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Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

2001-06-06 by fernando.guerreiro@netvisao.pt

Hello all,
I'm a proud owner of an AN1x for almost 3 years. It is the controller 
keyboard (and only keyboard)in my home studio. The thing is, I'm 
planning to upgrade, and because of space reasons I will have to sell 
it. I'm really interested in the new Motif 6 keyboard, and I'm 
planning on adding a PLG150AN board to it, in order not to loose my 
fantastic AN1x sounds. Will the conversion of my patches to this 
board work 100%? I mean I know I will loose on polyphony, but other 
than that what should I expect, in what regards FX, free EG, step 
sequencer and the sounds themselves?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Re: [AN1x-list] Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

2001-06-06 by Reggie

I expect Gary G can answer this more fully, but I'll give it a go,  The
PLG AN only has 1 FX unit, 'Amp sim', but the Host device may well offer
you some FX instead (I have mine plugged into my SW1000XG so I get all
the FX from that!).  Free EG will be fine, Step Sequencer will be fine
and The sounds on Scene 1 will also be fine, However, The PLG AN only
has 1 scene, So any sounds that you have that use the 2nd scene will
have to have the 2nd scene copied and pasted to Scene 1 on a new patch.

I have delved into this as I thought that a lot of the sounds that were
posted were pretty 'weak' until I realised about the second Scene (Using
an-edit in 'PLG 150 mode' does not show the second scene!)

So, I started to extract some of them and found out what I was missing.

At this moment in time There is no software out there that will Convert
the second Scene info. Into a PLG AN readable format, But I get the
feeling that if we ask Michael at http://www.xgpad.com he may add this
sort of thing to XGPad for us?




In article <9flq3r+5b6e@...>, Fernando.guerreiro@...
writes
>Hello all,
>I'm a proud owner of an AN1x for almost 3 years. It is the controller 
>keyboard (and only keyboard)in my home studio. The thing is, I'm 
>planning to upgrade, and because of space reasons I will have to sell 
>it. I'm really interested in the new Motif 6 keyboard, and I'm 
>planning on adding a PLG150AN board to it, in order not to loose my 
>fantastic AN1x sounds. Will the conversion of my patches to this 
>board work 100%? I mean I know I will loose on polyphony, but other 
>than that what should I expect, in what regards FX, free EG, step 
>sequencer and the sounds themselves?
>Thanks in advance for your help. 
>
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See ya,

Reggie

RE: [AN1x-list] Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

2001-06-07 by Gary Gregson

Hi Fernado,

Reggie has pretty much covered what you will lose (for a more exact
description of the differences take a look at the Introduction sections
of the AN1xEdit Help file).

The bottom line is that if a voice doesn't rely on both scenes or An1x
effects, then the result will be almost identical.

If a voice relies on effects then you may be able to compensate using
the effects of the PLG host (although I don't know of any PLG hosts that
provide the most used AN1x effect...Tempo Delay! It may be worth
checking this out on Motif)
 
If a voice relies on dual scenes then there is going to be a noticeable
difference. However, it is not true that you cannot covert the second
scene. Simply duplicate the voice in the An1xEdit library (in AN1x
mode). Then use the program copy features to copy the second scene to
the first scene of the duplicate voice. You will now have two identical
patches expect one contains the first scene and the other the second.
You can then convert the library to PLG mode (by saving and then loading
into An1xEdit in PLG mode).

The useful of the second scene really depends on how it was used in the
original A1nx patch. 

a) If the scenes were always used as independently then you are
OK...simply select the appropriate saved patch.

b) If the second scene was purely used for morphing, you are in
luck....as you can setup the PLG150AN to morph between the current patch
and an alternate patch in the preset or user banks. Hence you could
morph between the two patches you saved above.

b) If it was used as a layer or a split then you really need two PLG
cards to replicate the same patch (i.e. each card loading one of the
scene patches). 

On the plus side the PLG does offer some things that AN1x doesn't.  For
instance it provides some additional VCO and LFO waveforms and there is
a new cross modulation algorithm between the VCOs. Also if you are using
it within a DAW system such as the XGFactory cards (SW1K, DSPF), then
you can maintain all signals in the digital domain.

Of course used with Motif it does add more variety to your performance
options ;-) 

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 
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-----Original Message-----
From: fernando.guerreiro@...
[mailto:fernando.guerreiro@...] 
Sent: 06 June 2001 18:43
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x-list] Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

Hello all,
I'm a proud owner of an AN1x for almost 3 years. It is the controller 
keyboard (and only keyboard)in my home studio. The thing is, I'm 
planning to upgrade, and because of space reasons I will have to sell 
it. I'm really interested in the new Motif 6 keyboard, and I'm 
planning on adding a PLG150AN board to it, in order not to loose my 
fantastic AN1x sounds. Will the conversion of my patches to this 
board work 100%? I mean I know I will loose on polyphony, but other 
than that what should I expect, in what regards FX, free EG, step 
sequencer and the sounds themselves?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Re: [AN1x-list] Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

2001-06-07 by Reggie

I'd just like to point out that at no time did I say that you couldn't
convert the second scene, I did mention that no software out there that
will Convert the second Scene info.  I feel I should clarify what I
meant by this, there is no software out there that will automatically
convert them, AN-edit of course allows you to edit the second scene, and
it allows copying of the 2nd scene and pasting it to a new patch as 1st
scene, but on 128 possible patches it can be quite a drawn out process.

In article <000401c0ef3d$2abfa4a0$0200a8c0@bigpc>, Gary Gregson
<gary@...> writes
>Hi Fernado,
>
>Reggie has pretty much covered what you will lose (for a more exact
>description of the differences take a look at the Introduction sections
>of the AN1xEdit Help file).
>
>The bottom line is that if a voice doesn't rely on both scenes or An1x
>effects, then the result will be almost identical.
>
>If a voice relies on effects then you may be able to compensate using
>the effects of the PLG host (although I don't know of any PLG hosts that
>provide the most used AN1x effect...Tempo Delay! It may be worth
>checking this out on Motif)
> 
>If a voice relies on dual scenes then there is going to be a noticeable
>difference. However, it is not true that you cannot covert the second
>scene. Simply duplicate the voice in the An1xEdit library (in AN1x
>mode). Then use the program copy features to copy the second scene to
>the first scene of the duplicate voice. You will now have two identical
>patches expect one contains the first scene and the other the second.
>You can then convert the library to PLG mode (by saving and then loading
>into An1xEdit in PLG mode).
>
>The useful of the second scene really depends on how it was used in the
>original A1nx patch. 
>
>a) If the scenes were always used as independently then you are
>OK...simply select the appropriate saved patch.
>
>b) If the second scene was purely used for morphing, you are in
>luck....as you can setup the PLG150AN to morph between the current patch
>and an alternate patch in the preset or user banks. Hence you could
>morph between the two patches you saved above.
>
>b) If it was used as a layer or a split then you really need two PLG
>cards to replicate the same patch (i.e. each card loading one of the
>scene patches). 
>
>On the plus side the PLG does offer some things that AN1x doesn't.  For
>instance it provides some additional VCO and LFO waveforms and there is
>a new cross modulation algorithm between the VCOs. Also if you are using
>it within a DAW system such as the XGFactory cards (SW1K, DSPF), then
>you can maintain all signals in the digital domain.
>
>Of course used with Motif it does add more variety to your performance
>options ;-) 
>
>Regards
>
>Gary Gregson
>
>Email:gary@...
>http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fernando.guerreiro@...
>[mailto:fernando.guerreiro@...] 
>Sent: 06 June 2001 18:43
>To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AN1x-list] Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN
>
>Hello all,
>I'm a proud owner of an AN1x for almost 3 years. It is the controller 
>keyboard (and only keyboard)in my home studio. The thing is, I'm 
>planning to upgrade, and because of space reasons I will have to sell 
>it. I'm really interested in the new Motif 6 keyboard, and I'm 
>planning on adding a PLG150AN board to it, in order not to loose my 
>fantastic AN1x sounds. Will the conversion of my patches to this 
>board work 100%? I mean I know I will loose on polyphony, but other 
>than that what should I expect, in what regards FX, free EG, step 
>sequencer and the sounds themselves?
>Thanks in advance for your help. 
>
>
>
>
>
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>

See ya,

Reggie

Re: Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN

2001-06-07 by fernando.guerreiro@netvisao.pt

Thanks guys. You've been very helpfull! I think it's better to keep 
my AN1x for the moment ;-) 


--- In AN1x-list@y..., Reggie <reggie@t...> wrote:
> I'd just like to point out that at no time did I say that you 
couldn't
> convert the second scene, I did mention that no software out there 
that
> will Convert the second Scene info.  I feel I should clarify what I
> meant by this, there is no software out there that will 
automatically
> convert them, AN-edit of course allows you to edit the second 
scene, and
> it allows copying of the 2nd scene and pasting it to a new patch as 
1st
> scene, but on 128 possible patches it can be quite a drawn out 
process.
> 
> In article <000401c0ef3d$2abfa4a0$0200a8c0@bigpc>, Gary Gregson
> <gary@y...> writes
> >Hi Fernado,
> >
> >Reggie has pretty much covered what you will lose (for a more exact
> >description of the differences take a look at the Introduction 
sections
> >of the AN1xEdit Help file).
> >
> >The bottom line is that if a voice doesn't rely on both scenes or 
An1x
> >effects, then the result will be almost identical.
> >
> >If a voice relies on effects then you may be able to compensate 
using
> >the effects of the PLG host (although I don't know of any PLG 
hosts that
> >provide the most used AN1x effect...Tempo Delay! It may be worth
> >checking this out on Motif)
> > 
> >If a voice relies on dual scenes then there is going to be a 
noticeable
> >difference. However, it is not true that you cannot covert the 
second
> >scene. Simply duplicate the voice in the An1xEdit library (in AN1x
> >mode). Then use the program copy features to copy the second scene 
to
> >the first scene of the duplicate voice. You will now have two 
identical
> >patches expect one contains the first scene and the other the 
second.
> >You can then convert the library to PLG mode (by saving and then 
loading
> >into An1xEdit in PLG mode).
> >
> >The useful of the second scene really depends on how it was used 
in the
> >original A1nx patch. 
> >
> >a) If the scenes were always used as independently then you are
> >OK...simply select the appropriate saved patch.
> >
> >b) If the second scene was purely used for morphing, you are in
> >luck....as you can setup the PLG150AN to morph between the current 
patch
> >and an alternate patch in the preset or user banks. Hence you could
> >morph between the two patches you saved above.
> >
> >b) If it was used as a layer or a split then you really need two 
PLG
> >cards to replicate the same patch (i.e. each card loading one of 
the
> >scene patches). 
> >
> >On the plus side the PLG does offer some things that AN1x 
doesn't.  For
> >instance it provides some additional VCO and LFO waveforms and 
there is
> >a new cross modulation algorithm between the VCOs. Also if you are 
using
> >it within a DAW system such as the XGFactory cards (SW1K, DSPF), 
then
> >you can maintain all signals in the digital domain.
> >
> >Of course used with Motif it does add more variety to your 
performance
> >options ;-) 
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Gary Gregson
> >
> >Email:gary@y...
> >http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: fernando.guerreiro@n...
> >[mailto:fernando.guerreiro@n...] 
> >Sent: 06 June 2001 18:43
> >To: AN1x-list@y...
> >Subject: [AN1x-list] Transferring patches from AN1x to PLG150AN
> >
> >Hello all,
> >I'm a proud owner of an AN1x for almost 3 years. It is the 
controller 
> >keyboard (and only keyboard)in my home studio. The thing is, I'm 
> >planning to upgrade, and because of space reasons I will have to 
sell 
> >it. I'm really interested in the new Motif 6 keyboard, and I'm 
> >planning on adding a PLG150AN board to it, in order not to loose 
my 
> >fantastic AN1x sounds. Will the conversion of my patches to this 
> >board work 100%? I mean I know I will loose on polyphony, but 
other 
> >than that what should I expect, in what regards FX, free EG, step 
> >sequencer and the sounds themselves?
> >Thanks in advance for your help. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Community email addresses:
> >  Post message: AN1x-list@y...
> >  Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@y...
> >  Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@y...
> >  List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@y...
> >
> >Shortcut URL to this page:
> >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
> > 
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
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> >
> 
> See ya,
> 
> Reggie

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