Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

This is an update on the trigger problem.  Had a good gig last night 
and all went better than my first gig with DTx 3.  I still had one or 
two miss-triggers that seemed to happen when I wasn't thinking 
aboutit, as soon as I payed particular attention to it and looked for 
the triggering problem, it would never happen.  I wonder if it is 
mainly something to do with the angle of the stick when hitting the 
pad, as it did feel a bit spongey when the miss triggers happened, as 
if I had caught the rim and pad at the same time?  No issues with the 
cymbals this time.

I made sure that no speakers were close to the kit this time, but on-
stage volume was quite high.  I went through a 200w HH amp and a pair 
of Marshall cabs with 15 inch Celestion speakers installed - so had 
enough volume.  This was a big venue with over 400 in the audience 
(by the way, they weren't there to see me playing particularly!)

What I did do before the gig, was to prepare a user trigger setup by 
selecting the standard easy setup and turning the gain down for each 
pad, so that if a problem arose, I could swap between setups between 
songs to experiment.  I did swap and certainly didn't have any miss 
triggers for that particular number, however, the standard easy 
trigger setup uses a loud velocity curve and I didn't feel 
particyul;arly happy with the way it changed the feel of the kit, so 
went back to standard medium (the normal setting).

It's early days yet to come to any judjment on any triggering 
problems with this particular TP65s pad.  I need to get a few more 
gigs with it before deciding if there is a problem.  There are so 
many things to consider and so many sensitivity settings to adjust 
the whole process could take some time.  Maybe I'll try another one 
or two user trigger setups and make sure the velocity curve is mote 
to my liking.



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "swanseadrummer" 
<aeron.kirczey@n...> wrote:
> 
> The pad is actually the TP65S (I forgot to add the 'S').  It is the 
> 3zone snare pad.  I have had no problems at all when playing at 
home 
> through headphones and no problem during practise.  The triggering 
> problem only happened a few times during live playing - I rolled on 
> the snare a few times without any problem it was just the ocasional 
> hit that didn't sound.
> 
> The bass guitar combo was about 2 feet away from the snare and just 
> to the rear, I also had my carlsbro powered wedge standing upright 
> immediately behind the snare about 1 foot away which I was using as 
> my main amp - so maybe that was causing the problem, I don't really 
> know.
> 
> The cymbal is the PCY65 and does not have chocking, so I am a bit 
> stumped as to why that sound was cut very short and sounded on two 
> occasions more like a splash than a crash.
> 
> I will keep an eye on things and ensure that no amps are too close 
to 
> the kit and see if that sorts it out.
> 
> Thanks all for your input.
> 
> Aeron
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Creighton Higgins 
<creightonh@g...> 
> wrote:
> > As Ed suggests, sound from amplifiers messes up pad response when
> > playing live. I have found that just turning an amp a bit away 
from
> > the kit helps alot and prevents miss-fires and missed hits. 
> Regarding
> > your crash- if it is one of the choking cymbals; I have found 
that 
> it
> > reveals bad technique by quenching itself as it is being hit. 
These
> > cymbals require a very quick hit. If you carry over a "playing 
> through
> > the cymbal" technique from your acoustic days, you will choke the
> > cymabal as you hit it. This involves a loss of dramatic visual 
> impact
> > which I have replaced by making faces like Laura Dern in Blue 
> Velvet.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:36:03 -0000, Nick Carroll
> > <njcarroll56@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey Aeron,
> > > 
> > > Let me just check with you - this miss-triggering problem 
happens
> > > with your TP65 (8-inch 3-zone snare pad)?  I had considered 
> trading
> > > down to the TP65 thinking it was only an issue with the TP120SD 
> (12-
> > > inch pad).  In any case, please let me know how your next gig 
> goes,
> > > because I intend to follow this issue very closely.
> > > 
> > > Nick.
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "swanseadrummer"
> > > <aeron.kirczey@n...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nick,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your response.  When I bought the kit, I had to 
move
> > > the
> > > > hihat from the extention arm on the snare arm and mounted it 
on
> > > the
> > > > module arm at the top, as a hihat hit was triggering the 
snare, 
> so
> > > > maybe the gain is a bit high.  When playing the kit at home, I
> > > have
> > > > no trouble at all, so the more I think about it, the more
> > > convinced I
> > > > am that the Bass may be affecting the snare.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have my accoustic kit anymore so will have to 
persevere.
> > > One
> > > > of the ways I got the wifes agreement to buy the DTx was to 
> offer
> > > her
> > > > some room in the copboard under the stairs for the hoover and
> > > ironing
> > > > board, this was only possible by getting rid of the accoustic 
> and
> > > > buying the electronic kit instead as it takes up less room 
when
> > > > packed away - and it obviously worked!
> > > >
> > > > Have a big gig on Feb 11th, so will see what happens there.
> > > >
> > > > Aeron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aeron,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am having exact same trouble with the TP120S snare on my
> > > > DTXtreme,
> > > > > and it only happens when the bass guitar amp is either too 
> loud
> > > and
> > > > > boomy, or too close to my kit.  At the last gig, I asked our
> > > bass
> > > > > player to move his gear off my part of the stage floor and 
had
> > > no
> > > > > problem.  Reducing the Gain, which makes the snare pad less
> > > > > sensitive, was also helpful to some extent.  However, in the
> > > event
> > > > > that our bass player is unwilling or unable to comply, I 
> always
> > > > pack
> > > > > my acoustic snare as a standby!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "swanseadrummer"
> > > > > <aeron.kirczey@n...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" 
<liberatusvirus@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "swanseadrummer"
> > > > > > > <aeron.kirczey@n...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all, purchased a DTxpress III recently and used it 
> live
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first time on Saturday.  Had a problem with the 
> occasional
> > > > hit
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > snare pad not triggering.
> > > 
> > > 
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> > -- 
> > Creighton Higgins