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Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by jeffrey_chiu18

Hello,

Today, I have chat with Ed from Drumbalaya.  And I have decided to 
order the Pintach AX-14S and CK-V thru him.  However, I have some 
thoughts on the setting, (suggestions are welcomed)

Option #A
1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
2) Connecting the AX-14S : 1st end to #9, 2nd end to #10 of module. 
3) Putting the original TP80S to the HiHat for 2-zone sounds
4) Putting the TP60 from HiHat to #2 (snare) for another Tom/Snare 
sound.

Option #B
1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
2) Connecting the AX-14S: 1st end to #2, 2nd end to #9 of module.
3) Replacing  the TP60 from HiHat with the TP80S to get 2-zone HiHat 
sounds
4) Connecting the TP60 to #10 of module for another Snare/Tom Sound, 
instead of buying a DB12.

Jeffrey

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by moosetication

--- jeffrey_chiu18 wrote:
> Option #B
> 1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
> 2) Connecting the AX-14S: 1st end to #2, 2nd end to
> #9 of module.
> 3) Replacing  the TP60 from HiHat with the TP80S to
> get 2-zone HiHat sounds
> 4) Connecting the TP60 to #10 of module for another
> Snare/Tom Sound, instead of buying a DB12.

This is the one I would go for. Your AX14S main sound would work 
immediately with the preset kits, as they expect the snare on #2.

Stewart

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jeffrey_chiu18" 
<jeffreychiu18@s...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Today, I have chat with Ed from Drumbalaya.  And I have decided to 
> order the Pintach AX-14S and CK-V thru him.  However, I have some 
> thoughts on the setting, (suggestions are welcomed)

Jeffrey,

Just a reminder: Ed knows that you have a Yamaha module and is 
including the polarity adaptor for the CK-V, right?

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by Darren Lo

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, liberatusvirus wrote:

> Just a reminder: Ed knows that you have a Yamaha module and is 
> including the polarity adaptor for the CK-V, right?

I'm lost -- polarity adaptor for the CK-V? I believed, perhaps
erroneously, that polarity was mainly an issue with high-hat controllers. 
My CK-V seems to function fine on the DTXPress 1 without an adaptor 
(although it runs very "hot" as mentioned previously).

Darren Lo
lo@...

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Darren Lo <lo@m...> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, liberatusvirus wrote:

Darren,

My mistake. I was thinking hi hat. Oops.

Ed

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> Just a reminder: Ed knows that you have a Yamaha module and is 
> including the polarity adaptor for the CK-V, right?

Jeffrey,

Forget my message about the adaptor. For some reason, I had hi hats 
on the brain; you don't need an adaptor for the kick. Darren, 
thankfully, caught my error.

Ed

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by jeffrey_chiu18

Hello Darren,

Thanks for correcting Ed.  So in your opinion, which of the setting 
would u use?  Sugguestion is welcomed.

Jeffrey
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Darren Lo <lo@m...> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, liberatusvirus wrote:
> 
> > Just a reminder: Ed knows that you have a Yamaha module and is 
> > including the polarity adaptor for the CK-V, right?
> 
> I'm lost -- polarity adaptor for the CK-V? I believed, perhaps
> erroneously, that polarity was mainly an issue with high-hat 
controllers. 
> My CK-V seems to function fine on the DTXPress 1 without an 
adaptor 
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> (although it runs very "hot" as mentioned previously).
> 
> Darren Lo
> lo@m...

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-03 by docdrum_s

Jeffrey,

As a recent personal convert to edrumming, I'd definitely recommend 
you go with option #B otherwise you will constantly have to "revoice" 
both the head and the rim when you switch drum kits on the module.  
By spliting between #2 (head) and #9(rim) you only have to revoice 
the rim when you switch..... and in a pinch you can either avoid rim 
shots or pull out the #9 cable if you don't have time to reset fully 
during a performance. The other option of course is to set up a few 
user drum kits with all the proper settings and wail away.

I have both the AX-14S and CK-V on my DTXP2 and they work beautifully 
with some patient tweaking. I have a PCY10 running into #10 because 
bell sounds are an important part of my drumming. 

I've also discovered that the AX-14S doesn't run as hot in the center 
as the CC120 which is an added blessing. You will find, though, that 
with these 2 zone Pintechs (others anyone?) and the DTXP2 you'll have 
to work hard at setting the rim/head rejection and crosstalk 
parameters for the snare. I've got mine pretty well separated and if 
you have trouble let me know and I'll send you off my settings to see 
if they work for you.

Good luck,

Rich





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
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> --- jeffrey_chiu18 wrote:
> > Option #B
> > 1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
> > 2) Connecting the AX-14S: 1st end to #2, 2nd end to
> > #9 of module.
> > 3) Replacing  the TP60 from HiHat with the TP80S to
> > get 2-zone HiHat sounds
> > 4) Connecting the TP60 to #10 of module for another
> > Snare/Tom Sound, instead of buying a DB12.
> 
> This is the one I would go for. Your AX14S main sound would work 
> immediately with the preset kits, as they expect the snare on #2.
> 
> Stewart

RE: [DTXpress] Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-04 by Jeffrey Chiu

Hello Rich,

 

Do you use a "Y" cable to connect the AX-14S or use the supplied cable?

Besides I do not know what kind of cables come with the snare.  Any
idea?

 

I will have the AX-14S on a stand, separating from the rest of the set
to eliminate the crosstalk and rejection issues from other pads.  I
think I need to set parameters on the snare alone.

 

Jeffrey
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-----Original Message-----
From: docdrum_s [mailto:docdrum_s@...] 
Sent: November 3, 2003 12:30 PM
To: dtxpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

 

Jeffrey,

As a recent personal convert to edrumming, I'd definitely recommend 
you go with option #B otherwise you will constantly have to "revoice" 
both the head and the rim when you switch drum kits on the module.  
By spliting between #2 (head) and #9(rim) you only have to revoice 
the rim when you switch..... and in a pinch you can either avoid rim 
shots or pull out the #9 cable if you don't have time to reset fully 
during a performance. The other option of course is to set up a few 
user drum kits with all the proper settings and wail away.

I have both the AX-14S and CK-V on my DTXP2 and they work beautifully 
with some patient tweaking. I have a PCY10 running into #10 because 
bell sounds are an important part of my drumming. 

I've also discovered that the AX-14S doesn't run as hot in the center 
as the CC120 which is an added blessing. You will find, though, that 
with these 2 zone Pintechs (others anyone?) and the DTXP2 you'll have 
to work hard at setting the rim/head rejection and crosstalk 
parameters for the snare. I've got mine pretty well separated and if 
you have trouble let me know and I'll send you off my settings to see 
if they work for you.

Good luck,

Rich





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
> --- jeffrey_chiu18 wrote:
> > Option #B
> > 1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
> > 2) Connecting the AX-14S: 1st end to #2, 2nd end to
> > #9 of module.
> > 3) Replacing  the TP60 from HiHat with the TP80S to
> > get 2-zone HiHat sounds
> > 4) Connecting the TP60 to #10 of module for another
> > Snare/Tom Sound, instead of buying a DB12.
> 
> This is the one I would go for. Your AX14S main sound would work 
> immediately with the preset kits, as they expect the snare on #2.
> 
> Stewart


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RE: [DTXpress] Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-04 by Jeffrey Chiu

Hello,

 

Ed from Drumbalaya said that AX-14S comes with a stereo cable, which I
can plug it into #9/#10.

Why can't I plug it into #2?  Probably due to the switch issue, right??

 

How do you connect the AX-14S to #2 and #9?  I guess you need two
different "Y" adaptor.

Detailed explanation would be nice.

 

Jeffrey
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-----Original Message-----
From: docdrum_s [mailto:docdrum_s@...] 
Sent: November 3, 2003 12:30 PM
To: dtxpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

 

Jeffrey,

As a recent personal convert to edrumming, I'd definitely recommend 
you go with option #B otherwise you will constantly have to "revoice" 
both the head and the rim when you switch drum kits on the module.  
By spliting between #2 (head) and #9(rim) you only have to revoice 
the rim when you switch..... and in a pinch you can either avoid rim 
shots or pull out the #9 cable if you don't have time to reset fully 
during a performance. The other option of course is to set up a few 
user drum kits with all the proper settings and wail away.

I have both the AX-14S and CK-V on my DTXP2 and they work beautifully 
with some patient tweaking. I have a PCY10 running into #10 because 
bell sounds are an important part of my drumming. 

I've also discovered that the AX-14S doesn't run as hot in the center 
as the CC120 which is an added blessing. You will find, though, that 
with these 2 zone Pintechs (others anyone?) and the DTXP2 you'll have 
to work hard at setting the rim/head rejection and crosstalk 
parameters for the snare. I've got mine pretty well separated and if 
you have trouble let me know and I'll send you off my settings to see 
if they work for you.

Good luck,

Rich





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
> --- jeffrey_chiu18 wrote:
> > Option #B
> > 1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
> > 2) Connecting the AX-14S: 1st end to #2, 2nd end to
> > #9 of module.
> > 3) Replacing  the TP60 from HiHat with the TP80S to
> > get 2-zone HiHat sounds
> > 4) Connecting the TP60 to #10 of module for another
> > Snare/Tom Sound, instead of buying a DB12.
> 
> This is the one I would go for. Your AX14S main sound would work 
> immediately with the preset kits, as they expect the snare on #2.
> 
> Stewart


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Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-04 by moosetication

--- Jeffrey Chiu wrote:
> Ed from Drumbalaya said that AX-14S comes with a
> stereo cable, which I can plug it into #9/#10.
> Why can't I plug it into #2?

A stereo or "TRS" (Tip, Ring, Screen) cable can be used either for 
stereo (piezo and switch) or dual-zone (two piezo) triggers. The 
AX14S is a dual-zone snare. Input #2 is a stereo input. If you plug 
the AX14S into #2, you won't get the rim sound as it's expecting a 
switch not a piezo. Input #9/10 is a dual zone (or dual mono) input 
and so naturally suited to the output of the AX14S without using 
splitters.

Unfortunately, the downside to using it the way that has been 
recommended here is that you'll need not one but two insert cables 
(splitters). You will need to split the tip and ring from the AX14S, 
send the tip to #2 and the ring to another splitter on #9/10.

Stewart

Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V

2003-11-05 by docdrum_s

Hi Jeffrey,

I don't remember what cable came with the AX14S but I bet it was a 
stereo cable which will only "work" in 9/10 to get you both zones.

What you need is two separate cables to set yourself up:

1. You need a HOSA YPP-117 to split 9/10 into two 1/4" mono females 
which you can see here 

http://www.directproaudio.com/product.cfm?directid=34032

and 

2. 1/4" insert cable (such as HOSA STP 202) to split the AX14S into 
two mono males which you can see here 

http://www.directproaudio.com/product.cfm?directid=24977

You should ask Ed at Drumbalaya to sell these to you (although I only 
saw the YPP 117 on the site) or you can get them from directproaudio 
or anywhere else you can find them.

Also, mounting on a stand is the way to go and I was really 
specifically talking about the settings for the snare head/rim that 
will require some "extra" tweaks..

Hope this helps....

Rich


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Chiu <jeffreychiu18@s...> 
wrote:
> Hello Rich,
> 
>  
> 
> Do you use a "Y" cable to connect the AX-14S or use the supplied 
cable?
> 
> Besides I do not know what kind of cables come with the snare.  Any
> idea?
> 
>  
> 
> I will have the AX-14S on a stand, separating from the rest of the 
set
> to eliminate the crosstalk and rejection issues from other pads.  I
> think I need to set parameters on the snare alone.
> 
>  
> 
> Jeffrey
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: docdrum_s [mailto:docdrum_s@y...] 
> Sent: November 3, 2003 12:30 PM
> To: dtxpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Upgrading DTXpress with AX-14S and CK-V
> 
>  
> 
> Jeffrey,
> 
> As a recent personal convert to edrumming, I'd definitely recommend 
> you go with option #B otherwise you will constantly have 
to "revoice" 
> both the head and the rim when you switch drum kits on the module.  
> By spliting between #2 (head) and #9(rim) you only have to revoice 
> the rim when you switch..... and in a pinch you can either avoid 
rim 
> shots or pull out the #9 cable if you don't have time to reset 
fully 
> during a performance. The other option of course is to set up a few 
> user drum kits with all the proper settings and wail away.
> 
> I have both the AX-14S and CK-V on my DTXP2 and they work 
beautifully 
> with some patient tweaking. I have a PCY10 running into #10 because 
> bell sounds are an important part of my drumming. 
> 
> I've also discovered that the AX-14S doesn't run as hot in the 
center 
> as the CC120 which is an added blessing. You will find, though, 
that 
> with these 2 zone Pintechs (others anyone?) and the DTXP2 you'll 
have 
> to work hard at setting the rim/head rejection and crosstalk 
> parameters for the snare. I've got mine pretty well separated and 
if 
> you have trouble let me know and I'll send you off my settings to 
see 
> if they work for you.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> 
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> wrote:
> > --- jeffrey_chiu18 wrote:
> > > Option #B
> > > 1) Replacing the Yamaha KP60 with CK-V.
> > > 2) Connecting the AX-14S: 1st end to #2, 2nd end to
> > > #9 of module.
> > > 3) Replacing  the TP60 from HiHat with the TP80S to
> > > get 2-zone HiHat sounds
> > > 4) Connecting the TP60 to #10 of module for another
> > > Snare/Tom Sound, instead of buying a DB12.
> > 
> > This is the one I would go for. Your AX14S main sound would work 
> > immediately with the preset kits, as they expect the snare on #2.
> > 
> > Stewart
> 
> 
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