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2012-12-01 by mz82003
Hi, I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an 8-voice 16-DCO CZ synth. I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be programmed to respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? Thanks.
2012-12-01 by Jason Adkins
Hiya, I think they are,like the Yamaha DX27/100 for example. J
On 1 Dec 2012, at 20:22, mz82003 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an 8- > voice 16-DCO CZ synth. > > I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that > can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: > > Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be programmed > to respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? > > Thanks. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2012-12-01 by 350ypvs@googlemail.com
As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of the other CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch sensitive, even via MIDI. All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. The 101/ 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a single DCO line). CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of the CZ models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. Hope this helps! Chas On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hi, > > I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an 8-voice > 16-DCO CZ synth. > > I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that can > generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: > > Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be programmed to > respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? > > Thanks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-12-02 by Jason Adkins
Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an CZ3000/5000 I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a controller too because I never had money at the time I just would have thought it would have responded to velocity over midi but I sold them before I actually got a velocity sensitive keyboard to try them out.
On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote: > As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of > the other > CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch sensitive, even via > MIDI. > > All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. The > 101/ > 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a single DCO > line). > > CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of the CZ > models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. > > Hope this helps! > > Chas > > On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an >> 8-voice >> 16-DCO CZ synth. >> >> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that >> can >> generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: >> >> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be >> programmed to >> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2012-12-02 by charlie midi gfa
fz has similar engine as cz and is velo senctive ..a.T too! if you don't need controller than try for a fz or vz as matter of fact cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. chaz ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an CZ3000/5000 > I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a controller too because > I never had money at the time I just would have thought it would have > responded to velocity over midi but I sold them before I actually got > a velocity sensitive keyboard to try them out. > > > On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote: > >> As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of >> the other >> CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch sensitive, even via >> MIDI. >> >> All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. The >> 101/ >> 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a single DCO >> line). >> >> CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of the CZ >> models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Chas >> >> On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an >>> 8-voice >>> 16-DCO CZ synth. >>> >>> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that >>> can >>> generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: >>> >>> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be >>> programmed to >>> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2012-12-03 by jpshea
To answer this question (and indeed for any MIDI synth), just check the device's MIDI Implementation Chart. In particular, make sure there's a "yes" under the Note On Velocity - receive column. Here's the ref from MMA: http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midi_chart-v2.pdf Normally, you'll find the implementation chart at the back of the user manual. Regards, JPS --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
> > Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an CZ3000/5000 > I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a controller too because > I never had money at the time I just would have thought it would have > responded to velocity over midi but I sold them before I actually got > a velocity sensitive keyboard to try them out. > > > On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote: > > > As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of > > the other > > CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch sensitive, even via > > MIDI. > > > > All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. The > > 101/ > > 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a single DCO > > line). > > > > CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of the CZ > > models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Chas > > > > On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an > >> 8-voice > >> 16-DCO CZ synth. > >> > >> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that > >> can > >> generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: > >> > >> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be > >> programmed to > >> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2012-12-03 by Daniel Forró
CZ3000 transmits velocity value 64, and changes received velocity 1-127 to value 64. CZ101 the same. In CZ5000 Owner's manual velocity isn't mentioned at all, so it's not transmitted and received. CZ1000, CZ230S the same. There's no parameter concerning programming the reaction to received velocity. Daniel Forro
On 2 Dec, 2012, at 5:22 AM, mz82003 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an 8- > voice 16-DCO CZ synth. > > I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that > can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: > > Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be programmed > to respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb?
2012-12-03 by charlie midi gfa
okay messages are still delayed ? sent friday i think and this one is sent sunday at 10:30pm chaz ----- Original Message -----
From: "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > fz has similar engine as cz and is velo senctive ..a.T too! > if you don't need controller than try for a fz or vz as matter of fact > > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. > > chaz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > > >> Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an CZ3000/5000 >> I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a controller too because >> I never had money at the time I just would have thought it would have >> responded to velocity over midi but I sold them before I actually got >> a velocity sensitive keyboard to try them out. >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote: >> >>> As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of >>> the other >>> CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch sensitive, even via >>> MIDI. >>> >>> All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. The >>> 101/ >>> 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a single DCO >>> line). >>> >>> CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of the CZ >>> models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> Chas >>> >>> On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an >>>> 8-voice >>>> 16-DCO CZ synth. >>>> >>>> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that >>>> can >>>> generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: >>>> >>>> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be >>>> programmed to >>>> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2012-12-03 by Summa
Sure, since you're moderated. On 2 Dec 2012 at 22:36, charlie midi gfa wrote: > okay messages are still delayed ? > sent friday i think > and this one is sent sunday at 10:30pm > > chaz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > > > > fz has similar engine as cz and is velo senctive ..a.T too! > > if you don't need controller than try for a fz or vz as matter of > > fact > > > > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. > > > > chaz > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > > > > > >> Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an > >> CZ3000/5000 I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a > >> controller too because I never had money at the time I just would > >> have thought it would have responded to velocity over midi but I > >> sold them before I actually got a velocity sensitive keyboard to > >> try them out. > >> > >> > >> On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote: > >> > >>> As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of > >>> the other CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch > >>> sensitive, even via MIDI. > >>> > >>> All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. > >>> The 101/ 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a > >>> single DCO line). > >>> > >>> CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of > >>> the CZ models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. > >>> > >>> Hope this helps! > >>> > >>> Chas > >>> > >>> On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ** > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of > >>>> an 8-voice 16-DCO CZ synth. > >>>> > >>>> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard > >>>> that can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: > >>>> > >>>> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be > >>>> programmed to > >>>> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
2012-12-03 by charlie midi gfa
HOW COME I AM MODERATED? ITS ONLY BEEN 23 YEARS MAKING MIDI MUSIC .... ANYBODY ELSE MODERATED...? CHAZ ----- Original Message -----
From: "Summa" <flotorian@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > Sure, since you're moderated. > > On 2 Dec 2012 at 22:36, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> okay messages are still delayed ? >> sent friday i think >> and this one is sent sunday at 10:30pm >> >> chaz >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? >> >> >> > fz has similar engine as cz and is velo senctive ..a.T too! >> > if you don't need controller than try for a fz or vz as matter of >> > fact >> > >> > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. >> > >> > chaz >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:36 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? >> > >> > >> >> Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an >> >> CZ3000/5000 I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a >> >> controller too because I never had money at the time I just would >> >> have thought it would have responded to velocity over midi but I >> >> sold them before I actually got a velocity sensitive keyboard to >> >> try them out. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote: >> >> >> >>> As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of >> >>> the other CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch >> >>> sensitive, even via MIDI. >> >>> >> >>> All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths. >> >>> The 101/ 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a >> >>> single DCO line). >> >>> >> >>> CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of >> >>> the CZ models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful. >> >>> >> >>> Hope this helps! >> >>> >> >>> Chas >> >>> >> >>> On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> ** >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi, >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of >> >>>> an 8-voice 16-DCO CZ synth. >> >>>> >> >>>> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard >> >>>> that can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: >> >>>> >> >>>> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be >> >>>> programmed to >> >>>> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------ >> >>> >> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator > FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- > synthesis/ > > http://www.summasounds.de/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2012-12-03 by Daniel Forró
CZ1 has nothing common with GM standard. Daniel Forro On 2 Dec, 2012, at 9:56 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t.
2012-12-03 by jammie
i also get my messages late but not just on cz i also get them week late on the k5000 forum and on one of the kurzweil forums im on and i have been a member of these forums for for a very long time
----- Original Message -----
From: charlie midi gfa
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive?
HOW COME I AM MODERATED? ITS ONLY BEEN 23 YEARS MAKING MIDI MUSIC ....
ANYBODY ELSE MODERATED...?
CHAZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Summa" <flotorian@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive?
> Sure, since you're moderated.
>
> On 2 Dec 2012 at 22:36, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> okay messages are still delayed ?
>> sent friday i think
>> and this one is sent sunday at 10:30pm
>>
>> chaz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...>
>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive?
>>
>>
>> > fz has similar engine as cz and is velo senctive ..a.T too!
>> > if you don't need controller than try for a fz or vz as matter of
>> > fact
>> >
>> > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t.
>> >
>> > chaz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:36 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Sorry I think your correct,its a long time since I used an
>> >> CZ3000/5000 I just assumed it could be,I was using it as a
>> >> controller too because I never had money at the time I just would
>> >> have thought it would have responded to velocity over midi but I
>> >> sold them before I actually got a velocity sensitive keyboard to
>> >> try them out.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1 Dec 2012, at 23:10, 350ypvs@... wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> As far as I'm aware, only the CZ-1 is velocity sensitive. None of
>> >>> the other CZ's to my knowledge are velocity/ after-touch
>> >>> sensitive, even via MIDI.
>> >>>
>> >>> All models bar the CZ101/ 1000/ 230S are 8 voice/ 16 DCO synths.
>> >>> The 101/ 1000/ 230S are 4 voice/ 8 DCO (or 8 voice with just a
>> >>> single DCO line).
>> >>>
>> >>> CZ-1's come up occasionally but seem to be one of the rarest of
>> >>> the CZ models. 101/ 1000/ 3000/ 5000 are more plentiful.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope this helps!
>> >>>
>> >>> Chas
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1 December 2012 20:22, mz82003 <mz82003@...> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> **
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of
>> >>>> an 8-voice 16-DCO CZ synth.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard
>> >>>> that can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be
>> >>>> programmed to
>> >>>> respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-12-03 by Þórhallur Skúlason
hi Where can I find Patch-Banks (Sysex format) for CZ1? Best THOR
2012-12-03 by Summa
Daniel, this is happening all the time and I could only guess what false information could do to an inexperienced user. Someone might spending his last dime buying CZ-1 when searching for a GM Synth. If someone on this forum feels up to correct Charles in cases he's spreading superficial knowledge with such a confidence, I'd be happy to end moderating him. ...Summa On 3 Dec 2012 at 14:33, Daniel Forró wrote: > CZ1 has nothing common with GM standard. > > Daniel Forro > > > On 2 Dec, 2012, at 9:56 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. > On 3 Dec 2012 at 14:30, Daniel Forró wrote: > New? Jupiter 80 was introduced in 2011... > > Just those patch sets are new. > > Daniel Forro > > > On 3 Dec, 2012, at 9:26 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > http://www.rolandus.com/go/jupiter-80/ > > > > yep powerfull > > > > a new take on the old grand daddy synth > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
2012-12-03 by steve_the_composer
In my experience: --neither the CZ-3000 nor the CZ-5000 (a) respond to or (b) transmit non-zero velocity data other than treating it all as 64 (as has been mentioned). --the CZ-3000 is a CZ-5000 without the sequencer. --the CZ-3000 does allow sequencer sysex commands to access the memory [storage] that would be used if it were a CZ-5000 and had a sequencer. As for reading manuals and midi implementation charts (someone suggested doing so), while in general that is the first place to look, sometimes (with some gear) there can be undocumented features. For example, the CZ sequencer (true with the synth engine, too) can have data sent to it via sysex bulk data messages that you cannot do via the panel. Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mz82003" <mz82003@...> wrote:
> > Hi, > > I'm new to the CZ community and I'm currentmly on the search of an 8-voice 16-DCO CZ synth. > > I know the CZ-1 is the only one in the family whith a keyboard that can generate velocity and AT, but I'm wondering: > > Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive, i.e. can they be programmed to respond to velocity when used with a sequencer or a master kb? > > Thanks. >
2012-12-03 by narfman96
I created 471 patches for the CZ1 and uploaded them here in the group. These were the best CZ patches I found and then I added velocity and aftertouch settings to them to make them more expressive for the CZ1. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/CZ%20-%20Sounds.../ There are also 3 other banks in the same location. Glad to help out the god of thunder... Narf --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Þórhallur Skúlason <djthor54@...> wrote:
> > hi > > Where can I find Patch-Banks (Sysex format) for CZ1? > > Best > THOR >
2012-12-04 by charlie midi gfa
daniel whats the correct term i should use? it has velocity it has after touch probally program change too.... its a step closer to the actual GM standard, at least if used as a controller for some gm devices its got pitch bend . modulation .....too before i google it is gm a set of patches or is gm general midi i think i answered the original post quite well except had a few day delay charlie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Summa" <flotorian@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? Daniel, this is happening all the time and I could only guess what false information could do to an inexperienced user. Someone might spending his last dime buying CZ-1 when searching for a GM Synth. If someone on this forum feels up to correct Charles in cases he's spreading superficial knowledge with such a confidence, I'd be happy to end moderating him. ...Summa On 3 Dec 2012 at 14:33, Daniel Forró wrote: > CZ1 has nothing common with GM standard. > > Daniel Forro > > > On 2 Dec, 2012, at 9:56 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. > On 3 Dec 2012 at 14:30, Daniel Forró wrote: > New? Jupiter 80 was introduced in 2011... > > Just those patch sets are new. > > Daniel Forro > > > On 3 Dec, 2012, at 9:26 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > http://www.rolandus.com/go/jupiter-80/ > > > > yep powerfull > > > > a new take on the old grand daddy synth > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2012-12-04 by charlie midi gfa
can a cz read cz101 patches? if so i have a bank or two i compilled or made charlie
----- Original Message ----- From: "narfman96" <narfman96@yahoo.com> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: [CZsynth] Re: CZ1 Patches - Samples I created 471 patches for the CZ1 and uploaded them here in the group. These were the best CZ patches I found and then I added velocity and aftertouch settings to them to make them more expressive for the CZ1. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/CZ%20-%20Sounds.../ There are also 3 other banks in the same location. Glad to help out the god of thunder... Narf --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Þórhallur Skúlason <djthor54@...> wrote: > > hi > > Where can I find Patch-Banks (Sysex format) for CZ1? > > Best > THOR > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2012-12-04 by Þórhallur Skúlason
THANKS :) On Dec 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > can a cz read cz101 patches? > if so i have a bank or two i compilled or made > > charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "narfman96" <narfman96@yahoo.com> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:30 PM > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: CZ1 Patches - Samples > > I created 471 patches for the CZ1 and uploaded them here in the group. These > were the best CZ patches I found and then I added velocity and aftertouch > settings to them to make them more expressive for the CZ1. > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/CZ%20-%20Sounds.../ > There are also 3 other banks in the same location. > Glad to help out the god of thunder... Narf > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, ��rhallur Sk�lason <djthor54@...> wrote: > > > > hi > > > > Where can I find Patch-Banks (Sysex format) for CZ1? > > > > Best > > THOR > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-12-04 by Daniel Forró
Correct term for what? Almost all MIDI instruments have velocity, aftertouch, program change, pitch bend, modulation, sustain... It's a basic MIDI function set. Of course such instrument can control any other MIDI instrument, also GM instruments. GM is General MIDI standard. Part of it are all those mentioned features. But the main reason for inventing GM was deeper standardization of patch set, controller set, drum sounds assigning to keys, velocity and controllers curves and some other features. Before GM there were some other standards, like Roland C/M (MT32), Yamaha PK, DOC, RX... GM was introduced in 1991, Casio CZ was produced few years before, so it's not GM compatible. And later better standards came - 1991 Roland GS, 1993 Yamaha TG300B, since 1994 few generations of Yamaha XG, since 1999 GM2, Yamaha XF... Daniel Forro
On 4 Dec, 2012, at 12:01 PM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > daniel whats the correct term i should use? > > it has velocity > it has after touch > probally program change too.... > > its a step closer to the actual GM standard, > at least if used as a controller for some gm devices > > its got pitch bend . modulation .....too > > before i google it > is gm a set of patches > or > is gm general midi > > > i think i answered the original post quite well except had a few day > delay > > charlie
2012-12-04 by Simon Beck
GM stands for General MIDI. It is a set of atandards intended to ensure that MIDI sequence data files are played back using appropriate sounds, although the type of sound generation, realism and exact sound used are not specified. If you have a MIDI file of, say a jazz trio of grand piano, upright bass and drums and you play it into a GM-compatible synth, you can be sure that the sounds used will at least vaguely resemble a piano, acoustic bass and drums, although the actual sounds may not be the same as those on a different GM-compatible unit. The original GM sound set comprised 128 sounds covering orchestral, electric and ethnic instruments, plus drums, synth pads, synth effects and a few seemingly random sound effects. There were many omissions - no Wurlitzer electric piano, combo organ, contra-bassoon, tabla, mandolin etc. Many of these have been provided by the revised GM2 spec. > before i google it is gm a set of patches or is gm general midi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-12-04 by José Ángel Morente
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:01 AM, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>wrote: > ** > > > daniel whats the correct term i should use? > > it has velocity > it has after touch > probally program change too.... > > its a step closer to the actual GM standard, > I guess you are confusing 'MIDI' with 'General MIDI'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_midi GM is mainly a standardization for patch numbers and instruments. Thus, a GM enabled synthesizer would always play a "piano" on patch number 01, a violin on patch 41, etc. Furthermore, it should be able to play a standard GM drum kit on MIDI channel 10 and be 16 part multitimbral. Velocity, pressure, pitch bend, etc. are usually found on many non-GM synthesizers (before and after GM was established). > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-12-04 by Summa
On 3 Dec 2012 at 22:01, charlie midi gfa wrote: > daniel whats the correct term i should use? At least no exactly defined standard like GM > > it has velocity > it has after touch > probally program change too.... But missing about 80% of the GM specs... > its a step closer to the actual GM standard, but not even close, a Synth like the MT32 is an entry level GM- Synth... > at least if used as a controller for some gm devices GM has nothing to do with the ability as Keyboard Controller... > its got pitch bend . modulation .....too Like about 90% of the polyphonic synths > before i google it > is gm a set of patches > or > is gm general midi It's a combination of both and alot more than that...
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI -------- Minimums specs for a GM device: GM synthesizers are required to be able to: Allow 24 voices to be active simultaneously (including at least 16 melodic and 8 percussive voices) Respond to note velocity Support all 16 channels simultaneously (with channel 10 reserved for percussion) Support polyphony (multiple simultaneous notes) on each channel ---------- Have a look at: http://www.midi.org/ > i think i answered the original post quite well except had a few day delay > > charlie > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Summa" <flotorian@freenet.de> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Are the CZ-3000/5000 velocity sensitive? > > > Daniel, > > this is happening all the time and I could only guess what false > information could do to an inexperienced user. Someone might spending > his last dime buying CZ-1 when searching for a GM Synth. > If someone on this forum feels up to correct Charles in cases he's > spreading superficial knowledge with such a confidence, I'd be happy > to end moderating him. > > ...Summa > > > > On 3 Dec 2012 at 14:33, Daniel Forró wrote: > > > CZ1 has nothing common with GM standard. > > > > Daniel Forro > > > > > > On 2 Dec, 2012, at 9:56 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > > > cz-1 only gm entry level synt,,other have no velo or a.t. > > > > On 3 Dec 2012 at 14:30, Daniel Forró wrote: > > > New? Jupiter 80 was introduced in 2011... > > > > Just those patch sets are new. > > > > Daniel Forro > > > > > > On 3 Dec, 2012, at 9:26 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > > > http://www.rolandus.com/go/jupiter-80/ > > > > > > yep powerfull > > > > > > a new take on the old grand daddy synth > > > > > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator > FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- > synthesis/ > > http://www.summasounds.de/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
2012-12-04 by Summa
On 4 Dec 2012 at 16:37, Summa wrote: > a Synth like the MT32 is an entry level GM- > Synth... > Specification wise, since it's not completely covering the standard, it's one of the predecessors to GM. -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
2012-12-04 by Jason Adkins
Isn't this a bit off topic? I'll throw the D110 into the ring as GM non GM too. I think the moderator needs moderating..... ;) J
On 4 Dec 2012, at 16:00, Summa wrote: > On 4 Dec 2012 at 16:37, Summa wrote: > >> a Synth like the MT32 is an entry level GM- >> Synth... >> > > Specification wise, since it's not completely covering the standard, > it's one of the predecessors to GM. > > -- > > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator > FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- > synthesis/ > > http://www.summasounds.de/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2012-12-04 by Daniel Forró
More precisely I wanted to say (in the case of CZ5000, 1000, 230S): of course velocity is transmitted and received, because it's part of Note On (and Note Off) message, but probably the same way as CZ3000 and 101. Daniel Forro
On 3 Dec, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Daniel Forró wrote: > CZ3000 transmits velocity value 64, and changes received velocity > 1-127 to value 64. > > CZ101 the same. > > In CZ5000 Owner's manual velocity isn't mentioned at all, so it's not > transmitted and received. > > CZ1000, CZ230S the same. > > There's no parameter concerning programming the reaction to received > velocity.
2012-12-04 by Summa
On 4 Dec 2012 at 16:32, Jason Adkins wrote: > Isn't this a bit off topic? I'll throw the D110 into the ring as GM > non GM too. > I think the moderator needs moderating..... ;) > > J > Mistakenly sent out the first mail a bit too early, had a long night and a DYI Neighbour hammering thru the morning and even my earplugs weren't able to block this ;) Very noisy but unfortunately not exactly rhythmic :-S I'm not sure if something like the Roland utility or GM Instrument Definition file that remaps the MT32 sounds to GM order is avaible for the D110 as well. http://www.queststudios.com/roland/utilities.html > On 4 Dec 2012, at 16:00, Summa wrote: > > > On 4 Dec 2012 at 16:37, Summa wrote: > > > >> a Synth like the MT32 is an entry level GM- > >> Synth... > >> > > > > Specification wise, since it's not completely covering the standard, > > it's one of the predecessors to GM. > > > > -- > > > > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > > FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ > > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator > > FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- > > synthesis/ > > > > http://www.summasounds.de/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
2012-12-04 by Jason Adkins
Oh God I know what you mean I live next door to a wanker like that... Bloody asshole,I will force him to hammer at the rhythm of the James Brown band
On 4 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Summa wrote: > On 4 Dec 2012 at 16:32, Jason Adkins wrote: > >> Isn't this a bit off topic? I'll throw the D110 into the ring as GM >> non GM too. >> I think the moderator needs moderating..... ;) >> >> J >> > > Mistakenly sent out the first mail a bit too early, had a long night > and a DYI Neighbour hammering thru the morning and even my earplugs > weren't able to block this ;) Very noisy but unfortunately not > exactly rhythmic :-S > > > I'm not sure if something like the Roland utility or GM Instrument > Definition file that remaps the MT32 sounds to GM order is avaible > for the D110 as well. > > http://www.queststudios.com/roland/utilities.html > >> On 4 Dec 2012, at 16:00, Summa wrote: >> >>> On 4 Dec 2012 at 16:37, Summa wrote: >>> >>>> a Synth like the MT32 is an entry level GM- >>>> Synth... >>>> >>> >>> Specification wise, since it's not completely covering the standard, >>> it's one of the predecessors to GM. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth >>> FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ >>> FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ >>> Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator >>> FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- >>> synthesis/ >>> >>> http://www.summasounds.de/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > FS1R mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fs1r/ > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator > FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fm- > synthesis/ > > http://www.summasounds.de/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >