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Hallo!
I'm new on this list. I'm from Italy.

I bought yesterday an an200... and I already have two problems..
I red some past topics but I still haven't found an answer...
I hope you will be so kind to help me.

1) The editor I have in the cd needs XGworks... that doesn't work
with XP... What can I do ? 
Is An1x edit the only software I can use with XP to edit my an200?
Shall I set some parameters to make it work with an200 ?

2) I used an an1x two years ago... I made some sounds I loved.
I still have the .mid with the dump.
I tried to load the dump in An1xEdit and it crashed!!! Any tips ?

Thanks for your answers!!!

Marco

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "marcogardengreen 
<marcoyyz@t...>" <marcoyyz@t...> wrote:
> 
> Hallo!
> I'm new on this list. I'm from Italy.
> 

Welcome to the list, Marco.

> I bought yesterday an an200... and I already have two 
problems..
> I red some past topics but I still haven't found an answer...
> I hope you will be so kind to help me.
> 
> 1) The editor I have in the cd needs XGworks... that doesn't 
work
> with XP... What can I do ? 
> Is An1x edit the only software I can use with XP to edit my 
an200?
> Shall I set some parameters to make it work with an200 ?
> 

You can download the XP patch for XGWorks from here: 
http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/main.htm#GeneralTools

> 2) I used an an1x two years ago... I made some sounds I 
loved.
> I still have the .mid with the dump.
> I tried to load the dump in An1xEdit and it crashed!!! Any tips ?
> 

The SysEx ID header for the AN1x is completey different from that 
of the AN200. The AN200 will NOT accept the .MID transfer 
regardless of what application you use to dump from PC -> 
AN200. As a workaround, I would suggest the following:

1. Upload a copy of your .MID file to the Files section - use the 
AN1x Voices directory, please 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files

2. Either myself, or someone else, can then download your file, 
upload it to an AN1x, then retrieve it from the AN1x w/ AN1xEdit 
and resave it as an .AN1, .ANP file or use the Export to .ANS 
function to convert your voices back into  a format in which 
XGWorks can handle.

I don't think the Mac version of AN1xEdit handles the .ANS format 
as well as the Win version but, either way, the objective is to at 
least convert your .MID into a format either you can manipulate 
further for use in the AN200.

Couple of further suggestions a) please .zip your .MID file before 
uploading if possible - otherwise, don't worry about it. b) Make 
certan you upload to the Files section - don't try to send your file 
as an attachment to the list it will be rejected by the list policies 
set at Yahoo! If you can do this in the next day I'll be happy to 
knock this out for you - otherwise it has to wait until next weekend 
;-)

> Thanks for your answers!!!
> 
> Marco

regards,

Jon

Hallo everybody!

First of all I would like to thank all the people who answered to my 
qyestions.
So kind and so fast!! :-)

Well, some reply from me.

Ciao!
Marco



>From:  "Jon <jondl_2000@y...>" <jondl_2000@y...> 
>Date:  Tue Feb 18, 2003  11:37 pm
>Subject:  Re: An200 questions
>You can download the XP patch for XGWorks from here: 
>http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/main.htm#GeneralTools
I downloaded it and tonight I will try it.

>The SysEx ID header for the AN1x is completey different from that 
>of the AN200. The AN200 will NOT accept the .MID transfer 
>regardless of what application you use to dump from PC -> 
>AN200. As a workaround, I would suggest the following:
Well... Don't ask me why but it worked. 
I had a .all backup of an1x voices. (Cubase song).
I played it back and all the voices were loaded on the An200!!!

ANyway thanks for your proposal to upload my sounds on the
directory and to let someone to convert it for me.


>From:  "RayMaxer" <digil@d...> 
>Date:  Tue Feb 18, 2003  6:44 pm
>Subject:  Re: [AN1x] An200 questions

>Free EG and Feedback of AN-1x are one of 'jewels' virus lacks.. 
feedback is
>just one parameter but it allows changing the whole sound of synth 
often on
>AN..

To clarify my question that will follow I would like to say that I'm 
a guitarist
and An200 is the first sinth I own.
The question is: what is the plus of having Free EG and Feedback 
features ?

>I'd advise using An1xEdit for all editing..
Well... I think that with An1xEdit you can't upload voices from
An200 to the editor itself. Is it right ? In this case I will have to 
use
the An200 editor that (I guess) should be able to...

>It should work fine and covers all the params of your AN200..
For example it doesn't cover effects...

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "marcogardengreen 
<marcoyyz@t...>" <marcoyyz@t...> wrote:
> 
> Hallo everybody!
> 
> First of all I would like to thank all the people who answered to 
my 
> qyestions.
> So kind and so fast!! :-)
> 
> Well, some reply from me.
> 
> Ciao!
> Marco
> 
> 
> 
> >From:  "Jon <jondl_2000@y...>" <jondl_2000@y...> 
> >Date:  Tue Feb 18, 2003  11:37 pm
> >Subject:  Re: An200 questions
> >You can download the XP patch for XGWorks from here: 
> >http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/main.htm#GeneralTools
> I downloaded it and tonight I will try it.
> 
> >The SysEx ID header for the AN1x is completey different from 
that 
> >of the AN200. The AN200 will NOT accept the .MID transfer 
> >regardless of what application you use to dump from PC -> 
> >AN200. As a workaround, I would suggest the following:
> Well... Don't ask me why but it worked. 
> I had a .all backup of an1x voices. (Cubase song).
> I played it back and all the voices were loaded on the An200!!!
> 
> ANyway thanks for your proposal to upload my sounds on the
> directory and to let someone to convert it for me.
> 

That's great for you! What's a .all file? I'm not familiar with that. 
I'm really surprised the Base Address ID for the AN1x worked for 
the AN200 - live and learn.

> 
> >From:  "RayMaxer" <digil@d...> 
> >Date:  Tue Feb 18, 2003  6:44 pm
> >Subject:  Re: [AN1x] An200 questions
> 
> >Free EG and Feedback of AN-1x are one of 'jewels' virus 
lacks.. 
> feedback is
> >just one parameter but it allows changing the whole sound of 
synth 
> often on
> >AN..
> 
> To clarify my question that will follow I would like to say that I'm 
> a guitarist
> and An200 is the first sinth I own.
> The question is: what is the plus of having Free EG and 
Feedback 
> features ?
> 

The FreeEG allows you to record, i.e., automate, paremter 
adjustments for playback in real time. For example, you could 
record adjustments to parameters such as Fliter Cutoff, VCO 
Edge, VCF Attack and VCA Release so that they were saved as 
part of the Voice and playback automatically upon a note on 
event. Very cool. 

The Feedback parameter take the signal output from the 
Mixer->Filter->VCA and 'feeds' it back into the signal chain from 
the Mixer - therefore creating a 'fatter' sound - good for leads and 
basses.


> >I'd advise using An1xEdit for all editing..
> Well... I think that with An1xEdit you can't upload voices from
> An200 to the editor itself. Is it right ? In this case I will have to 
> use
> the An200 editor that (I guess) should be able to...
> 

Actually, I think you might be able to if AN1xEdit is in PLG150AN 
Mode - found under the Setup menu.

> >It should work fine and covers all the params of your AN200..
> For example it doesn't cover effects...

The PLG150AN and AN200 do not have the same effects 
selection as the AN1x - specifically, the VariEF/EQ will default to 
Amp Sim.

regards,

Jon

Hallo Jon,
hallo everybody.

>> >The SysEx ID header for the AN1x is completey different from that 
>> >of the AN200. The AN200 will NOT accept the .MID transfer 
>> >regardless of what application you use to dump from PC -> 
>> >AN200. As a workaround, I would suggest the following:
>> Well... Don't ask me why but it worked. 
>> I had a .all backup of an1x voices. (Cubase song).
>> I played it back and all the voices were loaded on the An200!!!
>> 
>> ANyway thanks for your proposal to upload my sounds on the
>> directory and to let someone to convert it for me.
>> 
>That's great for you! What's a .all file? I'm not familiar with 
that. 

.all is the file formata for Cubase VST songs.
What I did should not be so different from importing the .mid voice 
backup to any sequencer and let it play...

>I'm really surprised the Base Address ID for the AN1x worked for 
>the AN200 - live and learn.
:-)


>The FreeEG allows you to record, i.e., automate, paremter 
>adjustments for playback in real time. For example, you could 
>record adjustments to parameters such as Fliter Cutoff, VCO 
>Edge, VCF Attack and VCA Release so that they were saved as 
>part of the Voice and playback automatically upon a note on 
>event. Very cool. 
>The Feedback parameter take the signal output from the 
>Mixer->Filter->VCA and 'feeds' it back into the signal chain from 
>the Mixer - therefore creating a 'fatter' sound - good for leads and 
>basses.

Interesting. I will try step by step seing how it works on 
the sounds...


>> >I'd advise using An1xEdit for all editing..
>> Well... I think that with An1xEdit you can't upload voices from
>> An200 to the editor itself. Is it right ? In this case I will have 
to 
>> use
>> the An200 editor that (I guess) should be able to...
>
>Actually, I think you might be able to if AN1xEdit is in PLG150AN 
>Mode - found under the Setup menu.

I set the PLG150 mode the "request" button is disabled!!!



Ciao
Marco

so is there no way to convert the .mid files to say an1x files? The an200 editor can read an1x files but no mid files. I would be forever grateful if someone would take the time to do it for me! ;-)


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "marcogardengreen <marcoyyz@t...>" <marcoyyz@t...> wrote:

> 
> Hallo Jon,
> hallo everybody.
> 
> >> >The SysEx ID header for the AN1x is completey different from that 
> >> >of the AN200. The AN200 will NOT accept the .MID transfer 
> >> >regardless of what application you use to dump from PC -> 
> >> >AN200. As a workaround, I would suggest the following:
> >> Well... Don't ask me why but it worked. 
> >> I had a .all backup of an1x voices. (Cubase song).
> >> I played it back and all the voices were loaded on the An200!!!
> >> 
> >> ANyway thanks for your proposal to upload my sounds on the
> >> directory and to let someone to convert it for me.
> >> 
> >That's great for you! What's a .all file? I'm not familiar with 
> that. 
> 
> .all is the file formata for Cubase VST songs.
> What I did should not be so different from importing the .mid voice 
> backup to any sequencer and let it play...
> 
> >I'm really surprised the Base Address ID for the AN1x worked for 
> >the AN200 - live and learn.
> :-)
> 
> 
> >The FreeEG allows you to record, i.e., automate, paremter 
> >adjustments for playback in real time. For example, you could 
> >record adjustments to parameters such as Fliter Cutoff, VCO 
> >Edge, VCF Attack and VCA Release so that they were saved as 
> >part of the Voice and playback automatically upon a note on 
> >event. Very cool. 
> >The Feedback parameter take the signal output from the 
> >Mixer->Filter->VCA and 'feeds' it back into the signal chain from 
> >the Mixer - therefore creating a 'fatter' sound - good for leads and 
> >basses.
> 
> Interesting. I will try step by step seing how it works on 
> the sounds...
> 
> 
> >> >I'd advise using An1xEdit for all editing..
> >> Well... I think that with An1xEdit you can't upload voices from
> >> An200 to the editor itself. Is it right ? In this case I will have 
> to 
> >> use
> >> the An200 editor that (I guess) should be able to...
> >
> >Actually, I think you might be able to if AN1xEdit is in PLG150AN 
> >Mode - found under the Setup menu.
> 
> I set the PLG150 mode the "request" button is disabled!!!
> 
> 
> 
> Ciao
> Marco

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Linuxmanvan 
<linuxmanvan@y...>" <linuxmanvan@y...> wrote:
> so is there no way to convert the .mid files to say an1x files? 
The an200 editor can read an1x files but no mid files. I would be 
forever grateful if someone would take the time to do it for me! ;-)
> 
> 

Have you tried to load your .MID file into your AN200? Marco 
implies his Cubase .ALL file which contained an AN1x SysEx 
dump loaded into his AN200. If you like, I'll be happy to load your 
.MID into the AN1x and convert it into an .AN1 and/or .ANP file

Jon

i cant get it to work like that, however , if i could get the sysex program to talk directly to the an200 editor program i could translate them like that. The problem is I used to do this on pc, i am on a mac now, and i have no idea how to make to midi apps talk together.
I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is the closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus and without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add chorus and change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close. I am told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as i like the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus down the road.



--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon <jondl_2000@y...>" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:

> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Linuxmanvan 
> <linuxmanvan@y...>" <linuxmanvan@y...> wrote:
> > so is there no way to convert the .mid files to say an1x files? 
> The an200 editor can read an1x files but no mid files. I would be 
> forever grateful if someone would take the time to do it for me! ;-)
> > 
> > 
> 
> Have you tried to load your .MID file into your AN200? Marco 
> implies his Cubase .ALL file which contained an AN1x SysEx 
> dump loaded into his AN200. If you like, I'll be happy to load your 
> .MID into the AN1x and convert it into an .AN1 and/or .ANP file
> 
> Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Linuxmanvan 
<linuxmanvan@y...>" <linuxmanvan@y...> wrote:
> i cant get it to work like that, however , if i could get the sysex 
program to talk directly to the an200 editor program i could 
translate them like that. The problem is I used to do this on pc, i 
am on a mac now, and i have no idea how to make to midi apps 
talk together.

I tried to set up a bulk dump from SysEx452 using an IAC bus 
from OMS and routed it to the input of ANExpert Editor - no joy. I 
might try again later after I shutdown and restart. I've never used 
IAC this way before - not certain if I should expect it to work.I've 
only used it for simple MIDI Events like Note Events and CC's.

I tried a straight dump from SysEx to my AN1x - also, no joy. I was 
expecting you would upload a .MID file not a .SYX file. I'm 
assuming using a .MID file from a MIDI Seq treats the base 
address ID of the AN200 vs. AN1x differently where as using 
SysEx the AN1x ignores the AN200 base address ID :-( Can you 
make a seperate .MID dump from your AN200. Also, it would be 
helpful to know if the dump contains vices, patterns, or both.

 
> I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is the 
closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus and 
without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add chorus and 
change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close. I am 
told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as i like 
the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus down 
the road.
> 

FYI, there is a terrific bank of JP8000 emulations provided by 
Yamaha in the FIles section. Download the archive from Yamaha 
and you'll find it. Perhaps the patch you're after is in that voice 
bank?

Jon

actually i think it ended up being patch 8 for the pizz, not nine.

FYI, there is a terrific bank of JP8000 emulations provided by 
> Yamaha in the FIles section. Download the archive from Yamaha 
> and you'll find it. Perhaps the patch you're after is in that voice 
> bank?

i think ive tried ever bank of patches there is, let me look again.


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon <jondl_2000@y...>"
<jondl_2000@y...> wrote:

> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Linuxmanvan 
> <linuxmanvan@y...>" <linuxmanvan@y...> wrote:
> > i cant get it to work like that, however , if i could get the sysex 
> program to talk directly to the an200 editor program i could 
> translate them like that. The problem is I used to do this on pc, i 
> am on a mac now, and i have no idea how to make to midi apps 
> talk together.
> 
> I tried to set up a bulk dump from SysEx452 using an IAC bus 
> from OMS and routed it to the input of ANExpert Editor - no joy. I 
> might try again later after I shutdown and restart. I've never used 
> IAC this way before - not certain if I should expect it to work.I've 
> only used it for simple MIDI Events like Note Events and CC's.
> 
> I tried a straight dump from SysEx to my AN1x - also, no joy. I was 
> expecting you would upload a .MID file not a .SYX file. I'm 
> assuming using a .MID file from a MIDI Seq treats the base 
> address ID of the AN200 vs. AN1x differently where as using 
> SysEx the AN1x ignores the AN200 base address ID :-( Can you 
> make a seperate .MID dump from your AN200. Also, it would be 
> helpful to know if the dump contains vices, patterns, or both.
> 
>  
> > I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is the 
> closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus and 
> without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add chorus and 
> change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close. I am 
> told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as i like 
> the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus down 
> the road.
> > 
> 
> FYI, there is a terrific bank of JP8000 emulations provided by 
> Yamaha in the FIles section. Download the archive from Yamaha 
> and you'll find it. Perhaps the patch you're after is in that voice 
> bank?
> 
> Jon

actually i think it ended up being patch 8 for the pizz, not nine.

FYI, there is a terrific bank of JP8000 emulations provided by 
> Yamaha in the FIles section. Download the archive from Yamaha 
> and you'll find it. Perhaps the patch you're after is in that voice 
> bank?

i think ive tried ever bank of patches there is, let me look again.
what is the file name of that patches? I dont see anything that
specifies jp8000 stuff


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon <jondl_2000@y...>"
<jondl_2000@y...> wrote:

> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Linuxmanvan 
> <linuxmanvan@y...>" <linuxmanvan@y...> wrote:
> > i cant get it to work like that, however , if i could get the sysex 
> program to talk directly to the an200 editor program i could 
> translate them like that. The problem is I used to do this on pc, i 
> am on a mac now, and i have no idea how to make to midi apps 
> talk together.
> 
> I tried to set up a bulk dump from SysEx452 using an IAC bus 
> from OMS and routed it to the input of ANExpert Editor - no joy. I 
> might try again later after I shutdown and restart. I've never used 
> IAC this way before - not certain if I should expect it to work.I've 
> only used it for simple MIDI Events like Note Events and CC's.
> 
> I tried a straight dump from SysEx to my AN1x - also, no joy. I was 
> expecting you would upload a .MID file not a .SYX file. I'm 
> assuming using a .MID file from a MIDI Seq treats the base 
> address ID of the AN200 vs. AN1x differently where as using 
> SysEx the AN1x ignores the AN200 base address ID :-( Can you 
> make a seperate .MID dump from your AN200. Also, it would be 
> helpful to know if the dump contains vices, patterns, or both.
> 
>  
> > I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is the 
> closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus and 
> without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add chorus and 
> change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close. I am 
> told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as i like 
> the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus down 
> the road.
> > 
> 
> FYI, there is a terrific bank of JP8000 emulations provided by 
> Yamaha in the FIles section. Download the archive from Yamaha 
> and you'll find it. Perhaps the patch you're after is in that voice 
> bank?
> 
> Jon

I've heard in several places that the Insomnia pizzicato patch (and 
Sash's pizz sound - dunno what song - Encore un fois maybe?) is 
actually from a Roland JV1080 type synth (or XP60) - so it's probably 
a real strings based Roland treated rompler sound! So good luck 
copying it on a VA. 

>I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is the 
>closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus and 
>without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add chorus and 
>change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close. I am 
>told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as i like 
>the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus down the 
>road.

According to some Magazine articles, the Patch that Rolo uses in
insomnia is from a Roland JD800 actually, and they effect up the
patch with reverb and the such...

Jt

 --- blazrodic <blazzr@...> wrote: > I've heard in several
places that the Insomnia pizzicato patch
> (and 
> Sash's pizz sound - dunno what song - Encore un fois maybe?)
> is 
> actually from a Roland JV1080 type synth (or XP60) - so it's
> probably 
> a real strings based Roland treated rompler sound! So good
> luck 
> copying it on a VA. 
> 
> 
> >I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is
> the 
> >closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus
> and 
> >without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add
> chorus and 
> >change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close.
> I am 
> >told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as
> i like 
> >the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus
> down the 
> >road.
> 
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I actually remember the intervie at "Party Zone" on MTV 
Rollo did use JD800 for Pizz sound,with FX ofcause and hard compresion to give the sound an inpact 

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Temprile 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: An200 questions (Insomnia pizz patch)


  According to some Magazine articles, the Patch that Rolo uses in
  insomnia is from a Roland JD800 actually, and they effect up the
  patch with reverb and the such...

  Jt

  --- blazrodic <blazzr@...> wrote: > I've heard in several
  places that the Insomnia pizzicato patch
  > (and 
  > Sash's pizz sound - dunno what song - Encore un fois maybe?)
  > is 
  > actually from a Roland JV1080 type synth (or XP60) - so it's
  > probably 
  > a real strings based Roland treated rompler sound! So good
  > luck 
  > copying it on a VA. 
  > 
  > 
  > >I am posting the dump of my an200 , check out patch 9, it is
  > the 
  > >closest i can get to the pizz in insomnia without a chorus
  > and 
  > >without tweaking the vco's pitch. I think if i could add
  > chorus and 
  > >change the pitch on the vco's it would work out pretty close.
  > I am 
  > >told that patch he is playing is an jp-8000 , and as much as
  > i like 
  > >the 8080 i dont want to buy one when i want to get a virus
  > down the 
  > >road.
  > 
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