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Hi,

I'm just so happy. I finally got AN1x, so it seems to me that I'm the only one here to having both AN200 and AN1x now??? ;-D

I haven't compared them soundwise really, maybe I'll do that someday. But for now I feel(?) that AN1x sounds fatter and softer than AN200.

But what makes me really wonder is that, I was shocked how easy and logical the user interface of AN1x compared to that glumsy what should I press/turn next interface of AN200. What was Yamaha thinking here? Why they just didn't include same kind of voice editing system to AN200? Which leads me to another question. Why AN1x disappeared from market so rapidly after it was released, was there maybe some lawsuit thing going on? Were Yamaha forced to drop that product line maybe because of some copyright or something like that issues?

Cheers,
TimoS


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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@u...> wrote:
>Why AN1x disappeared from market so rapidly after it was released, 
>was there maybe some lawsuit thing going on? 

Well, i bought one of the last C-stock AN1x in a little store here in 
Germany in 2000. The AN1x came out 1997, so around three years seems 
to be a normal life-cylce for Yamaha gear these days. 

It happened to the FS1r (another great FM-synth by Yamaha), to the 
SU700, to the EX5 series and to their Ax000 Sampler series. The only 
product that doesn´t seem to get this way is the RM1x (seems to me).

I and i am sure a lot of other people would appreciate though, if 
Yamaha would made the attempt for a new AN2x or AN1000x or something. 
Still, congratulations to your purchase. Now you have a lot of 
analogue power. If you don´t like the interface of the AN200 to 
program sounds, do it on the AN1x and download them to the AN200 via 
AN1xEdit.

--Tom

the answer i got, was it didnt sell very well, its monotimbral... 
yuck :)

similar fate for the fs1r...... dunno, yamaha likes making crap like 
cs6x/2x/motif  (i won a cs2x and 6x to host my plgAN)

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@u...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm just so happy. I finally got AN1x, so it seems to me that I'm 
the only one here to having both AN200 and AN1x now??? ;-D
> 
> I haven't compared them soundwise really, maybe I'll do that 
someday. But for now I feel(?) that AN1x sounds fatter and softer 
than AN200.
> 
> But what makes me really wonder is that, I was shocked how easy and 
logical the user interface of AN1x compared to that glumsy what 
should I press/turn next interface of AN200. What was Yamaha thinking 
here? Why they just didn't include same kind of voice editing system 
to AN200? Which leads me to another question. Why AN1x disappeared 
from market so rapidly after it was released, was there maybe some 
lawsuit thing going on? Were Yamaha forced to drop that product line 
maybe because of some copyright or something like that issues?

> 
> Cheers,
> TimoS
> 
> 
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For some reason the An1x was not the commercial succes they hoped it would be...Yamaha's marketing strategy has lauchned lots of products that were quite good but were taken of the market within months...an1x, a4k/a5k, that formant shaping synth...etc.  I don't there was a lawsuit since the technology of the an1x has been used in other synths and cards up to this day..

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Timo Sandholm 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:18 AM
  Subject: [AN1x-list] Even more AN200 vs. AN1X comparison


  Hi,

  I'm just so happy. I finally got AN1x, so it seems to me that I'm the only one here to having both AN200 and AN1x now??? ;-D

  I haven't compared them soundwise really, maybe I'll do that someday. But for now I feel(?) that AN1x sounds fatter and softer than AN200.

  But what makes me really wonder is that, I was shocked how easy and logical the user interface of AN1x compared to that glumsy what should I press/turn next interface of AN200. What was Yamaha thinking here? Why they just didn't include same kind of voice editing system to AN200? Which leads me to another question. Why AN1x disappeared from market so rapidly after it was released, was there maybe some lawsuit thing going on? Were Yamaha forced to drop that product line maybe because of some copyright or something like that issues?

  Cheers,
  TimoS


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It's bi-timbral like most the jp8k wich was a bigger succes...i think the an1x got taken of the market in 1999 already. and I dont think you'l ever be able to put a plugin card into a cs2x.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gearless2000@... 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:42 PM
  Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Even more AN200 vs. AN1X comparison


  the answer i got, was it didnt sell very well, its monotimbral... 
  yuck :)




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From: "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@...>

> Which leads me to another question. Why AN1x disappeared from market so
rapidly after it was released, was there maybe some lawsuit thing going on?
Were Yamaha forced to drop that product line maybe because of some copyright
or something like that issues?

I would imagine that Yamaha made some calculations in the sales department.
They predicted they would sell N units, so they produced N units and that's
it. That's most probably why the AN1r was canned: they thought they wouldn't
sell enough units to make a profit.

Which leads me to believe that it disappeared from the market that soon
*because* it was a success.

Yamaha is good at producing a lot of units at one go, and I mean a serious
amount of units. It also means that if product X is being produced, product
Y cannot be produced. So they can't go on producing a certain product for
several years, like a smaller manufacturer with a far smaller product
palette like Access or Novation can.

But the AN1x was the first of kinds kind in Yamaha's product line, a bit of
a test case, and I think it has served to produce the later AN units, like
the AN200, PLG150AN, and in a way the EX5/5R. (The latter one, in turn,
seems like a test case for the Motif.)

If Yamaha doesn't think the virtual analogue market is saturated, and that
they can sell enough units, we will see new AN synths. What is kind of
worrying is that there hasn't been any evolution in the AN structure, apart
from cross-modulation. We don't have more oscillators or filters, for
instance. It could have to do with the economic crisis that has hit Japan
hard, and from which it is still trying to recover.

I"m not the Yamaha expert, but this is what I can tell for hearsay and some
reasoning of my own.

- Peter