Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Nick,

Thanks for your response.  When I bought the kit, I had to move the 
hihat from the extention arm on the snare arm and mounted it on the 
module arm at the top, as a hihat hit was triggering the snare, so 
maybe the gain is a bit high.  When playing the kit at home, I have 
no trouble at all, so the more I think about it, the more convinced I 
am that the Bass may be affecting the snare.

I don't have my accoustic kit anymore so will have to persevere.  One 
of the ways I got the wifes agreement to buy the DTx was to offer her 
some room in the copboard under the stairs for the hoover and ironing 
board, this was only possible by getting rid of the accoustic and 
buying the electronic kit instead as it takes up less room when 
packed away - and it obviously worked!

Have a big gig on Feb 11th, so will see what happens there.

Aeron



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Aeron,
> 
> I am having exact same trouble with the TP120S snare on my 
DTXtreme, 
> and it only happens when the bass guitar amp is either too loud and 
> boomy, or too close to my kit.  At the last gig, I asked our bass 
> player to move his gear off my part of the stage floor and had no 
> problem.  Reducing the Gain, which makes the snare pad less 
> sensitive, was also helpful to some extent.  However, in the event 
> that our bass player is unwilling or unable to comply, I always 
pack 
> my acoustic snare as a standby!
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "swanseadrummer" 
> <aeron.kirczey@n...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "swanseadrummer" 
> > > <aeron.kirczey@n...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi all, purchased a DTxpress III recently and used it live 
for 
> > the 
> > > > first time on Saturday.  Had a problem with the occasional 
hit 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > snare pad not triggering.  There was no particular pattern to 
> > this 
> > > > but was disappointed with this happening.  Has anyone else 
had 
> > this 
> > > > problem?  Is it possible to hit the pad too hard?  or maybe I 
> > > wasn't 
> > > > striking the pad acurately enough?
> > > 
> > > Hi Aeron,
> > > 
> > > Welcome. Let's keep it simple for a moment. Barring any 
internal 
> > > damage to the pad, which is highly unlikely, the main reason 
why 
> > the 
> > > snare fails to sound is that something is stopping its signal 
> from 
> > > having the desired effect. Although live playing can involve 
> other 
> > > complications, the most common cause for dropouts is that 
> rejection 
> > > is set too high. A pad's rejection settings in the Trigger Edit 
> > Mode 
> > > prevent hits on another pad from creating vibrations that cause 
> it 
> > to 
> > > fire accidentally. Essentially, a pad's rejection setting stops 
> it 
> > > from making any noise unless the triggering event--its own or 
> > > anything else's--exceeds the numerical threshold of the 
setting. 
> > The 
> > > higher a pad's rejection number, the more force it requires to 
> do 
> > its 
> > > job. Rampant rejection counteracts the very purpose of the kit. 
> > > Reduce the numbers to balance efficient triggering with 
> insulation 
> > > from accidental triggering as best you can. The 
> plain "rejection" 
> > > number provides general protection from other pads; "specific 
> > > rejection" concentrates protection against a particular pad; 
> > > and "self-rejection" keeps a pad from echoing on itself (double 
> > > triggers). They all should only be high enough to minimize the 
> > > problem; otherwise the pads may go on strike. 
> > > 
> > > Two other settings that impact a pad's triggering are gain and 
> > > minimum velocity. Too high a gain will make a pad more 
> susceptible 
> > to 
> > > events on other pads, causing it either to fire accidentally 
or, 
> if 
> > > rejection rears its ugly head too much above the horizon, to 
> shut 
> > > down. Too low a minimum velocity will also make a pad more 
> > > susceptible to vibrations along the rack. It's also possible 
> that 
> > > pads run at excessive sensitivities, regardless of rejection 
> > > settings, will not be able to recover quickly enough after a 
> first 
> > > strike to process a second. Keep the trigger numbers at 
moderate 
> > > levels unless experience dictates otherwise. 
> > > 
> > > The rejection settings apply only to components connected to 
the 
> > > module. The module has no effect on interference from outside. 
> When 
> > > you play live, keep everyone off your riser, if you have one, 
> and 
> > if 
> > > your floor is shaky, keep dancers a safe distance away. Also be 
> > aware 
> > > that the bass amp, or just its signals, can resonate enough to 
> > damage 
> > > your kit's response.  Many people do extra work on their kits 
to 
> > > isolate them as much as possible from interference external, as 
> > well 
> > > as internal, to the rack.
> > > 
> > > As bad as the manual is, read about the trigger settings to get 
> a 
> > > feel for what is happening inside the module. Then, if we need 
> to 
> > > troubleshoot further, we won't have to retrace old ground from 
> > > scratch.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > Ed,
> > 
> > Many thanks for your quick response.  I have all trigger settings 
> as 
> > per factory set and all has worked well in practise at home and 
> also 
> > with the rest of the band.  I will do some experimenting with the 
> > trigger settings as you suggest but this is going to take some 
> time 
> > as we do not play every week, so don't be surprised if I don't 
> come 
> > back for a while.  Interesting your comment about the bass amp as 
> > this is located next to my left side quite near to the snare, so 
> who 
> > knows - maybe that was having some influence as you suggested.
> > 
> > Coupled with the snare miss fire was that the second crash cymbal 
> > that I have added was again occasionally being cut very short so 
I 
> > don't know if this all points to something in particular.
> > 
> > I would hope that the kit is suitable for live performance and 
not 
> > just  
> > used 'in the home' for messing about on as seems to be the case 
> with 
> > quite a few users (or so it seems).  All in all though I must say 
> > that the drum sounds are very good and I am glad that I purchased.
> > 
> > Thanks again for your comments.
> > 
> > Aeron