Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

> Vern said"...low-turnout poll.....700 or so members"
> 
> What I wonder is "Are there really 700 active members or just 20 active
> members and a half a dozen silent lurkers?" And therefore the 700
> represents nothing real. For example, consider the following "what if's?"
> 
> 1.You registered when the group first started, found it not useful and
> stop coming.
> 2.You registered just to get as much general info. about e-drums as
> possible from all sources and chose not to buy an e-drum or chose to buy a
> Roland/Pintech/etc and stop coming here.
> 3.You registered here because you bought a DTX and have since sold it and
> stop coming here.
> 4.You registered here, stop coming and a year or so later, then joined
> again under a different name.
> 5.You registered here and changed service provider and decided to register
> again under a different user name.
> 6.You are a minor that received a DTX and your parents won't let you join
> and post, but only read messages posted.
> 7.You are a minor or an easily offend individual and saw the porn spam,
> and stop coming.
> 8.You want to join and contribute, but you are afraid, someone might get
> your email address and start spamming you at home or work and embarrass
> you.
> 
> The possibilities, of course, are endless. It seems to me that the key is
> to find out how many of the registered user are still here. We'll never
> know how many unregistered user there are, so we don't need to waste time
> on trying determining that.
> 
> If we could set up a post, say one per day, with a list of the first 20
> members listed in the membership list and ask for them to please respond
> with a post saying "I am still here" or let them email Vern (sorry for
> volunteering you) or me, that they are still here. We might get a better
> picture of how many of the 700 members are real and active (regardless of
> if they just read or read and post). Yes this would be time consuming, but
> it would give us a better insight as to what we represent here. It might
> also help in the decision to stay here or move.
> 
> P.S. Sorry for the long post, but does anyone know how many DTXpressI,
> DTXtreme and DTXpressII have been sold?
> 
> 
> OldGuyDrummer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > What I wonder is "Are there really 700 active members or just 20 
active
> > members and a half a dozen silent lurkers?" And therefore the 700
> > represents nothing real. > > 

OGD,

It's clear by now that there are many more casual members than 
motivated ones. Just how casual they are is also becoming clearer 
after the latest poll, especially after the multiple attempts to 
generate interest in it. I was hoping that the numbers might 
translate into a significant core that might mobilize for various 
purposes. I'm less disposed to think so at this point.

> > does anyone know how many DTXpressI,DTXtreme and DTXpressII have 
been sold?

I don't have exact figures, but in crude terms, a lot, few, and a 
lot, respectively. I'll see if I can come up with anything better.

Ed

I joined the comunity to become more information about the DTX 1.0 but didn`t find anything :-)

can you tell me something about it.. was it good... can`t find anything about the DTX 1.0 only DTX 2.0 information!

thankx

Regy

DTXpress@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 24.07.03 18:13:39:
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > What I wonder is "Are there really 700 active members or just 20
active
> > members and a half a dozen silent lurkers?" And therefore the 700
> > represents nothing real. > >

OGD,

It's clear by now that there are many more casual members than
motivated ones. Just how casual they are is also becoming clearer
after the latest poll, especially after the multiple attempts to
generate interest in it. I was hoping t! hat the numbers might
translate into a significant core that might mobilize for various
purposes. I'm less disposed to think so at this point.

> > does anyone know how many DTXpressI,DTXtreme and DTXpressII have
been sold?

I don't have exact figures, but in crude terms, a lot, few, and a
lot, respectively. I'll see if I can come up with anything better.

Ed

Ed.....I think a lot of members are enjoying the
summer and I believe once the fall/winter months set
in we will have more member interest.  I personally
have not played my kit as I have been doing doubles at
work and when I am off I am working in the garden and
soing summer recreational things-don't be
discouraged...interest WILL come back...hope all is
well with you and the family, God bless!
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > > What I wonder is "Are there really 700 active
> members or just 20 
> active
> > > members and a half a dozen silent lurkers?" And
> therefore the 700
> > > represents nothing real. > > 
> 
> OGD,
> 
> It's clear by now that there are many more casual
> members than 
> motivated ones. Just how casual they are is also
> becoming clearer 
> after the latest poll, especially after the multiple
> attempts to 
> generate interest in it. I was hoping that the
> numbers might 
> translate into a significant core that might
> mobilize for various 
> purposes. I'm less disposed to think so at this
> point.
> 
> > > does anyone know how many DTXpressI,DTXtreme and
> DTXpressII have 
> been sold?
> 
> I don't have exact figures, but in crude terms, a
> lot, few, and a 
> lot, respectively. I'll see if I can come up with
> anything better.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 


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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ed.....I think a lot of members are enjoying the
> summer and I believe once the fall/winter months set
> in we will have more member interest.  

Hi Jade,

You're probably right. In the meantime, it's always good to hear 
from you. And likewise about the family (I trust no news is good 
news).

Ed

Ed:

Jade's right (at least in my case, anyway). With summer here, 
my 'free' time is spent with yardwork, home improvement and the like. 
Oh, yeah, cook outs and vacation, too.

I'm certain activity will pick up afters the leaves are picked up (if 
you catch my drift).

Stephen

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	To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
	Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Poll/spam


Ed,

I had some free time at lunch yesterday and went back through the post. I
was amazed at the number register user that had posted. My original
impression was that perhaps maybe 20 regulars + 20 one or two post visitors.
To make sure I had a fairly accurate count, I generated an Excel speadsheet
with the Name/Email, Yahoo! ID and other general information. This helped to
eliminate duplicate Yahoo! ID posts with more than one email address. I also
did not count the scum-bag posters (spam/porn). The total number of
individual posters from 4/7/2003 up through yesterday was 104!!!!. These are
not just lurkers, these are recent active posters.  If I have some more free
time at lunch today I want to go back to 1/1/2003, just because I am
curious. 

OldGuyDrummer (OGD) 

 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> individual posters from 4/7/2003 up through yesterday was 104!!!!. 
These are
> not just lurkers, these are recent active posters.  If I have some 
more free
> time at lunch today I want to go back to 1/1/2003

OGD,

We should pay you for this data. A heartfelt thanks and a round of 
Zen applause (the sound of two hands clapping in a forest with no 
one listening), however, is probably the most you'll get. Having 
been around here in one capacity or another for at least a couple of 
years, I'm not surprised by the 104 figure. That sense of a three-
digit participation over time is what made me think that possibly we 
might have something. What might be valuable to know is how many of 
those different participants posted more than a couple of times--
that is, on more than one fairly immediate issue--and over a long 
enough span to be recognizable to people like you, Stephen, Stewart, 
Vern, Jade, UNH, etc. Do we have information that contradicts what 
the recent poll seemed to indicate (let's see if Roger's turns the 
tables)? You can't fault individuals for not being devoted to this 
group's general concerns; as you say, though, the characteristics 
and dynamics of the posters might provide food for thought.

By the way, I corresponded with Zilla offline. He's up to speed. His 
group, Drumzilla's lair, and this one are the most congenial and 
informative percussion sites that I can imagine. If we can get 
DTXpress--wherever it ends up--to be as well-run as his, we'll have 
accomplished a great deal.

Ed

> Ed wrote: What might be valuable to know is how many of 
> those different participants posted more than a couple of times--
> that is, on more than one fairly immediate issue--and over a long 
> enough span to be recognizable to people like you, Stephen, Stewart, 
> Vern, Jade, UNH, etc.
> 
	Ed,

	As with all projects, once you start them, you come up with other
things that you wish you had included from the beginning. I started with:
	Email/Name; Yahoo ID, last day posted, and first/last name if
indicated in the posting. After I got to about fifty names, I wish I had
added which kit they had or had ask about and whether they indicated being a
beginner/old timer, etc. Obviously if you can go to Yamaha with 200
dtxpressII user with a particular issue, it could have a major impact on
there desicion making process, as oppose if you only had say 35 dtxpressII
users. It's too bad we can't get Yamaha to add to there literature that
comes with the new kits a reference to this site or a moderated site. 

	The general trend was that was 15-20 consistent posters, another 10
or so would pop in ask a question/post answer and disappear for a month or
so and the rest were general one time posters. That was the general
impression, and not from a statistical analysis. Since it only took a
relatively short time to do it, I would be more than happy to add whatever
catagories that we are interested in and revise it.

	OldGuyDrummer

 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> Obviously if you can go to Yamaha with 200
> dtxpressII user with a particular issue, it could have a major 
impact on
> there desicion making process, as oppose if you only had say 35 
dtxpressII
> users. 

OGD,

Exactly. Your vision of Yamaha someday making reference to this 
group in its literature seems to be just the sort of thing to shoot 
for. We could function as cheap R&D for them if we were able to 
establish something that was stable, permanent, and populous--good 
for them and good for us. Many members, even core members, are 
certainly going to move to other equipment in time, but a 
relationship with Yamaha would almost guarantee that no one would 
stray too far if the right products were available and/or the 
company remained responsive. I, for one, don't own much of anything 
DTXpress-related, anymore (a bunch of contributors here are in the 
same boat--notably my pal Walt, currently on leave), but I am 
convinced that Yamaha is poised to advance the technology better 
than anyone else. Its knowledge of acoustic percussion (except for 
cymbals) is unmatched in the electronics field and its sampling 
capabilities are as good as anyone else's. I'm going to wait for 
Yamaha's next high-end module and encourage them to make it and 
release it as best I can.

I'm willing to bet that your informal reading of your current 
statistics is pretty accurate; the returns on more intensive 
calculations might not justify the effort (unless you're motivated). 
What we need to become a serious lobby is not necessarily people who 
post as regularly as, say, I do (near a computer for long stretches 
during the day, happy to talk drums and electronics whenever the 
opportunity arises), but a bunch of people who pop up regularly to 
see what's going on and have an abiding interest in e-drum matters. 
Computer afficionados like you and Vern, MIDI people, live players, 
etc., all have something important to offer. It's exciting to 
imagine what could be.

Ed

Ed...been really busy doing doubles at work to pay
back all that time I had off this past winter and
summer.  Once Oct gets here, I will be "hooking up"
next winter and summer-so continues the cycle of
killing myself then resting.  My Dad has been having
really bad back problems, so on Thurs. he is having
the disc repaired...must run in the family...I also
have had a herniated disc, but predisone and a good
chiro have helped me a little.  I imagine in the years
ahead, I will be having that same surgery-since I hurt
my back 3 yrs ago, I haven't been the same.  It's hell
getting old!!!  Anyway, I haven't lost track of the
group, I often read the postings and keep informed on
what's going on here, and like I stated earlier-I am
sickened by the porno...why all of a sudden, ya know? 
I truly believe Yahoo is getting to be a bunch of
low-life cons-They really frigged up the Dixie Chicks
website-I was one to join it last Feb...paid the 30
bucks so I could get pre-sale concert tickets and
great seats....well to make a long story short-I got
timed out just when I submitted ticket/credit info to
their Bflo. show....I HAD 4th row from stage seats!! 
Aprox. 3 hrs LATER I was able to resubmit the order
(after countless phone calles to ticketmaster, HSBC
arena, and Yahoo-NOBODY would accept the blame-and the
same thing was happening ALL OVER THE USA to thousands
of fans!  I ended up with good seats-up one level-but
they were not the prime seats bragged about by
Yahoo....plus the Chicks website on Yahoo leaves a lot
to be desired...so if this is the way Yahoo is
starting to do business-by selling us out-then maybe
it is time to move on.  My concern is that who ever
hosts the DTX site has to realize that they are fully
comited to running and the up keep of this site-it's a
responsibility that requires consistency and
sacrifice...are they ready for that?  What happens if
they can no longer maintain the site...where will we
go then?
And any word on Walt?
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Ed.....I think a lot of members are enjoying the
> > summer and I believe once the fall/winter months
> set
> > in we will have more member interest.  
> 
> Hi Jade,
> 
> You're probably right. In the meantime, it's always
> good to hear 
> from you. And likewise about the family (I trust no
> news is good 
> news).
> 
> Ed
> 
> 


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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> And any word on Walt?

Jade,

Sorry to hear about the back. Glad to hear that the steroid is 
helping. Working such long hours certainly can't be. On Walt, it's 
clear that he's got another agenda for the time being. He has to 
know that he's loved from all the messages his drumming buddies have 
sent his way, let alone the private investigations. If and when he 
comes back, we can all give him a big kiss. 

Ed