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I would just like to mention there are no device specific stand alone editors for AN200 & DX200.There are only plugin editors available for XGworks.Which can produce problems if one is using i.e cubase. The standaone editors are specific for the AN/DX150plg cards.But if some knows were to obtain such  device specific stand alone editor for the 200 series models,then please tell me.
Regards 
DMANX.
> Okay, a couple of questions I need clarification on:
>
>1) XG Works is not freeware from Yamaha but must be 
>purchased eiher A) direct from Yamaha or B) bundled with a 
>Yamaha soundcard or other MIDI/Audio hardware?
>
>2) XG Edit is an earlier, less feature intesive version of XG Works 
>for the old MU* sound modules, etc.? 
>
>2) There are DX200 and AN200 specific plugins for XG Works 
>that enable editing access to the device specific features. These 
>do not work with XG Edit, only XG Works?
>
>3) There are device specific, stand alone editors for the DX200 & 
>AN200, i.e., the recently mentioned .an2 format, and if so -are 
>these some kind of 'XG Works lite' derivitive?
>
>I know AN1xEdit wil work with both the PLG150AN and AN200 in 
>PLG150AN Edit but, obviously, there is no accomodating the 
>AN200 specific XG sounds or sequencers. So, for cross platform 
>purposes we should probably ask AN200 users who wish to 
>share their Voices to use .anp files created in AN1xEdit which we 
>call ALL use.
>
>I've seen many reoccuring requests for the contents of the 
>DX200/AN200 CDROMs on this list and would like to pin down 
>what we can/can not legally share amonst list members before I 
>make any further to acquire these materials for the Files section 
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>
>regards,
>
>Jon
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There are standalone editors for AN200 and DX200 from Yamaha for Mac (OS 9).
That's all we have on the Mac platform. No XG Works to speak of - it was
only released in Japan I believe.

The PLG Boards have standalone device-specific editors as well, and are very
similar to the AN200/DX200 editors.

Remember, this isn't a Windows world. A couple of us use Macs. :)

Mark

on 1/14/03 5:26 AM, DMANX@... at DMANX@... wrote:

> I would just like to mention there are no device specific stand alone editors
> for AN200 & DX200.There are only plugin editors available for XGworks.Which
> can produce problems if one is using i.e cubase. The standaone editors are
> specific for the AN/DX150plg cards.But if some knows were to obtain such
> device specific stand alone editor for the 200 series models,then please tell
> me.
> Regards 
> DMANX.


>> 
>> 3) There are device specific, stand alone editors for the DX200 &
>> AN200, i.e., the recently mentioned .an2 format, and if so -are
>> these some kind of 'XG Works lite' derivitive?
>>

Hi Jon
>>
1) XG Works is not freeware from Yamaha but must be 
purchased eiher A) direct from Yamaha or B) bundled with a 
Yamaha soundcard or other MIDI/Audio hardware?
<<

Correct

>>
2) XG Edit is an earlier, less feature intesive version of XG Works 
for the old MU* sound modules, etc.?
<<

Nope. XGedit is a standalone editor for XG devices (written and owned by
yours truly). XGworks is a Yamaha sequencer pacakage specialising in XG
support and providing plug-in editors.

>>
3) There are device specific, stand alone editors for the DX200 & 
AN200, i.e., the recently mentioned .an2 format, and if so -are 
these some kind of 'XG Works lite' derivitive?
<<

These are available as plugins to XGworks or as standalone (operating
from a plugin hosting shell based on XGworks hosting code.) Standalone
versions are also available for Macintosh (I Think...but no XGwroks)

>>
I know AN1xEdit wil work with both the PLG150AN and AN200 in 
PLG150AN Edit but, obviously, there is no accomodating the 
AN200 specific XG sounds or sequencers. So, for cross platform 
purposes we should probably ask AN200 users who wish to 
share their Voices to use .anp files created in AN1xEdit which we 
call ALL use.
<<

Correct.

>>
I've seen many reoccuring requests for the contents of the 
DX200/AN200 CDROMs on this list and would like to pin down 
what we can/can not legally share amonst list members before I 
make any further to acquire these materials for the Files section 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files here at Yahoo! 
Groups.
<<

Officially you should not redistribute any Yamaha software that is
bundled with hardware or made available directly from their web sites.
Similarly you should not redistribute Yamaha documents and FAQs made
available from Yamaha web sites. Instead you should link directly to the
relevant Yamaha site. This way the end user will always get the latest
version when posted.

Also if it's not available for free download from a Yamaha web site,
then its not free! So you definitely should not be redistributing.

An1xEdit is an exception. It was written by me under contract from
Yamaha and was distributed as freeware (from my web site and other
interested sites). However Yamaha retain all rights to the editor.

I hope that helps

Regards
 
Gary Gregson
email: gary@...

-----Original Message-----

From: Jon <jondl_2000@...> [mailto:jondl_2000@...] 
Sent: 14 January 2003 03:35
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x] XG Works v. AN1xEdit v. stand alone editors

--- Gary Gregson <gary@...> wrote:
> 
> XGedit is a standalone editor for XG devices
> (written and owned by yours truly). 

Hi,

 XG edit and AN1x edit are great editors! i have both
(XG edit registered version) and AN1x edit (freeware).

i use these programs daily and love them.

i wish these programs could come up as OPT panels in
cubase. Gary, is there any chance of this happening
soon? have you got any news for us?


thanks, elektro dan. 




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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pipher <mpipher@m...> 
wrote:
> There are standalone editors for AN200 and DX200 from 
Yamaha for Mac (OS 9).
> That's all we have on the Mac platform. No XG Works to speak 
of - it was
> only released in Japan I believe.
> 
> The PLG Boards have standalone device-specific editors as 
well, and are very
> similar to the AN200/DX200 editors.
> 
> Remember, this isn't a Windows world. A couple of us use 
Macs. :)
> 
> Mark
> 

Today I downloaded a copy of AnExpertEditor (Mac) and spent 
some time with it. For the most part, it worked just fine with my 
AN1x - I assume the same would be true for the AN200?

Obviously the Variation FX section is limited to only the Amp Sim 
effect - and the occasional PLG voice that made use of the PEG 
Attack parameter would not translate correctly to the AN1x. 
Furthermore, any PLG voice that referenced the Multisaw 
translated to the valu of 'Mix' for the AN1x Osc1/2 Wave 
parameter.

The AN Bulk Dump Receive command worked fine - but you do 
have to initiate the Bulk Dump manually from the AN1x front 
panel. The AN Bulk Dump Transmit command would NOT work 
for me :-( Loading PLG voices to the AN1x was a one by one 
affair.

The major problem I experienced was in regards to Opening and 
Exporting .ANS files between AN1xEdit and AnExpertEditor. 
Specifically:

I made a little bank of sounds in AN1xEdit and saved three 
copies - one each as .AN1, .ANP, and .ANS. AnExpertEditor 
would not open the .ANS version - the program issues error 
message "Error occured. Forces the application to quit." and 
that's exactly what happens next. AnExpertEditor is not capable of 
'seeing' the .ANP format so I then opened the .AN1 voice bank 
without incident. 

I saved a small bank of sounds in AnExpertEditor as .ANS but 
AN1xEdit woul not open this bank - the program simply issues 
error message "Wrong File Version." 

I used the freeware app TechTool Lite to examine the file types 
and found the following:

.ANS files created in AnExpertEditor have a Creator and Type of 
'YANX' and 'ANS_' where as .ANS files created in AN1xEditor 
have a Creator and Type of 'AN1x' and 'ANS'. I experimented with 
altering the Creator and Type of my .ANS file but with no success 
(I'm sure there are more variables to attempt then I've tried so 
far...)

So I guess the moral of the story is you might be able to use 
AnExpertEditor with an AN200 but sharing files with this app is 
likely to be unproductive - stick to AN1xEdit. Wonder if Yamaha is 
considering an OS X compatible version of AnExpertEditor?

regards,

Jon

Gary, Thanks for the reply...

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...> 
wrote:
> 3) There are device specific, stand alone editors for the DX200 
& 
> AN200, i.e., the recently mentioned .an2 format, and if so -are 
> these some kind of 'XG Works lite' derivitive?
> <<
> 
> These are available as plugins to XGworks or as standalone 
(operating
> from a plugin hosting shell based on XGworks hosting code.) 
Standalone
> versions are also available for Macintosh (I Think...but no 
XGwroks)
> 

Okay, got it.

There are both stand alone and plugin (XGWorks) editors for the 
PLG cards for Windows. And there are plugin (XGWorks) editors 
for the xx200 series on Windows but no stand alone versions.

For Macintosh there are standalone editors for both the PLG and 
xx200 series but no XGWorks.

And AN1xEdit works with AN1x, PLG and xxSeries cross platform. 
I think we have a winner here ;-) ha ha ha


> >>
> I know AN1xEdit wil work with both the PLG150AN and AN200 
in 
> PLG150AN Edit but, obviously, there is no accomodating the 
> AN200 specific XG sounds or sequencers. So, for cross 
platform 
> purposes we should probably ask AN200 users who wish to 
> share their Voices to use .anp files created in AN1xEdit which 
we 
> call ALL use.
> <<
> 
> Correct.
> 

Good.

Did you catch my comments in the other post regarding .ANS file 
compatibilty between AnExpertEditor <-> AN1xEditor? Any idea's 
- user error or...


> >>
> I've seen many reoccuring requests for the contents of the 
> DX200/AN200 CDROMs on this list and would like to pin down 
> what we can/can not legally share amonst list members before 
I 
> make any further to acquire these materials for the Files 
section 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files here at Yahoo! 
> Groups.
> <<
> 
> Officially you should not redistribute any Yamaha software that 
is
> bundled with hardware or made available directly from their 
web sites.
> Similarly you should not redistribute Yamaha documents and 
FAQs made
> available from Yamaha web sites. Instead you should link 
directly to the
> relevant Yamaha site. This way the end user will always get the 
latest
> version when posted.
> 

Well, I'd say were about 90% compliant then - aside from the 
PDFs in the documentation directory here at Yahoo! Groups and 
maybe their old Mac Visual Editor. I suppose I should clean that 
up sometime...

> Also if it's not available for free download from a Yamaha web 
site,
> then its not free! So you definitely should not be redistributing.
> 

Hhhm, some of the other lists may need to take notice of this...


> An1xEdit is an exception. It was written by me under contract 
from
> Yamaha and was distributed as freeware (from my web site 
and other
> interested sites). However Yamaha retain all rights to the 
editor.
> 
> I hope that helps
> 

It does help. Thank you. I'm undr the impression xx200 series 
owners can acquire the bundled CDROMs from Yamaha - 
probably for the cost of S+H. I'll try and confirm this info.


regards,

Jon