup works with the toner, however.  The Epson
 drivers
  for
  
   these printers that include more than the standard
 CMY
  
   colors don't fit the Photoshop curves model as
  directly
  
   as the hextone printers.
  
   QTR control is almost
  
   always the easier way to go.
  
   Paulwww.PaulRoark.com 
  
   Jerry wrote:
  
   >The question was
  
   about the ink loading sequence on the R1800 in the
 link
  
   you>
  
    provided. That very informative report says to
  sequence
  
   the Eboni 6 from lightest to >darkest and the MK
  
   goes into the MK, PK and GL positions. Does that
 turn
  out
  
   to > mean
  
   the sequence for the Eboni 6VT + 3 MK is:
  
   >Toner>6% MK>9% MK>18%
 MK>MK>MK>30%
  MK>MK
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
       
  
        
  
   
  
       
  
       
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
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