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RE: How to attach pedal to stealth?

RE: How to attach pedal to stealth?

2001-05-23 by Rolf Baehr

You attach the pedal to the Stealth pad just like you would to the Y-pad.  
Only difference is that you use a reversed beater, so that when you push 
down on the pedal, the beater goes down to it, instead of from your leg to a 
regular bass drum like it does with the Y-pad. And because of it's compact 
size, I never remove the pedal from the pad to put it into my goodie box, 
like I had to with the Y-pad.  Just plug it in and go.

The "pad" that the beater hits is very soft.... reminds me of the stuff that 
those "stress reliever" things are made of that you squeeze in your hands 
(if you know what I'm talking about).  Much better than pounding on that 
rock hard Y-pad.

Hope that helps!
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Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem

2001-05-23 by Andy Coe

would using a stealth pedal mean a lot less noise from my constantly 
banging right foot? mY wife would definetly want me to get one of 
them! i am assuming that you bearly need to touch this pedal for it 
to react.
how quiet is quiet? Perhaps this would enable me to finally bring my 
Kit back in the house and take it away from a good mate who seems to 
have temporarily inherited it from me.
yours hopeingly.........

Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem

2001-05-23 by Jules Freeman

Hi Guys,
Things are getting a bit intense over this kick drum pedal issue.
Ok, I have already stated that the DTXpress kick drum noise
through the floor upsetting the wife is a big downside of the DTXsetup.
However when people start talking about developing a technique that
requires one to hold back right (or left "no prejudice here") foot power,
I have to step in. Some people are using the DTX as there main kit, if this
works for them then great. However if you are using the kit as a practice /
recording set up then the last thing you need to do is to weaken your kick drum
technique. I have worked my whole life to strengthen my kick drum foot, and pride
myself that I can kick along with them all, and better than most. If this upsets the wife
then that is a problem. However I am not about to try and solve the problem by finding
a way that I can play my DTX by kicking softer. What we should be doing is finding a way
that we can insulate the kick tower vibe from going through the floor. We want to be able to
kick as hard as we need, or want to, without the noise travelling through the floor.OK, now we
concentrate on solving the real issue. If Yamaha cant, or wont, then maybe we can.
Heads together boys & Girls.
Jules Freeman (Ourgate Studios).
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----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Coe
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem

would using a stealth pedal mean a lot less noise from my constantly
banging right foot? mY wife would definetly want me to get one of
them! i am assuming that you bearly need to touch this pedal for it
to react.
how quiet is quiet? Perhaps this would enable me to finally bring my
Kit back in the house and take it away from a good mate who seems to
have temporarily inherited it from me.
yours hopeingly.........




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Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem

2001-05-23 by Mark T. Owen

I have watched with interest as this discussion has developed, and have been trying to think of method or solution.
Here's a thought: noise transmission through walls is minimised using "party walls": separate headers and footers each wall having iit's own studs & wallboard. Mechanical transmission is no longer a problem. Acoustic transmission is reduced with an air cavity between these structures, typically filled with fibreglass or similiar.
I believe the problem at hand (foot) is mechanical, not so much acoustic...(right?)
So let's look at a platform consisting of two rigid panels de-coupled by one or more materials...
\ufffd"Accumat" trade name for a dense polymer product used inside auto door panels to kill mechanical transmission of road & engine noise. About 1/8" thick, Adhesive one side... (cheap) amazingly effective stuff!! Maybe used on the back of the Y kick tower ??
\ufffd "felt": various thicknesses available, from thin craft felt to auto trunk liner, to really thick stuff used in book presses and the print trade. from cheap to $$
\ufffd "Neoprene" wetsuit material... also can be found in thin thru thick, some more dense than others... can be pricey.
\ufffd "foam rubber" would have to be dense variety to stand up over time...

Used under a masonite or plywood "plate", one or more of these materials and maybe we will be happy! Even happier with a softer (Stealth-like) kick surface as suggested by previous posts ...a lot more realistic version of the feel that a tuned head, also gives the leg relief and transmits less impact to the floor. The whole structure needs to thin so we don't have weird height issues, or perhaps the more ambitious solution would be complete "drum mat" for the whole kit...

No, I haven't tried any thing yet... just throwing out ideas. I'm playing my acoustic kit more right now, but will be interested in further experiments and thoughts from the troops...

Mark
(ps: buy your wife some flowers...)

Jules Freeman wrote:

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Hi Guys, Things are getting a bit intense over this kick drum pedal issue.Ok, I have already stated that the DTXpress kick drum noisethrough the floor upsetting the wife is a big downside of the DTXsetup.However when people start talking about developing a technique thatrequires one to hold back right (or left "no prejudice here") foot power,I have to step in. Some people are using the DTX as there main kit, if thisworks for them then great. However if you are using the kit as a practice /recording set up then the last thing you need to do is to weaken your kick drumtechnique. I have worked my whole life to strengthen my kick drum foot, and pridemyself that I can kick along with them all, and better than most. If this upsets the wifethen that is a problem. However I am not about to try and solve the problem by findinga way that I can play my DTX by kicking softer. What we should be doing is finding a waythat we can insulate the kick tower vibe from going through the floor. We want to be able tokick as hard as we need, or want to, without the noise travelling through the floor.OK, now weconcentrate on solving the real issue. If Yamaha cant, or wont, then maybe we can. Heads together boys & Girls. Jules Freeman (Ourgate Studios).
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Coe
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem
would using a stealth pedal mean a lot less noise from my constantly
banging right foot? mY wife would definetly want me to get one of
them! i am assuming that you bearly need to touch this pedal for it
to react.
how quiet is quiet? Perhaps this would enable me to finally bring my
Kit back in the house and take it away from a good mate who seems to
have temporarily inherited it from me.
yours hopeingly.........


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Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem

2001-05-23 by Jules Freeman

Thanks Mark for your input.
I also believe that the only real solution is some form of acoustic barrier. Lead is one of the best acoustic insulators
as all who build live rooms have found. However I doubt that a lining of lead on the base of the tower is enough.
I think that some of the materials that Mark has suggested could be good, maybe in conjunction with secondary materials.
I think that we should all try some combinations and report back on a scale of 1 to 10 on the effectiveness. Let her indoors
do the judging based upon how loud the kick resonance was before the treatment, and after. By the way, a serious bunch of flowers
buys about five minutes DTX playing without her indoors getting really peeved.
I await your results! And will submit mine shortly.
Jules Freeman (Ourgate Studios)
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Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem

I have watched with interest as this discussion has developed, and have been trying to think of method or solution.
Here's a thought: noise transmission through walls is minimised using "party walls": separate headers and footers each wall having iit's own studs & wallboard. Mechanical transmission is no longer a problem. Acoustic transmission is reduced with an air cavity between these structures, typically filled with fibreglass or similiar.
I believe the problem at hand (foot) is mechanical, not so much acoustic...(right?)
So let's look at a platform consisting of two rigid panels de-coupled by one or more materials...
226;"Accumat" trade name for a dense polymer product used inside auto door panels to kill mechanical transmission of road & engine noise. About 1/8" thick, Adhesive one side... (cheap) amazingly effective stuff!! Maybe used on the back of the Y kick tower ??
\u2022; "felt": various thicknesses available, from thin craft felt to auto trunk liner, to really thick stuff used in book presses and the print trade. from cheap to $$
\u2022 "Neoprene" wetsuit material... also can be found in thin thru thick, some more dense than others... can be pricey.
\u2022 "foam rubber" would have to be dense variety to stand up over time...

Used under a masonite or plywood "plate", one or more of these materials and maybe we will be happy! Even happier with a softer (Stealth-like) kick surface as suggested by previous posts ...a lot more realistic version of the feel that a tuned head, also gives the leg relief and transmits less impact to the floor. The whole structure needs to thin so we don't have weird height issues, or perhaps the more ambitious solution would be complete "drum mat" for the whole kit...

No, I haven't tried any thing yet... just throwing out ideas. I'm playing my acoustic kit more right now, but will be interested in further experiments and thoughts from the troops...

Mark
(ps: buy your wife some flowers...)

Jules Freeman wrote:

Hi Guys, Things are getting a bit intense over this kick drum pedal issue.Ok, I have already stated that the DTXpress kick drum noisethrough the floor upsetting the wife is a big downside of the DTXsetup.However when people start talking about developing a technique thatrequires one to hold back right (or left "no prejudice here") foot power,I have to step in. Some people are using the DTX as there main kit, if thisworks for them then great. However if you are using the kit as a practice /recording set up then the last thing you need to do is to weaken your kick drumtechnique. I have worked my whole life to strengthen my kick drum foot, and pridemyself that I can kick along with them all, and better than most. If this upsets the wifethen that is a problem. However I am not about to try and solve the problem by findinga way that I can play my DTX by kicking softer. What we should be doing is finding a waythat we can insulate the kick tower vibe from going through the floor. We want to be able tokick as hard as we need, or want to, without the noise travelling through the floor.OK, now weconcentrate on solving the real issue. If Yamaha cant, or wont, then maybe we can. Heads together boys & Girls. Jules Freeman (Ourgate Studios).
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Coe
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: How to attach pedal to stealth? + Noise Problem
would using a stealth pedal mean a lot less noise from my constantly
banging right foot? mY wife would definetly want me to get one of
them! i am assuming that you bearly need to touch this pedal for it
to react.
how quiet is quiet? Perhaps this would enable me to finally bring my
Kit back in the house and take it away from a good mate who seems to
have temporarily inherited it from me.
yours hopeingly.........


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