ComputerVoltageSources

Would it be possible to use a small pc mounted relay to
connect/disconect the +5 and Vref based on +15 being present?  That
way loss of +15 protects the part?  In which case +5 being from +15
makes no difference.

Larry T.

(If I designed software the way some engineers design hardware, I'd be
out of a job.  Interesting that this part is designed for a perfect,
failure proof world!)

--- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter"
<grichter@...> wrote:
>
> The note on power supply sequencing is on page 12 of the
DAC8420_a.pdf file.
> 
> They say it can take some milliseconds of fault condition, but not
how many.
> 
> I would rather not gamble.
> 
> --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter"
<grichter@> wrote:
> >
> > On the CVS board, we have to have control of power supply
sequencing to prevent 
> blowing 
> > up the expensive DAC chip (see the datasheet). The +5 and Vref
supplies HAVE to come 
> > up AFTER the +/- 15 volts. And they can NOT stay on if the 15
volts goes away even for 
> a 
> > few milliseconds. The only way to assure this is to derive these
supplies from +15 
> supply 
> > and minimize the energy stored in capacitors after the 5v regulator.
> > 
> > You have to double check your power supply sequencing, otherwise
magic smoke will 
> > appear. On multi supply devices, there are substrate diodes
connecting 5 and 15 volts 
> that 
> > don't appear on the schematic. If the 15 volts supply fails or is
temporarily shorted, but 
> > not the 5 volt supply, this can reverse bias substrate diodes and
blow metal vapor all 
> over 
> > the inside of a chip.
> > 
> > For an LCD display board. I sure hope the 200 ma backlight
connector is on a seperate 
> pad 
> > from the main 5 volt so the wires can be run seperately. A display
module probably 
> > doesn't need 15 volts at all.
> > 
> > But we will have to consider the case where 5 volts is on but
either the +15 or -15 volt 
> > supply is off. We don't want the LCD module supplying destructive
currents BACK to the 
> > CVS in a fault condition.
> > 
> > --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "Larry T." <larry@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > If you only want to supply pads, thats okay, but PLEASE supply the
> > > pads, polyswitches and diode locations for all 3 voltages.  It
should
> > > be very easy to make all of the boards switch between using the +15
> > > w/a regulator and using +5 direct by choosing between the regulator
> > > and parts or the polyswitch and parts.  I will point out that
more and
> > > more +5v components are showing up in our analog systems and
probably
> > > has a lot to do with MOTM moving to a 6 pin conector and a 3 voltage
> > > supply.
> > > 
> > > Larry T.
> > > 
> > > --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, Harry Bissell Jr
> > > <harrybissell@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn good idea.
> > > >   
> > > >   The polyswitch fuses can also improve on-card
> > > >   power supply filtering (by being slightly resistive)
> > > >   and cause a softer start on the power supply.
> > > >   
> > > >   H^) harry
> > > > 
> > > > Grant Richter <grichter@> wrote:          Here is a practical
idea.
> > > >   
> > > >   You have three pads labeled +V, Ground and -V. These go to
> > > resetable polyfuses and 
> > > >   1N4001 diodes to protect the circuitry in case the 12 year old
> > > science fair student hooks 
> > > >   something up wrong. 
> > > >   
> > > >   direct link to schematic:
> > > >   http://www.blacet.com/techPS.gif
> > > >   
> > > >   From John Blacets fine technical page.
> > > >   
> > > >   http://www.blacet.com/tech.html
> > > >   
> > > >   Then the end user can wire up ANY kind of connector he wants to
> > > hook up to those three 
> > > >   pads. 
> > > >   
> > > >   The 1/3 square inch of board spaced used can substitute for
the 2
> > > square inches of board 
> > > >   space it would take to support every possible connector type
that
> > > will probably change or 
> > > >   go obsolete anyway, and who has all the mechanical drawings need
> > > to make the custom 
> > > >   PC board connector footprints? And who is going to take
> > > responsibility for everything 
> > > >   being correct with each connector type, and what if the
> > > manufacturer changes the pinout 
> > > >   or adds something new??????
> > > >   
> > > >   Just take an existing "fill in the blank" system power
cable, chop
> > > one end off and solder 
> > > >   the appropriate three wires to the three pads on the CVS
board and
> > > be done with it.
> > > >   
> > > >   --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink"
> > > <jloffink@> wrote:
> > > >   >
> > > >   > Good point.  Here's what could be supported based upon PCB
> > > stuffing options:
> > > >   > 
> > > >   > Synthesizers.com 6 pin 0.100"
> > > >   > MOTM/Blacet 4 pin 0.156" add 5 V regulator
> > > >   > MOTM 6 pin 0.156"
> > > >   > Modcan 3 pin 0.156" add 5 V regulator
> > > >   > 
> > > >   > Any others?
> > > >   > 
> > > >   > John Loffink
> > > >   > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > >   > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > >   > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > >   > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > > >   > 
> > > >   > 
> > > >   > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >   > > From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> > > >   > > [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Larry T.
> > > >   > > 
> > > >   > > I would like to suggest that, if at all possible, we include
> > > both the
> > > >   > > Blacet/MOTM 4 pin +/-15v power connector. and the
Synthesizers.com
> > > >   > > +5/+/-15v 6 pin connector.  The board could allow for the
> > > optional +15
> > > >   > > to +5 regulators when using the 4 pin connector.  Some of us
> > > already
> > > >   > > have +5 in our systems, and generally, no matter how much
> > > ANYTHING you
> > > >   > > come up with will use (short of a room heater), the +5v
supply is
> > > >   > > never anywhere near being used to it's rated output.  I note
> > > that some
> > > >   > > of the newer MOTM boards also use a seperate +5v supply.
> > > >   > > 
> > > >   > > I bring this up in part because of the LED/LCD/VFD
> > > discussions, and
> > > >   > > partly because the MPU in consideration has requirements for
> > > +5v, and
> > > >   > > I really don't want to add more +15 to +5 regulators to
my already
> > > >   > > stressed out +15v supply, when I have 4-6A of un-touched
+5 just
> > > >   > > sitting around asking to be used.
> > >
> >
>