On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:12 AM, jerry dungan
...
wrote:>I'll set the R1800 up the following way, putting in the original idea
>of the 2% instead of a toner at Y, and see how it goes:
>
2% >
6%>
9%>
MK>
MK>
18%>
30%>
MKIt'll be warm. My going to a toner, in part, reflected the fact that I was not happy with the way Eboni v.1.1 printed on inkjet paper. Arches is still able to make a 100% carbon print that is within what I believe people see as "neutral." Most coated inkjet paper is no longer there; thus the toner.
>And definitely Yes, QTR is the easier way to go.
If you are proficient in QTR, then you can put inks in almost any position. You'll also be able to put the toner in one of the spots that has MK in it.
I was not a huge fan of the 3MK approach. It was something that many liked because it allowed them to have color printing with matte paper as well as 100% carbon printing that was almost dead neutral. MK, not diluted, is still very neutral. The 3 positions were needed to hide microbanding.
What I'd probably end up doing with such a printer now is have only 2 MK positions -- needed for best Arches printing as well as useful for making dilute Eb6 100% carbon prints more neutral by having one of the MK inks be a "Black Only" type ink, but used more as a "toner" to pull the warmer dilute ink image toward neutral. Note that while 2 MKs were needed to hide microbanding when MK was the only ink, where the full Eb6 inks are also in the mix, a single MK is going to be a smoother way to pull the 100% carbon image toward neutral than using the full 3MK profiles in conjunction with an Eb6 profile. As such, I'd put the toner where the third MK would be. I'd use only QTR to print.
This is all easy to do piecemeal. An Eb6 plus 3MK setup allows you to see how each approach works. If you want more neutrality, the toner can be easily added later.
Paul
Paul,
Thanks as always for your time on an answer for a well running but older system. I'll set the R1800 up the following way, putting in the original idea of the 2% instead of a toner at Y, and see how it goes:
2%
6%
9%
MK
MK
18%
30%
MK
And definitely Yes, QTR is the easier way to go.
Jerry
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On Sun, 11/13/16, Paul Roark roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] eboni 6 & R2000 ink positions
To: "DigitalB&WPrint" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 8:04 AM>Toner>6% MK>9% MK>18% MK>MK>MK>30% MK>MK
I note that the ink order
below includes a toner. I think my initial comment to the
OP was about ink order related to Eboni-6, which I read as
not including a toner. I am not sure my "follow the
color wheel" approach to make Eboni-6 on this class of
printer (which I believe to be in the same general family as
the old R1800) Epson driver compatible will work if there is
a toner in the inkset. I probably posted some profiles for
Eb6 in the R1800 that assumed 2% MK in Y. Those profiles
will cause the highlights to be way too cool if Y has a
light blue toner in it.
With the standard hextone
printers, the blue Photoshop curve can easily control yellow
position ink. Thus my recent variable tone inksets usually
work very well with that toner position. And if I had an
R2000, I'd still start with the color wheel
positioning. It may take some experimenting to see how the
setup works with the toner, however. The Epson drivers for
these printers that include more than the standard CMY
colors don't fit the Photoshop curves model as directly
as the hextone printers.
QTR control is almost
always the easier way to go.
Paulwww.PaulRoark.com
Jerry wrote:
>The question was
about the ink loading sequence on the R1800 in the link
you>
provided. That very informative report says to sequence
the Eboni 6 from lightest to >darkest and the MK
goes into the MK, PK and GL positions. Does that turn out
to > mean
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