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Hi,

My music leans towards Chemical Brothers and such.

I'm looking for a good open-ended drumcomputer and here are the options I was considering:
* Novation drumstation / only good for x0x emulation and works with SAMPLES :-(
* Jomox Xbase09 / good sound, almost fully analog :-) but only 3 part multitimbral :-(
* Roland Grooveboxes / SAMPLES! :-(
* Korg ER-1 / open-ended and very experimental sounds possible but sounds thin (and looks like a toy)

Now, since Yamaha didn't follow the same line as Korg by bringing out a VA and a drummachine to go with it (the case of the EA-1 and ER-1) I wonder if the AN200 is as good a drummachine as it is a VA.  What I mean is, after reading the list of drummachines I've had a look at, do you think I could find what I'm looking for in the AN200??  It should do punching KICKS, sharp SNARES, nice HHs, CYMBALS, ... the whole thing.  I would rather not go for a sampler if that's what you would advise me.

Something else, I looked at the specs of the AN1x and the AN200 but what I couldn't find was data on the multitimbrality of the AN200.  I know the AN1x is only 2 part (which could be limiting) but I'd like to know how the AN200 stands up to the AN1x (major differences and such)

Greets,

Benjamin Dirix
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Benjamin Dirix (EBR)" <benjamin.dirix@e...> 
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My music leans towards Chemical Brothers and such.
> 
> I'm looking for a good open-ended drumcomputer and here are the 
options I was considering:
> * Novation drumstation / only good for x0x emulation and works with 
SAMPLES :-(

Don't understand what your saying? Isn't the Drumstation an Analog 
Modeling synth? And it has no physical trigger pads or built in 
sequencer so you're most definitely restricted to to using external 
controllers and sequencer to trigger the sounds.

> * Jomox Xbase09 / good sound, almost fully analog :-) but only 3 
part multitimbral :-(

How important is multitimbral in a drum computer?

> * Roland Grooveboxes / SAMPLES! :-(

Yes, they use samples - is this bad? 

> * Korg ER-1 / open-ended and very experimental sounds possible but 
sounds thin (and looks like a toy)
> 

I wouldn't place to much emphasis on appearance over features - 
that's an artificial limitation.


> Now, since Yamaha didn't follow the same line as Korg by bringing 
out a VA and a drummachine to go with it (the case of the EA-1 and ER-
1) I wonder if the AN200 is as good a drummachine as it is a VA.  
What I mean is, after reading the list of drummachines I've had a 
look at, do you think I could find what I'm looking for in the 
AN200??  It should do punching KICKS, sharp SNARES, nice HHs, 
CYMBALS, ... the whole thing.  I would rather not go for a sampler if 
that's what you would advise me.

You need to listen to the AN200 drum sounds yourself. The two or 
three times I've played an AN200 the drums did not impress me much.

> 
> Something else, I looked at the specs of the AN1x and the AN200 but 
what I couldn't find was data on the multitimbrality of the AN200.  I 
know the AN1x is only 2 part (which could be limiting) but I'd like 
to know how the AN200 stands up to the AN1x (major differences and 
such)

Here are the specs for both AN1x and AN200. Keep in mind that spec's 
are only half the story. The AN1x has no built in drum samples like 
the AN200 does. Does this mean the AN200 is "better"? But the AN200 
has no full size keys - does that mean the AN1x is "better"?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-
list/files/Documentation/an1x_specs.htm

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-
list/files/Documentation/plg150_an_specs.htm

and here's the online AN200 review at Keyboard magazine. Maybe this 
is of help too:

http://www.keyboardmag.com/demos/an200_dx200/index.shtml


> 
> Greets,
> 
> Benjamin Dirix

regards,

Jon

Hi
i have to disagree with you.
Among other drum systems I also own the ER-1
it is not 'thin' at all and I love the fact that it looks like a toy.
if it sounded thin to you, you have one of these 2 problems:
1. very Bad Audio setup ( Mixer,Cables,Monitors)
2. Very bad programming tricks.
on my setup I have to lower the Bass EQ many times,
and I use Meyer Sound HD-1 as my Mains.

also,
I use a real cheap Analog drum machine called
the DR-110 by Roland/Boss
and I built a long time ago an external switch box ( 30 knobs) to control
the sound's shape and color .
you get the sound and sample it to your sample
or Just program it live/step.
It does have now a Sync option too.
It sounds much better than any VA out there
but If you want Digital, get the ER-1 and learn how to use it.


LZ




"Benjamin Dirix (EBR)" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My music leans towards Chemical Brothers and such.
>
> I'm looking for a good open-ended drumcomputer and here are the options I was considering:
> * Novation drumstation / only good for x0x emulation and works with SAMPLES :-(
> * Jomox Xbase09 / good sound, almost fully analog :-) but only 3 part multitimbral :-(
> * Roland Grooveboxes / SAMPLES! :-(
> * Korg ER-1 / open-ended and very experimental sounds possible but sounds thin (and looks like a toy)
>
> Now, since Yamaha didn't follow the same line as Korg by bringing out a VA and a drummachine to go with it (the case of the EA-1 and ER-1) I wonder if the AN200 is as good a drummachine as it is a VA.  What I mean is, after reading the list of drummachines I've had a look at, do you think I could find what I'm looking for in the AN200??  It should do punching KICKS, sharp SNARES, nice HHs, CYMBALS, ... the whole thing.  I would rather not go for a sampler if that's what you would advise me.
>
> Something else, I looked at the specs of the AN1x and the AN200 but what I couldn't find was data on the multitimbrality of the AN200.  I know the AN1x is only 2 part (which could be limiting) but I'd like to know how the AN200 stands up to the AN1x (major differences and such)
>
> Greets,
>
> Benjamin Dirix
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> mobile: +32.477.676748
> email:  benjamin.dirix@...
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Benjamin Dirix (EBR)" <benjamin.dirix@e...> 
> Now, since Yamaha didn't follow the same line as Korg by bringing 
out a VA and a drummachine to go with it (the case of the EA-1 and ER-
1) I wonder if the AN200 is as good a drummachine as it is a VA.  
The drumsets are AFAIK the same as in the RM1x and those are not bad 
and usable but samples as in the Roland Grooveboxes. 
I would suggest a Jomox Airbase...it´s only a rack but as well as the 
XBase09 with a combi of really punchy analogue sounds and samples. 
Of course you don´t have a sequencer, but that´s why you get a AN200, 
right? Even consider a ER-1, the sequencer and the interface are 
fantastic. The sound can be almost as good as Xbase with some EQing.

But all in all, try some things out, and if you don´t like them, get 
rid of them and get something new.
I recently purchased a s/h Xbase to play together with my AN1x and 
RS7000 and it rocks. The only three parts sequencer doesn´t bother 
me...i mean...it´s a drummachine, not a ROMpler...