AVR-Chat

Dave,

> Has anyone on here done any development with the FPSlic?

yeah, i had a go with it.

> I'm a bit put off by the licensing requirements for the toolchain,
> but this appears an attractive option for an upcoming project.

I got annoyed with the licensing, 90 day trial? I mean thats just not long 
enough.
I think there was an option where you could have a license for 6 months, and 
then it expired unless you gave them some code they could 'own', then you 
could have another 6 months.. sheer lunnacy...

Paul

As an aside (this doesn't refer to AVR's), Altera will evidently give you 
a 6-month license for their programs for CPLD's (MAX+PLUSII and Quartus).  
After the 6 months is up, you can just renew it free.

The license isn't even needed if you just want to program the CPLD's with 
an already assembled file (.pof).  It is needed if you want to write code 
for them.

Zack

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Paul Maddox wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> > Has anyone on here done any development with the FPSlic?
> 
> yeah, i had a go with it.
> 
> > I'm a bit put off by the licensing requirements for the toolchain,
> > but this appears an attractive option for an upcoming project.
> 
> I got annoyed with the licensing, 90 day trial? I mean thats just not long
> enough.
> I think there was an option where you could have a license for 6 months, and
> then it expired unless you gave them some code they could 'own', then you
> could have another 6 months.. sheer lunnacy...
> 
> Paul
>

At 09:37 AM 7/6/2005, Paul Maddox wrote:
>Dave,
>
> > Has anyone on here done any development with the FPSlic?
>
>yeah, i had a go with it.
>
> > I'm a bit put off by the licensing requirements for the toolchain,
> > but this appears an attractive option for an upcoming project.
>
>I got annoyed with the licensing, 90 day trial? I mean thats just not long
>enough.
>I think there was an option where you could have a license for 6 months, and
>then it expired unless you gave them some code they could 'own', then you
>could have another 6 months.. sheer lunnacy...

Yes..   I like the AVR, but I don't like it THAT much..
Given my experiences with their toolchains over the last couple 
years, I'm very leery of stepping into something like this.

Zack,

As you say others do better,
The Xilinx Webpack is free, and will let you use upto 400KGate devices.
Both of these examples really beg the question, why bother with the FPSLIC?
go for altera or Xilinx and embed your own sparc (leon) processor.

Paul


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From: "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] FPSlic


> As an aside (this doesn't refer to AVR's), Altera will evidently give you
> a 6-month license for their programs for CPLD's (MAX+PLUSII and Quartus).
> After the 6 months is up, you can just renew it free.
>
> The license isn't even needed if you just want to program the CPLD's with
> an already assembled file (.pof).  It is needed if you want to write code
> for them.
>
> Zack
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Paul Maddox wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> > Has anyone on here done any development with the FPSlic?
>>
>> yeah, i had a go with it.
>>
>> > I'm a bit put off by the licensing requirements for the toolchain,
>> > but this appears an attractive option for an upcoming project.
>>
>> I got annoyed with the licensing, 90 day trial? I mean thats just not 
>> long
>> enough.
>> I think there was an option where you could have a license for 6 months, 
>> and
>> then it expired unless you gave them some code they could 'own', then you
>> could have another 6 months.. sheer lunnacy...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

At 10:48 AM 7/6/2005, Paul Maddox wrote:
>Zack,
>
>As you say others do better,
>The Xilinx Webpack is free, and will let you use upto 400KGate devices.
>Both of these examples really beg the question, why bother with the FPSLIC?
>go for altera or Xilinx and embed your own sparc (leon) processor.

For this particular project, a lot of AVR code already written, some 
parts I definitely want to move to hardware, others I haven't 
implemented yet because the AVR is too slow (!)
I could port to another processor though, the ASM code is a pretty 
well written spec. :)

>>As you say others do better,
>>The Xilinx Webpack is free, and will let you use upto 400KGate devices.
>>Both of these examples really beg the question, why bother with the 
>>FPSLIC?
>>go for altera or Xilinx and embed your own sparc (leon) processor.
>
> For this particular project, a lot of AVR code already written, some
> parts I definitely want to move to hardware, others I haven't
> implemented yet because the AVR is too slow (!)
> I could port to another processor though, the ASM code is a pretty
> well written spec. :)


Look at www.opencores.org
There is an AVR core that you could perhaps use.

/J

Hi all,

   I'm trying to get avr-gcc and avrdude to work with my AVRISP 
programmer using a USB/serial dongle.  I have three such dongles and NOT 
ONE OF THEM will create a device file that I can use with AVRDUDE.  I 
have a Keyspan dual unit, an Entrega single unit, and a ATEN dongle.  I 
don't know what the Keyspan uses for a solution, but the Entrega uses 
the FTDI chip, the ATEN uses the Prolific chip.  I've gotten the latest 
Prolific driver from their site, it doesn't make the file, Entrega was 
swallowed by Intel who seems intent on forgetting that device, so I've 
not found a driver for it and the Keyspan unit is too old to appear on 
the Keyspan site.  It appears that I need to find a new, supported 
solution.  Can anyone recommend a working solution to give me a reliable 
USB/serial translation on the Mac?

   I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too 
won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the 
USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is 
really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?

thanks,
DLC
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On 6 Jul 2005 at 11:39, Kevin wrote:

>    I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too 
> won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the 
> USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is 
> really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?
> 

	Have you tried these softwares:

	http://elm-chan.org/works/avrx/report_e.html

	I'm not using avrdude anymore.

	Mark Jordan

Hmm. I use the current version of avrdude and an old Keyspan dual serial
adapter with my STK500. Everything works fine under OSX 10.4.1 and VPC. I
have used this adapter with Zterm to talk to do DBUG12 work with motorola
boards as well.

Contact me off list and I might be able to help...

-mike

On 7/6/05 2:14 PM, "Mark Jordan" <mark@cpovo.net> wrote:

> On 6 Jul 2005 at 11:39, Kevin wrote:
> 
>>    I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too
>> won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the
>> USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is
>> really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?
>> 
> 
> Have you tried these softwares:
> 
> http://elm-chan.org/works/avrx/report_e.html
> 
> I'm not using avrdude anymore.
> 
> Mark Jordan

Mark,

   Totally useless to me since they are PC based and mostly use the 
parallel port to program the devices - The Macintosh never had a 
parallel port.  Regardless, the Macintosh also doesn't work well with 
Windows apps.

DLC

Mark Jordan wrote:
> On 6 Jul 2005 at 11:39, Kevin wrote:
> 
> 
>>   I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too 
>>won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the 
>>USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is 
>>really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?
>>
> 
> 
> 	Have you tried these softwares:
> 
> 	http://elm-chan.org/works/avrx/report_e.html
> 
> 	I'm not using avrdude anymore.
> 
> 	Mark Jordan
> 
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>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>  
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> 

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www.techtoystoday.com
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Dave,

> For this particular project, a lot of AVR code already written, some
> parts I definitely want to move to hardware, others I haven't
> implemented yet because the AVR is too slow (!)
> I could port to another processor though, the ASM code is a pretty
> well written spec. :)

I've seen an AVR core in VHDL somewhere on the net, I might even still have 
it somewhere.

Paul

Jesper,

> Look at www.opencores.org
> There is an AVR core that you could perhaps use.

thats the place, has anyone tried running this? and how the hell do you load 
code into it?

Paul

Kevin,

  I had this problem, even before Tiger, I just gave up, I run virtual PC 7 
which seems fine, though a touch slow.
I've actually thought about buying a cheap PC so I can work with my code on 
that. Its really frustrating.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Kevin" <dlc@frii.com>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: [AVR-Chat] Still, no USB/serial dongle works on Tiger


> Hi all,
>
>   I'm trying to get avr-gcc and avrdude to work with my AVRISP
> programmer using a USB/serial dongle.  I have three such dongles and NOT
> ONE OF THEM will create a device file that I can use with AVRDUDE.  I
> have a Keyspan dual unit, an Entrega single unit, and a ATEN dongle.  I
> don't know what the Keyspan uses for a solution, but the Entrega uses
> the FTDI chip, the ATEN uses the Prolific chip.  I've gotten the latest
> Prolific driver from their site, it doesn't make the file, Entrega was
> swallowed by Intel who seems intent on forgetting that device, so I've
> not found a driver for it and the Keyspan unit is too old to appear on
> the Keyspan site.  It appears that I need to find a new, supported
> solution.  Can anyone recommend a working solution to give me a reliable
> USB/serial translation on the Mac?
>
>   I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too
> won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the
> USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is
> really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?
>
> thanks,
> DLC
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------
> Dennis Clark          TTT Enterprises
> www.techtoystoday.com
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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>
>

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Paul Maddox" <P.Maddox@signal.qinetiq.com>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: AVR Core on FPGA ( was Re: [AVR-Chat] FPSlic)


> Jesper,
>
>> Look at www.opencores.org
>> There is an AVR core that you could perhaps use.
>
> thats the place, has anyone tried running this? and how the hell do you 
> load
> code into it?

The code is probably held in the FPGA's on-chip RAM which is loaded when the 
device is configured.

Leon
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Paul,

   That is what I do now - My Mac is WAY superior when I'm on the road, 
and I do all my electronic CAD there, multimedia, etc.  I have to use a 
Windoze box to work with my PIC and AVR tools - I'm trying to get it all 
with one box, and being widely frustrated with the total lack of value 
encompased in the Virtual PC program.  Sadly, I prolly can't get my 
money back on that worthless POS...  BUT if I can get AVRDUDE working on 
the OSX platform then I'm halfway there!


Grrrrrr,
DLC

Paul Maddox wrote:
> Kevin,
> 
>   I had this problem, even before Tiger, I just gave up, I run virtual PC 7 
> which seems fine, though a touch slow.
> I've actually thought about buying a cheap PC so I can work with my code on 
> that. Its really frustrating.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin" <dlc@frii.com>
> To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:39 PM
> Subject: [AVR-Chat] Still, no USB/serial dongle works on Tiger
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi all,
>>
>>  I'm trying to get avr-gcc and avrdude to work with my AVRISP
>>programmer using a USB/serial dongle.  I have three such dongles and NOT
>>ONE OF THEM will create a device file that I can use with AVRDUDE.  I
>>have a Keyspan dual unit, an Entrega single unit, and a ATEN dongle.  I
>>don't know what the Keyspan uses for a solution, but the Entrega uses
>>the FTDI chip, the ATEN uses the Prolific chip.  I've gotten the latest
>>Prolific driver from their site, it doesn't make the file, Entrega was
>>swallowed by Intel who seems intent on forgetting that device, so I've
>>not found a driver for it and the Keyspan unit is too old to appear on
>>the Keyspan site.  It appears that I need to find a new, supported
>>solution.  Can anyone recommend a working solution to give me a reliable
>>USB/serial translation on the Mac?
>>
>>  I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too
>>won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the
>>USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is
>>really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?
>>
>>thanks,
>>DLC
>>-- 
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>Dennis Clark          TTT Enterprises
>>www.techtoystoday.com
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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www.techtoystoday.com
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Mike,

   I followed the crumbs and got the latest Keyspan driver for the 28X 
dual serial port dongle.  It installed fine and now I have the cu.xxxxx 
files in /dev.  My next task is to build a cable that will convert from 
the round old mac serial to a DB9M connector.

   Thanks for the pointers!  Now, if I could JUST get the ATEN 
(Prolific) one to work then I'd not need to munge up a cable!

having fun now,
DLC

Mike Darling wrote:
> Hmm. I use the current version of avrdude and an old Keyspan dual serial
> adapter with my STK500. Everything works fine under OSX 10.4.1 and VPC. I
> have used this adapter with Zterm to talk to do DBUG12 work with motorola
> boards as well.
> 
> Contact me off list and I might be able to help...
> 
> -mike
> 
> 
> On 7/6/05 2:14 PM, "Mark Jordan" <mark@cpovo.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>On 6 Jul 2005 at 11:39, Kevin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>   I'd love to get a serial terminal to work (I have ZTERM), but it too
>>>won't see any of these USB/serial items.  The worst part is that the
>>>USB/serial dongle from ATEN (Prolific) is seen on Virtual PC, but is
>>>really flaky there.  Is there any decent solution?
>>>
>>
>>Have you tried these softwares:
>>
>>http://elm-chan.org/works/avrx/report_e.html
>>
>>I'm not using avrdude anymore.
>>
>>Mark Jordan
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:00:09AM -0600, Kevin wrote:

>    That is what I do now - My Mac is WAY superior when I'm on the road,
> and I do all my electronic CAD there, multimedia, etc.  I have to use a
> Windoze box to work with my PIC and AVR tools - I'm trying to get it all
> with one box and being widely frustrated with the total lack of value
> encompased in the Virtual PC program.  Sadly, I prolly can't get my
> money back on that worthless POS...  BUT if I can get AVRDUDE working on
> the OSX platform then I'm halfway there!

I use a handful of Keyspan USA-19HS adapters and they work great.  I
got mine for about $30 or so at CompUSA but I've seen them other
places as well.  I can guarantee that AVRDUDE works with these
natively on MacOS X both Panther & Tiger :-)

Note that these don't work very well on Virtual PC.  I tried to use
one there with AVR Studio and the Windows driver under Virtual PC kept
cycling the device.  I use a different device for that which is an
IOGEAR GUC232A.  This one works fine under Virtual PC on MacOS X and I
have used it to upgrade the flash my STK500 and my ECROS JTAG IceCube.

-Brian
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ATmega128 based MAVRIC controllers
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