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2002-01-14 by doctor_speed_2001
Is anyone using there An1x with an Emagic AMT8?
I'm having a problem with the editor software broadcasting the edit
information on all the midi devices. It is odd, when I change a
control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the setting of the amt8.
I can watch the midi activity lights and all the outputs light up
when I changes the cutoff (in the editor) for example.
Thanks,
Steve2002-01-14 by Peter Korsten
From: "doctor_speed_2001" <doctor_speed_2001@...> > Is anyone using there An1x with an Emagic AMT8? No, but... > I'm having a problem with the editor software broadcasting the edit > information on all the midi devices. It is odd, when I change a > control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the setting of the amt8. > I can watch the midi activity lights and all the outputs light up > when I changes the cutoff (in the editor) for example. It looks like the AMT8 is listening to certain specific MIDI information it shouldn't do. Is there perhaps a setting in the AMT8 that you can switch off, so it only listens to its own ID? I forgot the exact phrasing, perhaps the rest could help us out here. - Peter
2002-01-15 by jondl_2000
--- In AN1x-list@y..., "doctor_speed_2001" <doctor_speed_2001@y...> wrote: > > Is anyone using there An1x with an Emagic AMT8? Are you using Win or Mac? > > I'm having a problem with the editor software broadcasting the edit > information on all the midi devices. It is odd, when I change a > control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the setting of the amt8. How exactly? What settings on the AMT8 are affected? > I can watch the midi activity lights and all the outputs light up > when I changes the cutoff (in the editor) for example. > I assume you mean on ports other than the pair connecting the AN1x to the AMT8, right? > Thanks, > Steve Jon
2002-01-15 by doctor_speed_2001
--- In AN1x-list@y..., "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@y..., "doctor_speed_2001" > <doctor_speed_2001@y...> wrote: > > > > Is anyone using there An1x with an Emagic AMT8? > > Are you using Win or Mac? > > > > > > I'm having a problem with the editor software broadcasting the > edit > > information on all the midi devices. It is odd, when I change a > > control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the setting of the > amt8. > > How exactly? What settings on the AMT8 are affected? > > > I can watch the midi activity lights and all the outputs light up > > when I changes the cutoff (in the editor) for example. > > > > I assume you mean on ports other than the pair connecting the > AN1x to the AMT8, right? > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > Jon
2002-01-15 by Gary Gregson
Hi Steve, >> It is odd, when I change a control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the setting of the amt8. << Can you be more specific? Are you saying it actually changes parameters within the amt8 device, and if so which? Or are you simply saying that the amt8 broadcasts the incoming data to all MIDI ports? If it's the latter, then it may be by design. The AN1xEdit data is sent as channel independent System Exclusive data. It may be that the amt8 is designed to broadcast sysex on all ports (or there is some switch in the unit that provides this mode). It seems a strange thing to do, but should cause any problems (beyond needlessly consuming bandwidth!) Regards Gary Gregson Email:gary@... http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
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From: doctor_speed_2001 [mailto:doctor_speed_2001@...]
Sent: 14 January 2002 21:28
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x-list] Emagic amt8 and An1x and An1xEdit
Is anyone using there An1x with an Emagic AMT8?
I'm having a problem with the editor software broadcasting the edit
information on all the midi devices. It is odd, when I change a
control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the setting of the amt8.
I can watch the midi activity lights and all the outputs light up
when I changes the cutoff (in the editor) for example.
Thanks,
Steve2002-01-15 by doctor_speed_2001
--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...> wrote: >> It is odd, when I change a >> control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the >>setting of the amt8. > Can you be more specific? Are you saying it actually > changes parameters within the amt8 device, and if >so which? Or are you simply saying that > the amt8 broadcasts the incoming data to all MIDI ports? > .... I think it is actually changing parameters on the amt8. The amt8 has patches itself and when I use a control and An1xEdit, the patch on the amt8 is somehow changed. I'm not sure what parameters in the amt8 are being changed. If I turn on the midi activity window (which prints out the midi activity) it quits working also. > If it's the latter, then it may be by design. The >AN1xEdit data is sent as channel independent >System Exclusive data. It may be that the amt8 is > designed to broadcast sysex on all ports >(or there is some switch in the unit that provides >this mode). It seems a strange thing to do, but > should cause any problems (beyond needlessly >consuming bandwidth!) It did not occur to me that An1xEdit is using sysex, I just assumed controllers (since I was using the Cutoff control to diagnose the problem), but it makes more sense that sysex data might be goofing up the amt8. I'll check the documentation tonight. Thanks for the input. -Steve
2002-01-15 by Gary Gregson
>> It did not occur to me that An1xEdit is using sysex, I just assumed controllers (since I was using the Cutoff control to diagnose the problem), but it makes more sense that sysex data might be goofing up the amt8. I'll check the documentation tonight. << If the amt8 responds to AN1x sysex, then the amt8 has a serious design fault. Sysex is both Manufacturer, and device/unit specific! Regards Gary Gregson Email:gary@... http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
2002-01-15 by GaryO
Steve, You might want to ask this question on the SoundDiver's newsgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sounddiver-users/ . Michael Haydn (Emagic) is a participant in this group. He wrote most (if not all) of the code for the AMT8 and should be able to help you out. Best regards, GaryO >I think it is actually changing parameters on >the amt8. The amt8 has patches itself and when I >use a control and An1xEdit, the patch on the amt8 >is somehow changed. I'm not sure what parameters >in the amt8 are being changed. If I turn on the midi >activity window (which prints out the midi activity) >it quits working also. >It did not occur to me that An1xEdit is using sysex, >I just assumed controllers (since I was using the Cutoff >control to diagnose the problem), but it makes more >sense that sysex data might be goofing up the amt8. >I'll check the documentation tonight. >Thanks for the input. >-Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=216105.1806326.3318126.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050321 44:HM/A=915128/R=0/O=1/I=brandr-lrec/postholidaygroup/*http://shopping.yahoo .com/domain?d=holiday&cf=posthol01> Community email addresses: Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-15 by jondl_2000
--- In AN1x-list@y..., "doctor_speed_2001" <doctor_speed_2001@y...> wrote: > --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...> wrote: > >> It is odd, when I change a > >> control on the An1xEdit software, it changes the > >>setting of the amt8. > > Can you be more specific? Are you saying it actually > > changes parameters within the amt8 device, and if > >so which? Or are you simply saying that > > the amt8 broadcasts the incoming data to all MIDI ports? > > .... > > I think it is actually changing parameters on > the amt8. The amt8 has patches itself and when I > use a control and An1xEdit, the patch on the amt8 > is somehow changed. I'm not sure what parameters > in the amt8 are being changed. If I turn on the midi > activity window (which prints out the midi activity) > it quits working also. > > From your description it sounds like your AMT8 is receiving a program change command and as a result is inc/dec through it's internal patches. Does this happen ONLY when performing an edit from within AN1xEdit or are you using a second hardware controller by chance? Perhaps a MIDI loop is occuring - I had a MIDI loop result in all kinds of havoc in my MIDI set-up recently. At present I use an Opcode Studio 128x (similar to an AMT8) and I typically leave program one on the 128x set to a null configuration for use with my sequencing environment and other MIDI apps. Is your AMT8 by chance defaulting to a program with some custom MIDI mapping for stand alone use? I use a few programs on the 128x to route the AN1x (my controller keyboard) to other hardware devices for stand alone use, i.e., no computer turned on. Perhaps you do the same with the AMT8? Just some ideas....I think you should check out the Sound Diver list as Gary suggested. That's probably your best shot :-) Jon
2002-01-17 by doctor_speed_2001
Okay, I think I got to the bottom of the problem, not that I really solved the problem. The amt8 has two modes of operation 'PatchBay Mode' and 'Computer Mode'. They are exclusive to each other. So, I can't use ANY editing software with the amt8 AND have it work as a patchbay. The only way around it is to use a different midi device out of the pc into the amt8 so that the amt8 does not go into 'computer mode'. I read and reread and I don't see a way around it. Fortunately I have another (usb) midi device that I can use this way, it turns out that I have to do it for my Nord Modular editing software too. Thanks everyone for your help. -Steve
2002-01-20 by Phil
Hi Steve, Sorry to be chiming in late on this one.... Yeah, I also have an AMT8 and suffer the same fate re 'PatchBay Mode' and 'Computer Mode'. With AN1x Edit, I can launch it and all will be ok, but switch from my sequencer (Pro Tools) and back to AN1x Edit and the damn thing switches back to 'PatchBay Mode' and hence, it tries to send your AN1x controllers to every synth in your studio. To get around this, I simply re-launch AN1x Edit and all's fine again. Sorry to hear it's causing problems with the Nord Modular software as well. That's something I'll have to look into. Tell me, does it work fine when you initially lauch the software (and then only come unstuck if you switch applications mid-session)? Also, are you using OMS? Another drawback (from what otherwise is a fine MIDI interface) is MIDI Beat Clock doesn't seem to be able to be transmitted from single ports. Using ProTools/OMS, it appears it's all or nothing, whereas when using my Roland USB S-MPU64, I had the option in Pro Tools to send MIDI Beat Clock to the individual synths connected to the interface. Strange?!! Phil
From: "doctor_speed_2001" <doctor_speed_2001@...> Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:49:31 -0000 To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Emagic amt8 and An1x and An1xEdit (conclusion) Okay, I think I got to the bottom of the problem, not that I really solved the problem. The amt8 has two modes of operation 'PatchBay Mode' and 'Computer Mode'. They are exclusive to each other. So, I can't use ANY editing software with the amt8 AND have it work as a patchbay. The only way around it is to use a different midi device out of the pc into the amt8 so that the amt8 does not go into 'computer mode'. I read and reread and I don't see a way around it. Fortunately I have another (usb) midi device that I can use this way, it turns out that I have to do it for my Nord Modular editing software too. Thanks everyone for your help. -Steve Community email addresses: Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-21 by doctor_speed_2001
> Yeah, I also have an AMT8 and suffer the same > fate re 'PatchBay Mode' and > 'Computer Mode'. With AN1x Edit, I can launch >it and all will be ok, but > switch from my sequencer (Pro Tools) and back to AN1x Edit and the >... > Tell me, does it work fine when you > initially lauch the software (and then > only come unstuck if you switch > applications mid-session)? Also, are you using OMS? If I'm in patch mode, it changes to computer mode when I launch An1xEdit. If I switch back to patch mode, it will switch back to computer mode when I do something in An1x (like press a key on the virtual keyboard). I'm just going to run An1xEdit midi out through a second USB midi interface and into the amt8. The amt8 should stay in patch mode (this is what I do with Nord Modular anyway). It is a drag that all the synths I have that have patch editors will need to be run this way. -Steve