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Hello, I'm brand new to this list- woo-hoo! (or maybe some will hate me- but 
I don't give a fig!)

This is mainly a question for Jondl as his/her name kept popping up 
everywhere- whenever I put AN1x into the search engine- I suppose a good 
place to start!

I've had my AN for about 5 years now and absolutely love it- but I have 
problems when trying to sequence using Logic Platinum on my Mac G3.

a) When using the AN in bi-timbral mode it often locks up and all the 
parameters in say Chn 1 start affecting Chn 2 as well- This is a bastard- has 
anyone else had this problem? (I always end up having to leave it in single 
mode)

b) Hanging notes when using Logic, but not when playing from an Akai MPC 
(eh???)

c) since I lost the Data book long ago, I read somewhere about different 
modes that the AN1x operated in- could a difference between Mode one and two 
be the answer?

There's a few other questions (like not being able to get the Mac editor to 
upload) but I'll start with these first.

Also does the AN200 sound EXACTLY the same?

Looking forward to hearing from you

Tom

Tom,

>c) since I lost the Data book long ago, I read somewhere about different 
>modes that the AN1x operated in- could a difference between Mode one and two 
>be the answer?

I have the Owner's Manual and Data Guide in PDF format on my ModSynth Page website --

   http://music.ashbysolutions.com/modsynth

Regards,

-BW

--
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978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

--- In AN1x-list@y..., terryfunken@a... wrote:
> I've had my AN for about 5 years now and absolutely love it- but 
I have 
> problems when trying to sequence using Logic Platinum on 
my Mac G3.
> 

Which Mac OS version are you running and which version of 
LAPM?

> a) When using the AN in bi-timbral mode it often locks up and 
all the 
> parameters in say Chn 1 start affecting Chn 2 as well- This is a 
bastard- has 
> anyone else had this problem? (I always end up having to 
leave it in single 
> mode)
> 

From your description I'll hazard a guess you are experiencing a 
MIDI Loop in your set-up. How is the AN1x Object defined in your 
Autoload environment? When using the AN1x as a bitimbral 
sound source (Layer = Dual) each Scene must be set to an 
individual MIDI Receive Channel (Rx Ch under UTILITY/SETUP.) 
Do the channel settings for your AN1x object in the environment 
match the Rx Ch settings in the AN1x Voice you are using?


> b) Hanging notes when using Logic, but not when playing from 
an Akai MPC 
> (eh???)
> 

I've read your follow up emails on this thread and know you are 
using a MIDIMAN USB 2x2 MIDI Interface. Which version of OMS 
are you using? v2.3.7 or v2.3.8? Are you using the current 
MIDIMAN drivers for the 2x2? I know MIDIMAN was at one point 
pushing OMS  v2.3.7 in favor of 2.3.8 but I also know that Opcode 
released a 'fix' specifically for their brand name USB MIDI 
Interfaces when using v2.3.7. I've always stuck to v2.3.8 and 
didn't think much of the MIDIMAN 2x2. I've had _marginally_ more 
success w/ an Opcode brand MIDIport 32 but *neither* worked 
with AN1xEdit OR other Mac freeware apps that rely on SysEx 
communication. MIDI Note and CC's were never a problem in 
Logic, or Vision DSP, but every now and again Logic would not 
'see' the Opcode USB MIDI Interface and I'd have to unplug/plug 
the MIDIport 32 :-( Didn't have THAT problem with the MIDIMAN 
though. Unfortunately, if you're going to use a non-Emagic USB 
MIDI Interface with Logic you have to use OMS.

I've switched tback o an Opcode Studio 128x MIDI Inteface 
(non-USB) for my current set-up. I'm no longer using OMS w/ 
Logic. I use the 128x in MTP emulation mode and rely on the 
internal drivers within Logic. I use OMS *only* for IAC 
communication from/to Logic - and very seldom at that.

Eventually I'll switch to an all Emagic set-up as same brand 
compatibilty seems to be where it's at on the Mac right now - 
sigh :-( RANT: It seems that we took a big step backwards when 
Gibson dismantled Opcode and support for OMS (and us users!) 
were abandoned. Hopefully this siuation will improve when OS X 
MIDI apps become wide spread. Word has it that Core Audio 
services under OS X will offer native mLAN support - yea!!! END 
OF RANT

I know that Emagi'c SoundDiver offers an Ed/Lib module for the 
AN1x but the demo doesn't permit much in the way of MIDI 
communication so I found testing it ito be frustrating (aside from 
trying out the user interface.) There is at least one user on this 
list who has had success with the AMT8, AN1xEdit, and an iMac 
via USB.


> c) since I lost the Data book long ago, I read somewhere about 
different 
> modes that the AN1x operated in- could a difference between 
Mode one and two 
> be the answer?
> 

Doubtful. Mode 1 and Mode 2 differ only that Mode 2 uses 
'standard' MIDI CC assignments for a handful of useful AN1x 
parameters where as in Mode 2 Yamaha provided a MIDI CC 
assignment for most every AN1x parameter - meaning it can be 
(almost) fully automated. MIDI Tx and Rx ch for Scenes is not 
affected by the Mode selection. BTW - the PDF manuals can be 
had for free from Yamaha or the Files sction here at Yahoo! 
Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files

> There's a few other questions (like not being able to get the 
Mac editor to 
> upload) but I'll start with these first.
> 
> Also does the AN200 sound EXACTLY the same?
> 

The AN200 offers the same sound engine as found in the 
PLG150AN - which is derived from the AN1x - so the answer to 
your question is yes and no. It's sounds the same but offers an 
additional OSC waveform AND has only a single scene as 
opposed to two. 

> Looking forward to hearing from you
> 
> Tom

regards,

Jon

Hi Tom,

Yes, as pleasant as the team from Midiman are, they appear to have probs
with the Mac support of their USB MIDI interfaces. This is often reflected
in user stories on the Digidesign forum (DUC).

I'm using AN1x Edit on G4 Mac OS 9.1 / OMS 2.3.8 / with a Emagic AMT8
without a hitch. Admittedly, I have MIDI communication failure when
switching from my sequencer (Pro Tools) back to AN1x Edit, but this is
reinstated simply by relaunching AN1x Edit.

I too recommend leaning towards a single-manufacturer solution
(sequencer+interface) and am preparing for the inevitable leap to Logic this
year to make the most out of my  AMT8. With the increase of the recent
computer CPU MHz being spent on audio processing, MIDI buffering technology
(eg. Emagic AMT8, Steinberg Midex8) is the only truly reliable solution for
MIDI timing accuracy.

Phil

From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>
Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 02:52:59 -0000
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x] Re: Hello and help!


--- In AN1x-list@y..., terryfunken@a... wrote:
> I've had my AN for about 5 years now and absolutely love it- but
I have 
> problems when trying to sequence using Logic Platinum on
my Mac G3.
> 

Which Mac OS version are you running and which version of
LAPM?

> a) When using the AN in bi-timbral mode it often locks up and
all the 
> parameters in say Chn 1 start affecting Chn 2 as well- This is a
bastard- has 
> anyone else had this problem? (I always end up having to
leave it in single 
> mode)
> 

From your description I'll hazard a guess you are experiencing a
MIDI Loop in your set-up. How is the AN1x Object defined in your
Autoload environment? When using the AN1x as a bitimbral
sound source (Layer = Dual) each Scene must be set to an
individual MIDI Receive Channel (Rx Ch under UTILITY/SETUP.)
Do the channel settings for your AN1x object in the environment
match the Rx Ch settings in the AN1x Voice you are using?


> b) Hanging notes when using Logic, but not when playing from
an Akai MPC 
> (eh???)
> 

I've read your follow up emails on this thread and know you are
using a MIDIMAN USB 2x2 MIDI Interface. Which version of OMS
are you using? v2.3.7 or v2.3.8? Are you using the current
MIDIMAN drivers for the 2x2? I know MIDIMAN was at one point
pushing OMS  v2.3.7 in favor of 2.3.8 but I also know that Opcode
released a 'fix' specifically for their brand name USB MIDI
Interfaces when using v2.3.7. I've always stuck to v2.3.8 and
didn't think much of the MIDIMAN 2x2. I've had _marginally_ more
success w/ an Opcode brand MIDIport 32 but *neither* worked
with AN1xEdit OR other Mac freeware apps that rely on SysEx
communication. MIDI Note and CC's were never a problem in
Logic, or Vision DSP, but every now and again Logic would not
'see' the Opcode USB MIDI Interface and I'd have to unplug/plug
the MIDIport 32 :-( Didn't have THAT problem with the MIDIMAN
though. Unfortunately, if you're going to use a non-Emagic USB
MIDI Interface with Logic you have to use OMS.

I've switched tback o an Opcode Studio 128x MIDI Inteface
(non-USB) for my current set-up. I'm no longer using OMS w/
Logic. I use the 128x in MTP emulation mode and rely on the
internal drivers within Logic. I use OMS *only* for IAC
communication from/to Logic - and very seldom at that.

Eventually I'll switch to an all Emagic set-up as same brand
compatibilty seems to be where it's at on the Mac right now -
sigh :-( RANT: It seems that we took a big step backwards when
Gibson dismantled Opcode and support for OMS (and us users!)
were abandoned. Hopefully this siuation will improve when OS X
MIDI apps become wide spread. Word has it that Core Audio
services under OS X will offer native mLAN support - yea!!! END
OF RANT

I know that Emagi'c SoundDiver offers an Ed/Lib module for the
AN1x but the demo doesn't permit much in the way of MIDI
communication so I found testing it ito be frustrating (aside from
trying out the user interface.) There is at least one user on this
list who has had success with the AMT8, AN1xEdit, and an iMac
via USB.


> c) since I lost the Data book long ago, I read somewhere about
different 
> modes that the AN1x operated in- could a difference between
Mode one and two 
> be the answer?
> 

Doubtful. Mode 1 and Mode 2 differ only that Mode 2 uses
'standard' MIDI CC assignments for a handful of useful AN1x
parameters where as in Mode 2 Yamaha provided a MIDI CC
assignment for most every AN1x parameter - meaning it can be
(almost) fully automated. MIDI Tx and Rx ch for Scenes is not
affected by the Mode selection. BTW - the PDF manuals can be
had for free from Yamaha or the Files sction here at Yahoo!
Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files

> There's a few other questions (like not being able to get the
Mac editor to 
> upload) but I'll start with these first.
> 
> Also does the AN200 sound EXACTLY the same?
> 

The AN200 offers the same sound engine as found in the
PLG150AN - which is derived from the AN1x - so the answer to
your question is yes and no. It's sounds the same but offers an
additional OSC waveform AND has only a single scene as
opposed to two. 

> Looking forward to hearing from you
> 
> Tom

regards,

Jon


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In a message dated 7/3/02 3:29:51 am, jondl_2000@... writes:

>From your description I'll hazard a guess you are experiencing a 
>MIDI Loop in your set-up. How is the AN1x Object defined in your 
>Autoload environment? When using the AN1x as a bitimbral 
>sound source (Layer = Dual) each Scene must be set to an 
>individual MIDI Receive Channel (Rx Ch under UTILITY/SETUP.) 
>Do the channel settings for your AN1x object in the environment 
>match the Rx Ch settings in the AN1x Voice you are using?

Dear Jon and Phil

Yep I'm on OMS 2.3.7- because that's what Midiman suggested.
Is there an Opcode upgrade for 3.7?- I thought Opcode went bust?
I have considered an AMT8 but that relies sorely on drivers present
in LAP- and I also use a Nord Modular (which even wild horses won't 
drag me away from!)- and that HAS to be used with OMS.

Jon,  I'm using LAP 4.7.2 (which I have found more stable than 4.8)
The AN1x is defined individually as channel 15 and 16 respectively
in the environment. Yes the AN1x is set to dual in Layer and the receive
channels in UTILTY/SETUP as 15 and 16- I DO know what I am doing (just!)!, 
And yes....the AN1x object matches the Rx Ch settings...
I have also experimented with the I/O filter settings as well- I'm not getting
any loops as I have through turned off (or is it on?..anyway I don't have 
this problem
It's something I learnt when using Cubase on Atari)

Now I discover that OSX may not work with early G3's after all
(See company that are suing Apple right now!)
-I'm on a beige-platinum Artemis G3/ 333 rev C 256mb ram
- fitted with SCSI UW2, FW, USB, 2 HD's etc etc
the last (and greatest) in the beige series before Apple introduced
the Blue and White nightmare!!!

Oh yes My OS is 8.6.- although I'm now considering installing OS 9

I've experimented with the Modes 1 and 2- and still no difference
The firmware I upgraded on the AN1x is rev. 1.4- is there another update?

Looks like I may have to buy a Wintel box after all (just for the editing)!

Best,

Tom

>
>
>> b) Hanging notes when using Logic, but not when playing from 
>an Akai MPC 
>> (eh???)
>> 
>
>I've read your follow up emails on this thread and know you are 
>using a MIDIMAN USB 2x2 MIDI Interface. Which version of OMS 
>are you using? v2.3.7 or v2.3.8? Are you using the current 
>MIDIMAN drivers for the 2x2? I know MIDIMAN was at one point 
>pushing OMS  v2.3.7 in favor of 2.3.8 but I also know that Opcode 
>released a 'fix' specifically for their brand name USB MIDI 
>Interfaces when using v2.3.7. I've always stuck to v2.3.8 and 
>didn't think much of the MIDIMAN 2x2. I've had _marginally_ more 
>success w/ an Opcode brand MIDIport 32 but *neither* worked 
>with AN1xEdit OR other Mac freeware apps that rely on SysEx 
>communication. MIDI Note and CC's were never a problem in 
>Logic, or Vision DSP, but every now and again Logic would not 
>'see' the Opcode USB MIDI Interface and I'd have to unplug/plug 
>the MIDIport 32 :-( Didn't have THAT problem with the MIDIMAN 
>though. Unfortunately, if you're going to use a non-Emagic USB 
>MIDI Interface with Logic you have to use OMS.
>
>I've switched tback o an Opcode Studio 128x MIDI Inteface 
>(non-USB) for my current set-up. I'm no longer using OMS w/ 
>Logic. I use the 128x in MTP emulation mode and rely on the 
>internal drivers within Logic. I use OMS *only* for IAC 
>communication from/to Logic - and very seldom at that.
>
>Eventually I'll switch to an all Emagic set-up as same brand 
>compatibilty seems to be where it's at on the Mac right now - 
>sigh :-( RANT: It seems that we took a big step backwards when 
>Gibson dismantled Opcode and support for OMS (and us users!) 
>were abandoned. Hopefully this siuation will improve when OS X 
>MIDI apps become wide spread. Word has it that Core Audio 
>services under OS X will offer native mLAN support - yea!!! END 
>OF RANT
>
>I know that Emagi'c SoundDiver offers an Ed/Lib module for the 
>AN1x but the demo doesn't permit much in the way of MIDI 
>communication so I found testing it ito be frustrating (aside from 
>trying out the user interface.) There is at least one user on this 
>list who has had success with the AMT8, AN1xEdit, and an iMac 
>via USB.
>
>
>> c) since I lost the Data book long ago, I read somewhere about 
>different 
>> modes that the AN1x operated in- could a difference between 
>Mode one and two 
>> be the answer?
>> 
>
>Doubtful. Mode 1 and Mode 2 differ only that Mode 2 uses 
>'standard' MIDI CC assignments for a handful of useful AN1x 
>parameters where as in Mode 2 Yamaha provided a MIDI CC 
>assignment for most every AN1x parameter - meaning it can be 
>(almost) fully automated. MIDI Tx and Rx ch for Scenes is not 
>affected by the Mode selection. BTW - the PDF manuals can be 
>had for free from Yamaha or the Files sction here at Yahoo! 
>Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files
>

Hi Tom, 

Just to recap, I use the AMT8 strictly with OMS 2.3.8 (without LAP) and it
works perfectly. I therefore see no reason it won't work in conjunction with
the Nord Modular.

I presume the AMT8 will also work ok with Logic. ;-)

Phil

From: terryfunken@...
Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 05:27:57 EST
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: Hello and help!

I have considered an AMT8 but that relies sorely on drivers present
in LAP- and I also use a Nord Modular (which even wild horses won't
drag me away from!)- and that HAS to be used with OMS.

--- In AN1x-list@y..., terryfunken@a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 7/3/02 3:29:51 am, jondl_2000@y... 
writes:
> 
> >From your description I'll hazard a guess you are 
experiencing a 
> >MIDI Loop in your set-up. How is the AN1x Object defined in 
your 
> >Autoload environment? When using the AN1x as a bitimbral 
> >sound source (Layer = Dual) each Scene must be set to an 
> >individual MIDI Receive Channel (Rx Ch under 
UTILITY/SETUP.) 
> >Do the channel settings for your AN1x object in the 
environment 
> >match the Rx Ch settings in the AN1x Voice you are using?
> 
> Dear Jon and Phil
> 
> Yep I'm on OMS 2.3.7- because that's what Midiman 
suggested.
> Is there an Opcode upgrade for 3.7?- I thought Opcode went 
bust?

Yes, thhere is an OMS v2.3.8 which has been available for quite 
awhile now - it's available from the Opcode 'site. And yes again, 
Opcode did 'go bust' but not without a little push from Gibson to 
put them over the edge. 

> I have considered an AMT8 but that relies sorely on drivers 
present
> in LAP- and I also use a Nord Modular (which even wild horses 
won't 
> drag me away from!)- and that HAS to be used with OMS.
> 

As Phil mentioned in his reply - the AMT8 comes with an OMS 
driver so you will be good to go running the AMT8 and OMS 
v2.3.8. And it's my understanding the Nord Mod and Micro Mod 
only *need* OMS for the stand alone editing application. Do you 
*really* need to run the Nord Editor simultaneously with Logic or 
is this just a matter of convienance, i.e., something you can live 
without? SImply configure a Nord object for MIDI Note/CC events 
in Logic and leave the editing sessions out of the equation.

I've configured Logic Audio with the 'Use OMS in addition to the 
built-in MIDI driver' settings. I made a write up of the process for 
a couple other users who were trying the same approach at the 
same time I was - I'll be happy to pass it along to you.

> Jon,  I'm using LAP 4.7.2 (which I have found more stable than 
4.8)
> The AN1x is defined individually as channel 15 and 16 
respectively
> in the environment. Yes the AN1x is set to dual in Layer and the 
receive
> channels in UTILTY/SETUP as 15 and 16- I DO know what I 
am doing (just!)!, 
> And yes....the AN1x object matches the Rx Ch settings...
> I have also experimented with the I/O filter settings as well- I'm 
not getting
> any loops as I have through turned off (or is it on?..anyway I 
don't have 
> this problem
> It's something I learnt when using Cubase on Atari)
> 

Then it sounds as though it is NOT a MIDI Loop - I would blame 
the MIDIsport 2x2 at this point. On a side note, FWIW there is a 
constant trickle of new member subscriptions on this list so I 
*try* (not always successful) to direct trouble shooting questions 
to the lowest common denominator.This approach is not meant 
to undermine or second guess anybodys knowledge or ability 
but simply to keep anybody joining in on the thread on the same 
page :-) 

> Now I discover that OSX may not work with early G3's after all
> (See company that are suing Apple right now!)

I'm not certain what you mean,,,I haven't kept current on what G* 
processors OS X will run on or not...I'm barely current on the 
latest Core Audio gossip...check in on the Opcode users list 
from time to time and you'll find Doug Wyattt will post ;-) I figure 
the MusikMesse next week(?) will bring all kinds of news.

> -I'm on a beige-platinum Artemis G3/ 333 rev C 256mb ram
> - fitted with SCSI UW2, FW, USB, 2 HD's etc etc

I'm using a beige desktop G3/466 (ZIF upgraded) rev A 512 MB 
RAM with upgraded HD and a TurboMax ATA/66 card w/ a 
dedicated audio HD, USB PCI card, standard SCSI, and an Echo 
Gina 20-bit audio card - not going to bother with a FW upgrade 
on this machine.

> the last (and greatest) in the beige series before Apple 
introduced
> the Blue and White nightmare!!!
> 

They've had their share of hits and misses...Still, I'd take a 
TiBook 667 Mhz if they offered ;-)

> Oh yes My OS is 8.6.- although I'm now considering installing 
OS 9
> 

If your system is stable on 8.6 with LAP 4.7 and you're satisfied 
with the functionality I wouldn't recommend upgrading for the 
sake of upgrading. It's not likely to fix the stuck MIDI note problem 
and you'll have gone through the typical upgrade nitpicky hassles 
that inevitably occur.

I'm on 9.2.2 with LAG 4.8.1 and everything is hunky dory. The only 
glitch with the LAG update was cleared by rebuilding my LAG 
Preferences and resaving soe songs. BATTERY hiccuped when 
I went to 9.2.2 from 9.2.1 but the problems (of which there were a 
few) were all specific to BATTERY - not 9.2.2.

> I've experimented with the Modes 1 and 2- and still no 
difference

Not suprised - it shouldn't make a difference.

> The firmware I upgraded on the AN1x is rev. 1.4- is there 
another update?
> 

I haven't asked but I don't believe it would make any difference. I 
had the same MIDIport 2x2 nonsense you've seen with both v1.2 
and v1.4. 

> Looks like I may have to buy a Wintel box after all (just for the 
editing)!
> 

Cheaper to get a second MIDI Interface. I have a spare Opcode 
Translator Pro 2x6 (serial) MIDI Interface I've been planning to let 
go of. Email me if you're interested.

regards,

Jon