Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Yes, that's right.  A few comments....

- If we're going to put a "type/category" name in there, it's going 
to have to include an item like "various", "mixed", or "misc", for 
files that contain entire BANKS of patches that have multiple patch 
types.  

- The "location" portion of the name for files containing a single 
patch could be abbreviated by using "A", "B", and "C" to designate 
the bank (I think I remember Dave himself doing this in some emails 
we've traded).  Your example could then be "bass.moog3.B45.mid" 
rather than "bass.moog3.b2p45.mid".

- We also need a way to designate that a file contains an entire 
Bank, or Banks, of patches as opposed to a single patch, such 
as "misc.Ravi07.bank1.mid", or better yet, maybe 
just "misc.Ravi07.A.mid" to be somewhat consistent with the single 
patch nomenclature.  A file with all three banks could read 
like "misc.Ravi07.ABC.mid" or "misc.Ravi07.ALL.mid" (I think I like 
the second one better).


What's everyone think?


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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
wrote:
 
So then in regard to naming patchfiles, whether midi or sysex, a 
naming structure would be good. I.e., "type.name.location" 
ie. "bass.moog3.b2p45.mid" or "lead.killerz.b1p3.syx"

or something like that . . .

suggestions . . .



>From: "Ski " 
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest 
>Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:51:55 -0000 
> 
>If by "this problem", you mean the fact that you don't know where 
the 
>patches are going to load, then yes, SYSEX files have the same 
>problem. The patch bank(s) and the patch number(s) are both encoded 
>into the saved patch files... so they're always going to load back 
>into the same slot. So it's not really a MIDI or SYSEX "problem"; 
>it's just the patch format, coupled with the Evolver's inability to 
>let you specify a "destination location" for single patches that you 
>load. Shouldn't be too hard to write a little librarian, though, 
>that would let you rearrange the patches within a MIDI or SYSEX 
file. 
> 
> 
>Ski 
>www.ex5tech.com 
>EX5Tech Evolver forum: 
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23 
> 
> 
>--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" 
>wrote: 
> > No, I meant only for midifiles, obviously sysex route doesn't 
have 
>this problem, or does it? I got midiox to work, but I didn't know 
how 
>I did it . . . :) 
>

perhaps if we just send all patches to like bank 1, patch 1,
then we can audition it, and if we like it, copy it to where we want
it.

alternately it's very easy to change the destination , just change bytes
6 and 7 of the sysex message.  MIDI-OX, for example, lets you modify
them easily before you send it.


-N


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As a suggestion I would add that rather than a "patch contest" which
implies some competition and reward, we do whats been done successfully
several times on the waldorf forum and make a "User Forum Soundset"
instead.  Basically one person volunteers as the organizer gathers a
list of  who and how many patches each user is going to contribute posts
this list to the forum, sets a deadline and everyone sends their patches
to this organizer. 
 
The organzier than puts the entire set of patches together in a soundset
that usually consists of midi files, sysex files, sounddiver library
file and even a text file with descriptions and directions. This
soundset is then posted for everyone to get access to, and they are then
free to choose which method to load it into their synths. This method
has worked quite well and their have already been at least 3 soundsets
each for the Q and MWXT. Any thoughts ?
 
Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Sharma [mailto:noision1@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:27 AM
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest



So then in regard to naming patchfiles, whether midi or sysex, a naming
structure would be good. I.e., "type.name.location" ie.
"bass.moog3.b2p45.mid" or "lead.killerz.b1p3.syx"

or something like that . . .

suggestions . . .



>From: "Ski " 
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest 
>Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:51:55 -0000 
> 
>If by "this problem", you mean the fact that you don't know where the 
>patches are going to load, then yes, SYSEX files have the same 
>problem. The patch bank(s) and the patch number(s) are both encoded 
>into the saved patch files... so they're always going to load back 
>into the same slot. So it's not really a MIDI or SYSEX "problem"; 
>it's just the patch format, coupled with the Evolver's inability to 
>let you specify a "destination location" for single patches that you 
>load. Shouldn't be too hard to write a little librarian, though, 
>that would let you rearrange the patches within a MIDI or SYSEX file. 
> 
> 
>Ski 
>www.ex5tech.com 
>EX5Tech Evolver forum: 
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23 
> 
> 
>--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" 
>wrote: 
> > No, I meant only for midifiles, obviously sysex route doesn't have 
>this problem, or does it? I got midiox to work, but I didn't know how 
>I did it . . . :) 
> 

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Hi Don -
I like the "User Forum Soundset" idea.  It sounds like a great way to get
(and give) lots more patches.  Yeah!  Gimme lots and lotsa more patches.  I
have a good handful twisted patches i'd be into throwing in.

- Robert

>   As a  suggestion I would add that rather than a "patch contest" which
>implies some  competition and reward, we do whats been done successfully
>several times on the  waldorf forum and make a "User Forum Soundset"
>instead.  Basically one  person volunteers as the organizer gathers a list
>of  who and how many  patches each user is going to contribute posts this
>list to the forum, sets a  deadline and everyone sends their patches to
>this organizer.     The  organzier than puts the entire set of patches
>together in a soundset that  usually consists of midi files, sysex files,
>sounddiver  library file and even a text file with descriptions and
>directions. This  soundset is then posted for everyone to get access to,
>and they are then free to  choose which method to load it into their
>synths. This method has worked quite  well and their have already been at
>least 3 soundsets each for the Q and MWXT.  Any thoughts ?   Don

Don, I think you have a great idea.  I think one of the advantages of 
this over a pure contest is that you'd end up with more patches being 
created and submitted.  I know for a fact that there some people 
(some of whom are talented) are a bit intimidated by competition - 
they thing that their sounds aren't good enough, when in fact they 
are!  

Besides, everyone has their own likes and dislikes.  Jeez, Dave threw 
a few of my personal favorite Evolver sounds way back there in Bank 3 
obscurity (don't worry - I'm over it now, and have decided to go on 
with life!) ;)  Yet on the other hand, a few of the "stinkers" I 
programmed (my own judgement) are featured prominently in the 
presets.  Heck, Dave even made some additional edited versions of one 
or two of them!  Anyway, the bottom line is that something one person 
finds horrible *might* be just the thing that someone else has been 
looking for to use in their latest song.

Another idea:  A "patch contest" and a "User Forum Soundset" COULD be 
combined.  You could do it basically as a "User Forum Soundset", yet 
at the end, let the group judge the best patches in the lot.  The 
best patches could be featured at the front of the list.  You could 
have other "prizes", too.


What's everyone else think?  And who would be interested in 
programming some patches to share with everyone?


Assuming that we do put together a collection of sounds, I volunteer 
to collect everyone's files and package the final product, including 
the documentation.  I have a little experience in this area.  We 
currently have a total of 169 patch/sample/other collections for the 
EX5 available at AMPFEA and EX5Tech.  (Many of these are multi-
archive downloads, so the total number of actual downloads is 290.)  
I packaged 78 of those 169.  Of the 78, I actually authored or co-
authored 27.  If desired (or necessary), I'll also be happy to host 
or co-host the final product for downloading.

The only thing I couldn't do would be to make a version of the file 
in Sound Diver format, but someone else could make that conversion if 
necessary.  Of the three file formats mentioned, I think Sound Diver 
is probably the least important, anyway, though I'm sure that some 
would disagree!  :)


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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)" 
<gothard@s...> wrote:
> As a suggestion I would add that rather than a "patch contest" which
> implies some competition and reward, we do whats been done 
successfully
> several times on the waldorf forum and make a "User Forum Soundset"
> instead.  Basically one person volunteers as the organizer gathers a
> list of  who and how many patches each user is going to contribute 
posts
> this list to the forum, sets a deadline and everyone sends their 
patches
> to this organizer. 
>  
> The organzier than puts the entire set of patches together in a 
soundset
> that usually consists of midi files, sysex files, sounddiver library
> file and even a text file with descriptions and directions. This
> soundset is then posted for everyone to get access to, and they are 
then
> free to choose which method to load it into their synths. This 
method
> has worked quite well and their have already been at least 3 
soundsets
> each for the Q and MWXT. Any thoughts ?
>  
> Don
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ravi Sharma [mailto:noision1@h...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:27 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest
> 
> 
> 
> So then in regard to naming patchfiles, whether midi or sysex, a 
naming
> structure would be good. I.e., "type.name.location" ie.
> "bass.moog3.b2p45.mid" or "lead.killerz.b1p3.syx"
> 
> or something like that . . .
> 
> suggestions . . .
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Ski " 
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest 
> >Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:51:55 -0000 
> > 
> >If by "this problem", you mean the fact that you don't know where 
the 
> >patches are going to load, then yes, SYSEX files have the same 
> >problem. The patch bank(s) and the patch number(s) are both 
encoded 
> >into the saved patch files... so they're always going to load back 
> >into the same slot. So it's not really a MIDI or SYSEX "problem"; 
> >it's just the patch format, coupled with the Evolver's inability 
to 
> >let you specify a "destination location" for single patches that 
you 
> >load. Shouldn't be too hard to write a little librarian, though, 
> >that would let you rearrange the patches within a MIDI or SYSEX 
file. 
> > 
> > 
> >Ski 
> >www.ex5tech.com 
> >EX5Tech Evolver forum: 
> >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23 
> > 
> > 
> >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" 
> >wrote: 
> > > No, I meant only for midifiles, obviously sysex route doesn't 
have 
> >this problem, or does it? I got midiox to work, but I didn't know 
how 
> >I did it . . . :) 
> > 
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I've got plenty of patches I'd be willing to throw
into a User set. I'm one of those who is reluctant to
participate in contests, but I am quite inclined to
contribute to something like this...

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It seems that a patch collection instead a contest is more palatable. That 
is cool that a contest is unnecesary to have people contribute.

Even if there are eventually whole banks of sounds made, I would prefer that 
we also keep a database of all the sounds as singles and with whatever 
category naming structure we agree upon. I know that I rarely enjoy throwing 
in a whole bank at a time, but do enjoy "browsing" through individual 
patches and grabbing what I want.

Ravi






>From: not known <spectralab1@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:07:55 -0500 (EST)
>
>I've got plenty of patches I'd be willing to throw
>into a User set. I'm one of those who is reluctant to
>participate in contests, but I am quite inclined to
>contribute to something like this...
>
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, not known <spectralab1@y...> 
wrote:
> I've got plenty of patches I'd be willing to throw
> into a User set. I'm one of those who is reluctant to
> participate in contests, but I am quite inclined to
> contribute to something like this...
> 
> 
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Establishing a good set of sound categories, and a standard 
nomenclature for the filenames IS still quite important.  It will be 
a HUGE asset as the list of user files grows.  It will also make 
keeping such a database doable.  We have tons of EX5 format files.  
The EX5 has categories built into the file names, however, some 
people don't use them, or don't use them well.  As a result, it's a 
lot more difficult prospect for us to create a *useful* database of 
EX5 patches (or "Voices", as Yamaha calls them).  We're working on 
it, though.

I thought of one other little problem regarding Evolver FILE 
nomenclature with respect to the database you'd like to make, Ravi.  
Given that SOME files will be BANK files, we'll need to be sure that 
all BANK files come with a complete patch list, too.  Patch names on 
the patch list would need to use the same format nomenclature as the 
single patch file names.  Your database would then need a minimum of 
four fields:

1) The three part patch name (category.sound_name.location)

2) The three part file name in which the patch exists 
(category.collection_name.location)

3) The patch author

4) Date authored

Ideally, you'd want to break items 1 and 2 into separate component 
fields, giving you a total of 8 fields.  Actually I guess you *could* 
drop the "category" and "location" part of the FILE name in the 
database, since it would essentially be redundant with the info for 
each of the individual patches.  You'd need to keep that info in the 
actual name of the file, though.

BTW, this discussion is getting a bit fragged (multiple 
threads/emails).  Once this project gets underway, it might be easier 
to follow if we make a single project specific thread in the EX5Tech 
forums.  Of course, that's only if everyone's agreeable.  I don't 
want to risk losing participants if some of them dislike forums.  And 
again, if we run out of space in the Yahoo group, or have any other 
problems with people uploading files, I can get them via email and 
host them at ex5tech.com.


Ski
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
wrote:
> It seems that a patch collection instead a contest is more 
palatable. That 
> is cool that a contest is unnecesary to have people contribute.
> 
> Even if there are eventually whole banks of sounds made, I would 
prefer that 
> we also keep a database of all the sounds as singles and with 
whatever 
> category naming structure we agree upon. I know that I rarely enjoy 
throwing 
> in a whole bank at a time, but do enjoy "browsing" through 
individual 
> patches and grabbing what I want.
> 
> Ravi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: not known <spectralab1@y...>
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:07:55 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >I've got plenty of patches I'd be willing to throw
> >into a User set. I'm one of those who is reluctant to
> >participate in contests, but I am quite inclined to
> >contribute to something like this...
> >
> 
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I wasn't thinking in terms of strict databases, but that certainly can be 
done later with ease once enought actual patches (and then later banks) are 
created. First, if we stick to collecting individual files we can simply 
have a list or folder containing files file name that includes the author's 
initials (optional) (waldorf style) but stated first rather than after (for 
sorting ease) hence:

"category.initials_sound-name.location.suffix"

e.g. "bass.RIS_moog1.B45.mid" or "lead.SKI_dxsqueal.A13.syx"

After we have enough single patches to make up banks, then anyone can simply 
construct banks adhering (hopefully) to the following naming format:

"bank.name-of-bank.suffix" (is location of bank required? If so then 
bank.name-of-bank.location.suffix")

I don't believe a category is necessary for banks since the name can be 
descriptive itself.

Once there are bank files, they should be accompanied by a simple readme.txt 
file that lists the included patches. Indeed a proper zipped bank package 
should have the bank file, the readme.txt file and all the individual files 
zipped up and all represented in both .mid and .syx format.

Databases for the purpose listing these things can be made by individuals 
such as you me or anyone whenever. The only thing I see technically missing 
from the naming spec is a create date, however i am unsure how important 
such is. Technically the original file uploaded should have a date stamp.

I think we are making progress towards a standard naming scheme which will 
be helpful to maintain maximum user information and sortability.

Of course, if Dave implements the highly desired compare/temp patch which 
will load any new single file into the temp patch location, then we can do 
away with the location field completely (except perhaps for bank files if 
necessary at all). Technically all the fields except name and suffix become 
optional (although desired). Currently we really *need* the location if 
anyone is know where the patch will be loaded.

Ravi


>From: "Ski <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
>Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 05:46:35 -0000
>
>Establishing a good set of sound categories, and a standard
>nomenclature for the filenames IS still quite important.  It will be
>a HUGE asset as the list of user files grows.  It will also make
>keeping such a database doable.  We have tons of EX5 format files.
>The EX5 has categories built into the file names, however, some
>people don't use them, or don't use them well.  As a result, it's a
>lot more difficult prospect for us to create a *useful* database of
>EX5 patches (or "Voices", as Yamaha calls them).  We're working on
>it, though.
>
>I thought of one other little problem regarding Evolver FILE
>nomenclature with respect to the database you'd like to make, Ravi.
>Given that SOME files will be BANK files, we'll need to be sure that
>all BANK files come with a complete patch list, too.  Patch names on
>the patch list would need to use the same format nomenclature as the
>single patch file names.  Your database would then need a minimum of
>four fields:
>
>1) The three part patch name (category.sound_name.location)
>
>2) The three part file name in which the patch exists
>(category.collection_name.location)
>
>3) The patch author
>
>4) Date authored
>
>Ideally, you'd want to break items 1 and 2 into separate component
>fields, giving you a total of 8 fields.  Actually I guess you *could*
>drop the "category" and "location" part of the FILE name in the
>database, since it would essentially be redundant with the info for
>each of the individual patches.  You'd need to keep that info in the
>actual name of the file, though.
>
>BTW, this discussion is getting a bit fragged (multiple
>threads/emails).  Once this project gets underway, it might be easier
>to follow if we make a single project specific thread in the EX5Tech
>forums.  Of course, that's only if everyone's agreeable.  I don't
>want to risk losing participants if some of them dislike forums.  And
>again, if we run out of space in the Yahoo group, or have any other
>problems with people uploading files, I can get them via email and
>host them at ex5tech.com.
>
>
>Ski
>www.ex5tech.com
>EX5Tech Evolver forum:
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
>
>
>--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...>
>wrote:
> > It seems that a patch collection instead a contest is more
>palatable. That
> > is cool that a contest is unnecesary to have people contribute.
> >
> > Even if there are eventually whole banks of sounds made, I would
>prefer that
> > we also keep a database of all the sounds as singles and with
>whatever
> > category naming structure we agree upon. I know that I rarely enjoy
>throwing
> > in a whole bank at a time, but do enjoy "browsing" through
>individual
> > patches and grabbing what I want.
> >
> > Ravi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: not known <spectralab1@y...>
> > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> > >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:07:55 -0500 (EST)
> > >
> > >I've got plenty of patches I'd be willing to throw
> > >into a User set. I'm one of those who is reluctant to
> > >participate in contests, but I am quite inclined to
> > >contribute to something like this...
> > >
> >
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I agree with your statements below.

Location IS needed for a bank file, since a bank file can be either a 
single bank, or all three banks.  And yes, I agree that the "sound 
category" really isn't needed for banks.  If we used it, 99% of them 
would be "Misc".  I like your idea to actually put the text "bank" at 
the BEGINNING of the filename (rather than denoting it in the end 
where I'd put it);  that keeps bank files sorted together in a long 
file list.  We're going to put the text "patch" in front of all the 
single patch files, too?  Actually, if we get the sample import thing 
worked out, it might be a real good idea to include the text "patch" 
in front of a single patch file.  Who knows, we might have "sample" 
files too someday!

Author initials for single patch files is an excellent idea.  Maybe 
it could be optional for bank files, too, for those banks that are 
done entirely by one author;  I don't know... there'd be a bit of 
redundancy with the documentation's list of patches.  I also think 
your UNDERSCORE, rather than another PERIOD to separate author from 
patch/bank name was insightful.  Given that author can be optional, 
the underscore allows for consistent parsing of the entire filename, 
because they'd all have the same number of periods in them (i.e. you 
could easily programmatically put everything into a real database at 
some point).

OK, so here's the next round of examples:


Single Patches (same as last time, but with "patch" in front)
--------------
"patch.bass.RIS_moog1.B45.mid"
"patch.lead.SKI_dxsqueal.A13.syx"

Banks
-----
"bank.RIS_electronica.B.syx" - (a one bank file that loads to bank B)
"bank.SKI_trancevested.ALL.mid" - (a three bank file)


Perhaps the words "patch" and "bank" could be abbreviated to "pch" 
and "bnk".

And yes... if we get the new feature implemented that let's you load 
a patch into any desired location, we can drop the location from the 
file name.

BTW - What do you know about me and "DX squeals"?  Who have you been 
talking to?!  I have way too much FM gear...  You didn't get any of 
my DX patch banks back in the early/mid 80's, did you?


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
wrote:
> I wasn't thinking in terms of strict databases, but that certainly 
can be 
> done later with ease once enought actual patches (and then later 
banks) are 
> created. First, if we stick to collecting individual files we can 
simply 
> have a list or folder containing files file name that includes the 
author's 
> initials (optional) (waldorf style) but stated first rather than 
after (for 
> sorting ease) hence:
> 
> "category.initials_sound-name.location.suffix"
> 
> e.g. "bass.RIS_moog1.B45.mid" or "lead.SKI_dxsqueal.A13.syx"
> 
> After we have enough single patches to make up banks, then anyone 
can simply 
> construct banks adhering (hopefully) to the following naming format:
> 
> "bank.name-of-bank.suffix" (is location of bank required? If so 
then 
> bank.name-of-bank.location.suffix")
> 
> I don't believe a category is necessary for banks since the name 
can be 
> descriptive itself.
> 
> Once there are bank files, they should be accompanied by a simple 
readme.txt 
> file that lists the included patches. Indeed a proper zipped bank 
package 
> should have the bank file, the readme.txt file and all the 
individual files 
> zipped up and all represented in both .mid and .syx format.
> 
> Databases for the purpose listing these things can be made by 
individuals 
> such as you me or anyone whenever. The only thing I see technically 
missing 
> from the naming spec is a create date, however i am unsure how 
important 
> such is. Technically the original file uploaded should have a date 
stamp.
> 
> I think we are making progress towards a standard naming scheme 
which will 
> be helpful to maintain maximum user information and sortability.
> 
> Of course, if Dave implements the highly desired compare/temp patch 
which 
> will load any new single file into the temp patch location, then we 
can do 
> away with the location field completely (except perhaps for bank 
files if 
> necessary at all). Technically all the fields except name and 
suffix become 
> optional (although desired). Currently we really *need* the 
location if 
> anyone is know where the patch will be loaded.
> 
> Ravi
> 
> 
> >From: "Ski <ex5tech@e...>" <ex5tech@e...>
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 05:46:35 -0000
> >
> >Establishing a good set of sound categories, and a standard
> >nomenclature for the filenames IS still quite important.  It will 
be
> >a HUGE asset as the list of user files grows.  It will also make
> >keeping such a database doable.  We have tons of EX5 format files.
> >The EX5 has categories built into the file names, however, some
> >people don't use them, or don't use them well.  As a result, it's a
> >lot more difficult prospect for us to create a *useful* database of
> >EX5 patches (or "Voices", as Yamaha calls them).  We're working on
> >it, though.
> >
> >I thought of one other little problem regarding Evolver FILE
> >nomenclature with respect to the database you'd like to make, Ravi.
> >Given that SOME files will be BANK files, we'll need to be sure 
that
> >all BANK files come with a complete patch list, too.  Patch names 
on
> >the patch list would need to use the same format nomenclature as 
the
> >single patch file names.  Your database would then need a minimum 
of
> >four fields:
> >
> >1) The three part patch name (category.sound_name.location)
> >
> >2) The three part file name in which the patch exists
> >(category.collection_name.location)
> >
> >3) The patch author
> >
> >4) Date authored
> >
> >Ideally, you'd want to break items 1 and 2 into separate component
> >fields, giving you a total of 8 fields.  Actually I guess you 
*could*
> >drop the "category" and "location" part of the FILE name in the
> >database, since it would essentially be redundant with the info for
> >each of the individual patches.  You'd need to keep that info in 
the
> >actual name of the file, though.
> >
> >BTW, this discussion is getting a bit fragged (multiple
> >threads/emails).  Once this project gets underway, it might be 
easier
> >to follow if we make a single project specific thread in the 
EX5Tech
> >forums.  Of course, that's only if everyone's agreeable.  I don't
> >want to risk losing participants if some of them dislike forums.  
And
> >again, if we run out of space in the Yahoo group, or have any other
> >problems with people uploading files, I can get them via email and
> >host them at ex5tech.com.
> >
> >
> >Ski
> >www.ex5tech.com
> >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> >
> >
> >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > It seems that a patch collection instead a contest is more
> >palatable. That
> > > is cool that a contest is unnecesary to have people contribute.
> > >
> > > Even if there are eventually whole banks of sounds made, I would
> >prefer that
> > > we also keep a database of all the sounds as singles and with
> >whatever
> > > category naming structure we agree upon. I know that I rarely 
enjoy
> >throwing
> > > in a whole bank at a time, but do enjoy "browsing" through
> >individual
> > > patches and grabbing what I want.
> > >
> > > Ravi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: not known <spectralab1@y...>
> > > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:07:55 -0500 (EST)
> > > >
> > > >I've got plenty of patches I'd be willing to throw
> > > >into a User set. I'm one of those who is reluctant to
> > > >participate in contests, but I am quite inclined to
> > > >contribute to something like this...
> > > >
> > >
> > 
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Well, if you really want to streamline... technically, you don't need 
the word "bank" in front of the bank files, 
either.  "organ.RIS_hamncheese.A005.mid" would be recognizable as a 
patch file because of the "A005" location, 
whereas "RIS_electronica.C.syx" and "SKI_trancevested.ALL.mid" would 
be recognized as bank files because of the "C" and the "ALL" location 
designations.

I appreciate and agree with the need to streamline, but I still think 
there's merit to putting *something* at the very beginning of the 
filename to indicate whether it's a single patch, or a bank file (or 
maybe someday a waveform file).  It would sure make things easier to 
sort.  If you only label the bank files, then your list of files 
starts with some patch files that begin with "a" and some "b"s, goes 
through all the bank files, then finishes with all the rest of the 
patch files.

How do you feel about a single letter to designate patch vs. bank as 
a prefix in the filename?  Something like:


"p.organ.RIS_hamncheese.A005.mid" and "b.RIS_electronica.C.syx"


BTW, we might consider the practice of always using three digit 
numbers in the patch location.  Given that they'll be a text string 
with the bank letter in front of them, sticking with three digits 
will make it a lot easier to sort in a database!


Another way to streamline would be to use two character category 
abbreviations.  Following is what is used in the EX5 (just as a 
starting point for conversation):

Pf - Piano (used for piano, electric piano, clavinet, harpsichord, 
etc.)
Cp - Chromatic Percussion (tuned percussion like agogos and timpani)
Or - Organ
Gt - Guitar
Ba - Bass
St - Strings/Orchestral
En - Ensemble (combos like strings/brass, etc.)
Br - Brass (like trumpet, t-bone)
Rd - Reed (like sax, clarinet)
Pi - Pipe (like flute)
Ld - Lead Synth
Pd - Synth Pad
Fx - Synth Sound Effects
Et - Ethnic
Pc - Percussive
Se - Sound Effects
Dr - Drums
Sc - Synth Comping
Vo - Vocal
Co - Combination
Wv - Material Wave (read that "single cycle waveforms")
Sq - Sequence

While not perfect, this list isn't a bad starting point, though among 
other things, the "Wv" category obviously has no meaning for patches 
(this same list of categories is used to classify samples).


Yet another way to streamline/shorten:  The patch/bank name portion 
of the filename could be limited to a certain number of characters, 
like 12 or 15 or whatever.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> Good. I think that "patch" is redundant though. I am trying to 
streamline everything. If it doesn't have a special "bank" ("wave"?) 
prefix, then it is a patch.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Ski <ex5tech@e...> 
>   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:36 AM
>   Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> 
> 
>   I agree with your statements below.
> 
>   Location IS needed for a bank file, since a bank file can be 
either a 
>   single bank, or all three banks.  And yes, I agree that 
the "sound 
>   category" really isn't needed for banks.  If we used it, 99% of 
them 
>   would be "Misc".  I like your idea to actually put the 
text "bank" at 
>   the BEGINNING of the filename (rather than denoting it in the end 
>   where I'd put it);  that keeps bank files sorted together in a 
long 
>   file list.  We're going to put the text "patch" in front of all 
the 
>   single patch files, too?  Actually, if we get the sample import 
thing 
>   worked out, it might be a real good idea to include the 
text "patch" 
>   in front of a single patch file.  Who knows, we might 
have "sample" 
>   files too someday!
> 
>   Author initials for single patch files is an excellent idea.  
Maybe 
>   it could be optional for bank files, too, for those banks that 
are 
>   done entirely by one author;  I don't know... there'd be a bit of 
>   redundancy with the documentation's list of patches.  I also 
think 
>   your UNDERSCORE, rather than another PERIOD to separate author 
from 
>   patch/bank name was insightful.  Given that author can be 
optional, 
>   the underscore allows for consistent parsing of the entire 
filename, 
>   because they'd all have the same number of periods in them (i.e. 
you 
>   could easily programmatically put everything into a real database 
at 
>   some point).
> 
>   OK, so here's the next round of examples:
> 
> 
>   Single Patches (same as last time, but with "patch" in front)
>   --------------
>   "patch.bass.RIS_moog1.B45.mid"
>   "patch.lead.SKI_dxsqueal.A13.syx"
> 
>   Banks
>   -----
>   "bank.RIS_electronica.B.syx" - (a one bank file that loads to 
bank B)
>   "bank.SKI_trancevested.ALL.mid" - (a three bank file)
> 
> 
>   Perhaps the words "patch" and "bank" could be abbreviated 
to "pch" 
>   and "bnk".
> 
>   And yes... if we get the new feature implemented that let's you 
load 
>   a patch into any desired location, we can drop the location from 
the 
>   file name.
> 
>   BTW - What do you know about me and "DX squeals"?  Who have you 
been 
>   talking to?!  I have way too much FM gear...  You didn't get any 
of 
>   my DX patch banks back in the early/mid 80's, did you?
> 
> 
>   Ski
>   www.ex5tech.com
>   EX5Tech Evolver forum:
>   http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
>   wrote:
>   > I wasn't thinking in terms of strict databases, but that 
certainly 
>   can be 
>   > done later with ease once enought actual patches (and then 
later 
>   banks) are 
>   > created. First, if we stick to collecting individual files we 
can 
>   simply 
>   > have a list or folder containing files file name that includes 
the 
>   author's 
>   > initials (optional) (waldorf style) but stated first rather 
than 
>   after (for 
>   > sorting ease) hence:
>   > 
>   > "category.initials_sound-name.location.suffix"
>   > 
>   > e.g. "bass.RIS_moog1.B45.mid" or "lead.SKI_dxsqueal.A13.syx"
>   > 
>   > After we have enough single patches to make up banks, then 
anyone 
>   can simply 
>   > construct banks adhering (hopefully) to the following naming 
format:
>   > 
>   > "bank.name-of-bank.suffix" (is location of bank required? If so 
>   then 
>   > bank.name-of-bank.location.suffix")
>   > 
>   > I don't believe a category is necessary for banks since the 
name 
>   can be 
>   > descriptive itself.
>   > 
>   > Once there are bank files, they should be accompanied by a 
simple 
>   readme.txt 
>   > file that lists the included patches. Indeed a proper zipped 
bank 
>   package 
>   > should have the bank file, the readme.txt file and all the 
>   individual files 
>   > zipped up and all represented in both .mid and .syx format.
>   > 
>   > Databases for the purpose listing these things can be made by 
>   individuals 
>   > such as you me or anyone whenever. The only thing I see 
technically 
>   missing 
>   > from the naming spec is a create date, however i am unsure how 
>   important 
>   > such is. Technically the original file uploaded should have a 
date 
>   stamp.
>   > 
>   > I think we are making progress towards a standard naming scheme 
>   which will 
>   > be helpful to maintain maximum user information and sortability.
>   > 
>   > Of course, if Dave implements the highly desired compare/temp 
patch 
>   which 
>   > will load any new single file into the temp patch location, 
then we 
>   can do 
>   > away with the location field completely (except perhaps for 
bank 
>   files if 
>   > necessary at all). Technically all the fields except name and 
>   suffix become 
>   > optional (although desired). Currently we really *need* the 
>   location if 
>   > anyone is know where the patch will be loaded.
>   > 
>   > Ravi
>   > 
>   > 
>   > >From: "Ski <ex5tech@e...>" <ex5tech@e...>
>   > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>   > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>   > >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
>   > >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 05:46:35 -0000
>   > >
>   > >Establishing a good set of sound categories, and a standard
>   > >nomenclature for the filenames IS still quite important.  It 
will 
>   be
>   > >a HUGE asset as the list of user files grows.  It will also 
make
>   > >keeping such a database doable.  We have tons of EX5 format 
files.
>   > >The EX5 has categories built into the file names, however, some
>   > >people don't use them, or don't use them well.  As a result, 
it's a
>   > >lot more difficult prospect for us to create a *useful* 
database of
>   > >EX5 patches (or "Voices", as Yamaha calls them).  We're 
working on
>   > >it, though.
>   > >
>   > >I thought of one other little problem regarding Evolver FILE
>   > >nomenclature with respect to the database you'd like to make, 
Ravi.
>   > >Given that SOME files will be BANK files, we'll need to be 
sure 
>   that
>   > >all BANK files come with a complete patch list, too.  Patch 
names 
>   on
>   > >the patch list would need to use the same format nomenclature 
as 
>   the
>   > >single patch file names.  Your database would then need a 
minimum 
>   of
>   > >four fields:
>   > >
>   > >1) The three part patch name (category.sound_name.location)
>   > >
>   > >2) The three part file name in which the patch exists
>   > >(category.collection_name.location)
>   > >
>   > >3) The patch author
>   > >
>   > >4) Date authored
>   > >
>   > >Ideally, you'd want to break items 1 and 2 into separate 
component
>   > >fields, giving you a total of 8 fields.  Actually I guess you 
>   *could*
>   > >drop the "category" and "location" part of the FILE name in the
>   > >database, since it would essentially be redundant with the 
info for
>   > >each of the individual patches.  You'd need to keep that info 
in 
>   the
>   > >actual name of the file, though.
>   > >
>   > >BTW, this discussion is getting a bit fragged (multiple
>   > >threads/emails).  Once this project gets underway, it might be 
>   easier
>   > >to follow if we make a single project specific thread in the 
>   EX5Tech
>   > >forums.  Of course, that's only if everyone's agreeable.  I 
don't
>   > >want to risk losing participants if some of them dislike 
forums.  
>   And
>   > >again, if we run out of space in the Yahoo group, or have any 
other
>   > >problems with people uploading files, I can get them via email 
and

>   > >host them at ex5tech.com.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >Ski
>   > >www.ex5tech.com
>   > >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
>   > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
>   > >
>   > >

On 1/8/03 7:48 PM, "Ski <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...> wrote:

> 
> Another idea:  A "patch contest" and a "User Forum Soundset" COULD be
> combined.  You could do it basically as a "User Forum Soundset", yet
> at the end, let the group judge the best patches in the lot.  The
> best patches could be featured at the front of the list.  You could
> have other "prizes", too.
> 
> 
> What's everyone else think?  And who would be interested in
> programming some patches to share with everyone?
> 


I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way to get
participation.  The winners up front is also a nice touch.

BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with the EX5.  I have
an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used to pour over your site for
info.  Great job with that!


drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

Thanks a lot, drk.  When I saw your screen name "drk", it struck a 
note... is that your EX5Tech name as well?  Or does your EX5Tech name 
contain "drk"?  Wait!  Ha!  I bet I have it... 
you're "drkackletooth", right?  (I probably didn't spell that 
right!)  That's the name I was trying to remember.  Sorry if I'm 
totally wrong!  ;)

Back on the original subject... I think this is great, because we've 
only been talking about the User Soundset / Contest a few short days, 
but I think we've already had about a half dozen positive responses.  
Not bad at all for a brand new synth that hasn't yet sold thousands 
of units!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, drK <drk@d...> wrote:
> On 1/8/03 7:48 PM, "Ski <ex5tech@e...>" <ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Another idea:  A "patch contest" and a "User Forum Soundset" 
COULD be
> > combined.  You could do it basically as a "User Forum Soundset", 
yet
> > at the end, let the group judge the best patches in the lot.  The
> > best patches could be featured at the front of the list.  You 
could
> > have other "prizes", too.
> > 
> > 
> > What's everyone else think?  And who would be interested in
> > programming some patches to share with everyone?
> > 
> 
> 
> I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way to get
> participation.  The winners up front is also a nice touch.
> 
> BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with the EX5.  
I have
> an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used to pour over your 
site for

> info.  Great job with that!
> 
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com

> I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way 
> to get participation.  The winners up front is also a nice touch.
> 
> BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with the 
> EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used 
> to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> 
> 
So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we almost have a full
evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the official keeper of
the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, It should be
customary for everyone to publically announce their number of patch
pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a date on when the
patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?

Don

Great, Don.  Thanks!  

As I said before, I'll be happy to collect and package everything.

I think I'm going to create a topic in the Evolver forum at EX5Tech 
to keep up with this.  I've already lost track of the other 2 (?) 
people that said they'd contribute, so I need to go dig up those 
posts.  This is going to turn into a *long* thread, and it will be 
easier to keep track of, and easier for everyone here to see 
everything that has been said, if we move this one to a forum.  If 
anyone has a problem with that, just let me know.  I can compromise.  
Please don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm trying to "steal 
business" from the Yahoo group here.  Ravi and I get along great.  It 
would just be nice to consolidate what will become a rather long 
running discussion.  I'll go ahead an create the topic at EX5Tech, 
then post a link here when I'm finished.  If the majority here are 
against that idea, no problem... I'll drop it.

Thanks again, Don, for offering to contribute.  This is going to be a 
lot of fun, and I think it's going to encourage a lot more Evolvers 
to get INvolved!  ;)


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)" 
<gothard@s...> wrote:
>  
> > I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way 
> > to get participation.  The winners up front is also a nice touch.
> > 
> > BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with the 
> > EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used 
> > to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> > 
> > 
> So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we almost have a 
full
> evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the official 
keeper of
> the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, It should 
be
> customary for everyone to publically announce their number of patch
> pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a date on when 
the

> patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?
> 
> Don

OK - Here's a link to the topic I created in the EX5Tech forums to 
keep track of the Contest/Soundset:

http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009

Again, as I stated previously, let me know if this doesn't work for 
anyone.

Also, please look at the list of names I wrote in the EX5Tech topic.  
I tried to go through every post on the subject here in the Yahoo 
group, but I want to make *sure* that I didn't miss anyone.  Let me 
know if I did, and I'll edit the list.

Thanks!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" 
<ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> Great, Don.  Thanks!  
> 
> As I said before, I'll be happy to collect and package everything.
> 
> I think I'm going to create a topic in the Evolver forum at EX5Tech 
> to keep up with this.  I've already lost track of the other 2 (?) 
> people that said they'd contribute, so I need to go dig up those 
> posts.  This is going to turn into a *long* thread, and it will be 
> easier to keep track of, and easier for everyone here to see 
> everything that has been said, if we move this one to a forum.  If 
> anyone has a problem with that, just let me know.  I can 
compromise.  
> Please don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm trying to "steal 
> business" from the Yahoo group here.  Ravi and I get along great.  
It 
> would just be nice to consolidate what will become a rather long 
> running discussion.  I'll go ahead an create the topic at EX5Tech, 
> then post a link here when I'm finished.  If the majority here are 
> against that idea, no problem... I'll drop it.
> 
> Thanks again, Don, for offering to contribute.  This is going to be 
a 
> lot of fun, and I think it's going to encourage a lot more Evolvers 
> to get INvolved!  ;)
> 
> 
> Ski
> www.ex5tech.com
> EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)" 
> <gothard@s...> wrote:
> >  
> > > I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way 
> > > to get participation.  The winners up front is also a nice 
touch.
> > > 
> > > BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with the 
> > > EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used 
> > > to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> > > 
> > > 
> > So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we almost have a 
> full
> > evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the official 
> keeper of
> > the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, It 
should 
> be
> > customary for everyone to publically announce their number of 
patch
> > pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a date on 
when 

> the
> > patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?
> > 
> > Don

That's good. And all majory announcements should go this list as well so no 
one is left in the dark. People should first commit to making a few patches 
and then simply upload them when they are made to the a folder I have made 
on yahoogroups. When all the files are there, then you (Ski) can gather and 
form them into banks, etc. Somewhere along the line after that (or not) we 
can simply discuss which are our favorites, rather than have any official 
contest. The point is to create and amass patches for each other.

Here's a folder:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/files/2003_Patch_Collection/

When one uploads a file one can not only name it but put in a description. 
This would be good. We have not decided on a final nomenclature yet, so no 
rush, but get tweaking!

Ravi


>From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>
>Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
>Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:27:36 -0000
>
>OK - Here's a link to the topic I created in the EX5Tech forums to
>keep track of the Contest/Soundset:
>
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
>ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009
>
>Again, as I stated previously, let me know if this doesn't work for
>anyone.
>
>Also, please look at the list of names I wrote in the EX5Tech topic.
>I tried to go through every post on the subject here in the Yahoo
>group, but I want to make *sure* that I didn't miss anyone.  Let me
>know if I did, and I'll edit the list.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Ski
>www.ex5tech.com
>EX5Tech Evolver forum:
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
>
>
>--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>"
><ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> > Great, Don.  Thanks!
> >
> > As I said before, I'll be happy to collect and package everything.
> >
> > I think I'm going to create a topic in the Evolver forum at EX5Tech
> > to keep up with this.  I've already lost track of the other 2 (?)
> > people that said they'd contribute, so I need to go dig up those
> > posts.  This is going to turn into a *long* thread, and it will be
> > easier to keep track of, and easier for everyone here to see
> > everything that has been said, if we move this one to a forum.  If
> > anyone has a problem with that, just let me know.  I can
>compromise.
> > Please don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm trying to "steal
> > business" from the Yahoo group here.  Ravi and I get along great.
>It
> > would just be nice to consolidate what will become a rather long
> > running discussion.  I'll go ahead an create the topic at EX5Tech,
> > then post a link here when I'm finished.  If the majority here are
> > against that idea, no problem... I'll drop it.
> >
> > Thanks again, Don, for offering to contribute.  This is going to be
>a
> > lot of fun, and I think it's going to encourage a lot more Evolvers
> > to get INvolved!  ;)
> >
> >
> > Ski
> > www.ex5tech.com
> > EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)"
> > <gothard@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way
> > > > to get participation.  The winners up front is also a nice
>touch.
> > > >
> > > > BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with the
> > > > EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used
> > > > to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we almost have a
> > full
> > > evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the official
> > keeper of
> > > the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, It
>should
> > be
> > > customary for everyone to publically announce their number of
>patch
> > > pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a date on
>when
> > the
> > > patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?
> > >
> > > Don
>


_________________________________________________________________
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Great!  The group folder will work well for the purposes of people 
sending in their files.  I just realized that we have a total of 20 
mb, with 10 mb free.  That should be way more than enough.  I have 
some space, though, should we need more at any time for anything.

Also, should anyone have difficulty uploading their files to the 
group folder, just email them to Ravi and/or me.

I'll post the link to the folder over in the EX5Tech forum, too.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
wrote:
> That's good. And all majory announcements should go this list as 
well so no 
> one is left in the dark. People should first commit to making a few 
patches 
> and then simply upload them when they are made to the a folder I 
have made 
> on yahoogroups. When all the files are there, then you (Ski) can 
gather and 
> form them into banks, etc. Somewhere along the line after that (or 
not) we 
> can simply discuss which are our favorites, rather than have any 
official 
> contest. The point is to create and amass patches for each other.
> 
> Here's a folder:
> 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/files/2003_Patch_Collection/
> 
> When one uploads a file one can not only name it but put in a 
description. 
> This would be good. We have not decided on a final nomenclature 
yet, so no 
> rush, but get tweaking!
> 
> Ravi
> 
> 
> >From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" <ex5tech@e...>
> >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:27:36 -0000
> >
> >OK - Here's a link to the topic I created in the EX5Tech forums to
> >keep track of the Contest/Soundset:
> >
> >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> >ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009
> >
> >Again, as I stated previously, let me know if this doesn't work for
> >anyone.
> >
> >Also, please look at the list of names I wrote in the EX5Tech 
topic.
> >I tried to go through every post on the subject here in the Yahoo
> >group, but I want to make *sure* that I didn't miss anyone.  Let me
> >know if I did, and I'll edit the list.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >Ski
> >www.ex5tech.com
> >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> >
> >
> >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>"
> ><ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> > > Great, Don.  Thanks!
> > >
> > > As I said before, I'll be happy to collect and package 
everything.
> > >
> > > I think I'm going to create a topic in the Evolver forum at 
EX5Tech
> > > to keep up with this.  I've already lost track of the other 2 
(?)
> > > people that said they'd contribute, so I need to go dig up those
> > > posts.  This is going to turn into a *long* thread, and it will 
be
> > > easier to keep track of, and easier for everyone here to see
> > > everything that has been said, if we move this one to a forum.  
If
> > > anyone has a problem with that, just let me know.  I can
> >compromise.
> > > Please don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm trying 
to "steal
> > > business" from the Yahoo group here.  Ravi and I get along 
great.
> >It
> > > would just be nice to consolidate what will become a rather long
> > > running discussion.  I'll go ahead an create the topic at 
EX5Tech,
> > > then post a link here when I'm finished.  If the majority here 
are
> > > against that idea, no problem... I'll drop it.
> > >
> > > Thanks again, Don, for offering to contribute.  This is going 
to be
> >a
> > > lot of fun, and I think it's going to encourage a lot more 
Evolvers
> > > to get INvolved!  ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ski
> > > www.ex5tech.com
> > > EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)"
> > > <gothard@s...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great way
> > > > > to get participation.  The winners up front is also a nice
> >touch.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with 
the
> > > > > EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I used
> > > > > to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we almost 
have a

> > > full
> > > > evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the official
> > > keeper of
> > > > the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, It
> >should
> > > be
> > > > customary for everyone to publically announce their number of
> >patch
> > > > pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a date on
> >when
> > > the
> > > > patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?
> > > >
> > > > Don
> >
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* 
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Hi all!

New member here.  Just wanted to let you all know I've made a 
submission to the patch library / contest folder:

    Seq.GML.Funky1.A128.syx

Hope you like!

Regards,
Gary


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" 
<ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> Great!  The group folder will work well for the purposes of people 
> sending in their files.  I just realized that we have a total of 20 
> mb, with 10 mb free.  That should be way more than enough.  I have 
> some space, though, should we need more at any time for anything.
> 
> Also, should anyone have difficulty uploading their files to the 
> group folder, just email them to Ravi and/or me.
> 
> I'll post the link to the folder over in the EX5Tech forum, too.
> 
> 
> Ski
> www.ex5tech.com
> EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
> wrote:
> > That's good. And all majory announcements should go this list as 
> well so no 
> > one is left in the dark. People should first commit to making a 
few 
> patches 
> > and then simply upload them when they are made to the a folder I 
> have made 
> > on yahoogroups. When all the files are there, then you (Ski) can 
> gather and 
> > form them into banks, etc. Somewhere along the line after that 
(or 
> not) we 
> > can simply discuss which are our favorites, rather than have any 
> official 
> > contest. The point is to create and amass patches for each other.
> > 
> > Here's a folder:
> > 
> > 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/files/2003_Patch_Collection/
> > 
> > When one uploads a file one can not only name it but put in a 
> description. 
> > This would be good. We have not decided on a final nomenclature 
> yet, so no 
> > rush, but get tweaking!
> > 
> > Ravi
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" <ex5tech@e...>
> > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> > >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:27:36 -0000
> > >
> > >OK - Here's a link to the topic I created in the EX5Tech forums 
to
> > >keep track of the Contest/Soundset:
> > >
> > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> > >ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009
> > >
> > >Again, as I stated previously, let me know if this doesn't work 
for
> > >anyone.
> > >
> > >Also, please look at the list of names I wrote in the EX5Tech 
> topic.
> > >I tried to go through every post on the subject here in the Yahoo
> > >group, but I want to make *sure* that I didn't miss anyone.  Let 
me
> > >know if I did, and I'll edit the list.
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >Ski
> > >www.ex5tech.com
> > >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>"
> > ><ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> > > > Great, Don.  Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > As I said before, I'll be happy to collect and package 
> everything.
> > > >
> > > > I think I'm going to create a topic in the Evolver forum at 
> EX5Tech
> > > > to keep up with this.  I've already lost track of the other 2 
> (?)
> > > > people that said they'd contribute, so I need to go dig up 
those
> > > > posts.  This is going to turn into a *long* thread, and it 
will 
> be
> > > > easier to keep track of, and easier for everyone here to see
> > > > everything that has been said, if we move this one to a 
forum.  
> If
> > > > anyone has a problem with that, just let me know.  I can
> > >compromise.
> > > > Please don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm trying 
> to "steal
> > > > business" from the Yahoo group here.  Ravi and I get along 
> great.
> > >It
> > > > would just be nice to consolidate what will become a rather 
long
> > > > running discussion.  I'll go ahead an create the topic at 
> EX5Tech,
> > > > then post a link here when I'm finished.  If the majority 
here 
> are
> > > > against that idea, no problem... I'll drop it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again, Don, for offering to contribute.  This is going 
> to be
> > >a
> > > > lot of fun, and I think it's going to encourage a lot more 
> Evolvers
> > > > to get INvolved!  ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ski
> > > > www.ex5tech.com
> > > > EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > > > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=forum&f=23
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)"
> > > > <gothard@s...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  Great 
way
> > > > > > to get participation.  The winners up front is also a nice
> > >touch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts with 
> the
> > > > > > EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I 
used
> > > > > > to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we almost 
> have a
> > > > full
> > > > > evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the 
official
> > > > keeper of
> > > > > the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, It
> > >should
> > > > be
> > > > > customary for everyone to publically announce their number 
of
> > >patch
> > > > > pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a date 
on

> > >when
> > > > the
> > > > > patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* 
> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Thanks, Gary.  I have the file, and have added your name to the list 
in the EX5Tech forum thread at the following link:  
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009

It would help me out a bit if everyone could make their responses in 
the forum thread, but I'll take them any way I can get them.  :)


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr_rock <mr_rock@c...>" 
<mr_rock@c...> wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> New member here.  Just wanted to let you all know I've made a 
> submission to the patch library / contest folder:
> 
>     Seq.GML.Funky1.A128.syx
> 
> Hope you like!
> 
> Regards,
> Gary
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" 
> <ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> > Great!  The group folder will work well for the purposes of 
people 
> > sending in their files.  I just realized that we have a total of 
20 
> > mb, with 10 mb free.  That should be way more than enough.  I 
have 
> > some space, though, should we need more at any time for anything.
> > 
> > Also, should anyone have difficulty uploading their files to the 
> > group folder, just email them to Ravi and/or me.
> > 
> > I'll post the link to the folder over in the EX5Tech forum, too.
> > 
> > 
> > Ski
> > www.ex5tech.com
> > EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Sharma" <noision1@h...> 
> > wrote:
> > > That's good. And all majory announcements should go this list 
as 
> > well so no 
> > > one is left in the dark. People should first commit to making a 
> few 
> > patches 
> > > and then simply upload them when they are made to the a folder 
I 
> > have made 
> > > on yahoogroups. When all the files are there, then you (Ski) 
can 
> > gather and 
> > > form them into banks, etc. Somewhere along the line after that 
> (or 
> > not) we 
> > > can simply discuss which are our favorites, rather than have 
any 
> > official 
> > > contest. The point is to create and amass patches for each 
other.
> > > 
> > > Here's a folder:
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/files/2003_Patch_Collection/
> > > 
> > > When one uploads a file one can not only name it but put in a 
> > description. 
> > > This would be good. We have not decided on a final nomenclature 
> > yet, so no 
> > > rush, but get tweaking!
> > > 
> > > Ravi
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@e...>" <ex5tech@e...>
> > > >Reply-To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Evolver] Re: Patch Contest / User Forum Soundset
> > > >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:27:36 -0000
> > > >
> > > >OK - Here's a link to the topic I created in the EX5Tech 
forums 
> to
> > > >keep track of the Contest/Soundset:
> > > >
> > > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> > > >ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009
> > > >
> > > >Again, as I stated previously, let me know if this doesn't 
work 
> for
> > > >anyone.
> > > >
> > > >Also, please look at the list of names I wrote in the EX5Tech 
> > topic.
> > > >I tried to go through every post on the subject here in the 
Yahoo
> > > >group, but I want to make *sure* that I didn't miss anyone.  
Let 
> me
> > > >know if I did, and I'll edit the list.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ski
> > > >www.ex5tech.com
> > > >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > > >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech 
<ex5tech@e...>"
> > > ><ex5tech@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Great, Don.  Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said before, I'll be happy to collect and package 
> > everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I'm going to create a topic in the Evolver forum at 
> > EX5Tech
> > > > > to keep up with this.  I've already lost track of the other 
2 
> > (?)
> > > > > people that said they'd contribute, so I need to go dig up 
> those
> > > > > posts.  This is going to turn into a *long* thread, and it 
> will 
> > be
> > > > > easier to keep track of, and easier for everyone here to see
> > > > > everything that has been said, if we move this one to a 
> forum.  
> > If
> > > > > anyone has a problem with that, just let me know.  I can
> > > >compromise.
> > > > > Please don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm trying 
> > to "steal
> > > > > business" from the Yahoo group here.  Ravi and I get along 
> > great.
> > > >It
> > > > > would just be nice to consolidate what will become a rather 
> long
> > > > > running discussion.  I'll go ahead an create the topic at 
> > EX5Tech,
> > > > > then post a link here when I'm finished.  If the majority 
> here 
> > are
> > > > > against that idea, no problem... I'll drop it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again, Don, for offering to contribute.  This is 
going 
> > to be
> > > >a
> > > > > lot of fun, and I think it's going to encourage a lot more 
> > Evolvers
> > > > > to get INvolved!  ;)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ski
> > > > > www.ex5tech.com
> > > > > EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> > > > > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> ubb=forum&f=23
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Don Gothard \(dg\)"
> > > > > <gothard@s...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm game!  I like the idea of the soundset a lot.  
Great 
> way
> > > > > > > to get participation.  The winners up front is also a 
nice
> > > >touch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW Ski I pretty familiar with your site and efforts 
with 
> > the
> > > > > > > EX5.  I have an EX5r and when I was actively using it I 
> used
> > > > > > > to pour over your site for info.  Great job with that!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > So If we get 30 people to pledge 10 patches each we 
almost 
> > have a
> > > > > full
> > > > > > evolver soundset.  So Ski if you volunteer to be the 
> official
> > > > > keeper of
> > > > > > the pledges and the soundset put me down for 10 patches, 
It
> > > >should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > customary for everyone to publically announce their 
number 
> of
> > > >patch
> > > > > > pledges and ski can keep a running tab, also we need a 
date 
> on
> > > >when
> > > > > the
> > > > > > patches should be completed by, say about a month or so ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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