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yeah.....im not speaking because i wanna be "ultra hip" and use a unix based 
OS for mental masturbation...i just have a good feeling that i'm going to be 
moving away from the windows envirnment pretty soon simply because i dont 
like this business of a hardwired OS that tells on me if i dont pay for 
winzip...im not down with all that-and i think alot of other people feel the 
same way....im sure something with sound will pop up soon with Linux....i 
know there are some trackers out there for it already, but i'm not too into 
the tracker scene even tho trackers are definitely dope....oh well...

haha, yeah, you can definitely screw yourself with multiple desktops, but i 
think it would be aaasome for my live setup...

haha, OS X sucks my nuts...we have it in our studio-it's the pits...i found 
it rather hilarious when the founder of linux replied when asked about OS X 
"it's crap, everything they could have done wrong, they did..." 
hahahha....and i think he's right, we can't even keep it runnin in the 
lab-even the die hard mac people come in and don't use the OS X 
machines...plus i feel really really hindered w/ Mac, and it's the only thing 
i hate about linux-i absolutely HATE how you can see your desktop while your 
trying to work on something, and if you don't click right on the window the 
program goes away and you have to toggle back to that program....UGH, i hate 
that more than anything....oh well...
 
ash


> *sigh* i can't wait til Linux gets alot of sound
> programs....


>I've had this discussion before, but Linux, or any other Unix-ish operating
>system, is a lousy desktop OS. These free Unices have been around for at
>least five years now and nothing has come out that isn't available on either
>Mac or Windows, and better and more sophisticated at that.

>Server stuff yes, but the serious server programs are cross-platform anyway,
>and often even build on the Win32 platform.

>There's nothing that actually requires Linux specifically, and doesn't exist
>in a more sophisticated incarnation elsewhere. Give me FreeBSD or Solaris
>anytime.

>If you want a Unix with a good desktop and software support, get Mac OS X
>(in a few months).

> you can set up multiple desktops which is SWEEEEEET for live
> stuff.....

>That's the first thing I switch off on my Unix desktops. :)

>- Peter



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From: <angelphkt@...>

> yeah.....im not speaking because i wanna be "ultra hip" and use a unix
based
> OS for mental masturbation...i just have a good feeling that i'm going to
be
> moving away from the windows envirnment pretty soon simply because i dont
> like this business of a hardwired OS that tells on me if i dont pay for
> winzip...im not down with all that-and i think alot of other people feel
the
> same way....im sure something with sound will pop up soon with Linux....i
> know there are some trackers out there for it already, but i'm not too
into
> the tracker scene even tho trackers are definitely dope....oh well...

The trouble I personally have with Windows is that it's unstable and/or too
big for what I want. Furthermore, marketing is becoming a considerable part
of the design of Microsoft's operating systems, and that is a mortal sin in
my view.

Something might pop up with Linux, but the Linux hype is the same as the
Java hype we had a few years ago. Java was going to be *the* thing on your
desktop. Has that happened? No way. Lotsado about nothing and Sun's
marketing department trying to create an image that was just plain wrong.

But Java is finally breaking through, on very different merits, on the
server side of things. I couldn't be bothered about Java until a couple of
months ago, but now I definitely will invest time into it.

As for Linux, it basically has a following of techies who don't like
Microsoft, plus the likes of Oracle are providing support - as they are
providing support for the commercial Unix versions. All this 'breaking
through to the desktop and kicking Windows out' is not happening, and it
will not happen. If something will pop up, it'll be a labour of love from a
hacker, and not something from the established firms like Steinberg and
Emagic. The target audiences of Linux and music software companies are
rather disjunct.

> haha, OS X sucks my nuts...we have it in our studio-it's the pits...i
found
> it rather hilarious when the founder of linux replied when asked about OS
X
> "it's crap, everything they could have done wrong, they did..."
> hahahha....and i think he's right, we can't even keep it runnin in the
> lab-even the die hard mac people come in and don't use the OS X
> machines...plus i feel really really hindered w/ Mac, and it's the only
thing
> i hate about linux-i absolutely HATE how you can see your desktop while
your
> trying to work on something, and if you don't click right on the window
the
> program goes away and you have to toggle back to that program....UGH, i
hate
> that more than anything....oh well...

Like I said, get OS X in a few months. I would expect it to have a few
wrinkles in the beginning, like any OS has. Remember the Linux security
issues when it was still "only" a few years old?

As for Linus (the guy who 'invented' Linux), he was misquoted and never said
that "Mac OS X" sucks. What he did say, is that he doesn't like the Mach
micro-kernel on which Mac OS X is built, and he doesn't like micro-kernels
in general because he thinks the concept doesn't work.

I think he's totally wrong there, but hey, that's just me. But Linus says he
finds Mac OS X very interesting. Personally, I think he's jealous that
Linux, after all these years, basically has a nerd following, no software
support worth mentioning, and hasn't fulfilled the promises people thought
it would have.

Therefore, it's Mac OS X for me. By the time I can afford a Mac, they'll
have fixed the OS. :)

- Peter

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Peter Korsten" <peterk@i...> wrote:
> The trouble I personally have with Windows is that it's unstable 

Games work fine on Windows...B-)

But seriously, as you already know, we had this dicussion already on 
the EX5-Tech-community. And i still believe a hardware-MIDI-sequencer 
like RM1x, MC80 or the new RS7000, plus a HD-recorder like Tascam 788 
are a better way to record my AN1x than any Windows or way overpriced 
Mac -computer. The only purpose of PC´s in musicproduction is for me 
that i can use the fabulous AN1xedit and edit wavefiles very easily. 
But again, everyone has to choose his best way of working through 
things. Personally, i am totally turned off by computers as a 
platform for music.

My two eurocents,

Tom

Actually Windows 98 and it's ilk are going bye-bye.  The newer Windows are
going to be based on the Windows NT kernel.  I use NT at work all day
everyday and have only see the-dreaded-blue-screen-of-death once (shocked
the Hell out of me).  Right after security comes stability in the NT
environment.

MM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Peter Korsten [mailto:peterk@...]
  Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:09 AM
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Digest Number 424


  From: <angelphkt@...>

  > yeah.....im not speaking because i wanna be "ultra hip" and use a unix
  based
  > OS for mental masturbation...i just have a good feeling that i'm going
to
  be
  > moving away from the windows envirnment pretty soon simply because i
dont
  > like this business of a hardwired OS that tells on me if i dont pay for
  > winzip...im not down with all that-and i think alot of other people feel
  the
  > same way....im sure something with sound will pop up soon with
Linux....i
  > know there are some trackers out there for it already, but i'm not too
  into
  > the tracker scene even tho trackers are definitely dope....oh well...

  The trouble I personally have with Windows is that it's unstable and/or
too
  big for what I want. Furthermore, marketing is becoming a considerable
part
  of the design of Microsoft's operating systems, and that is a mortal sin
in
  my view.

  Something might pop up with Linux, but the Linux hype is the same as the
  Java hype we had a few years ago. Java was going to be *the* thing on your
  desktop. Has that happened? No way. Lotsado about nothing and Sun's
  marketing department trying to create an image that was just plain wrong.

  But Java is finally breaking through, on very different merits, on the
  server side of things. I couldn't be bothered about Java until a couple of
  months ago, but now I definitely will invest time into it.

  As for Linux, it basically has a following of techies who don't like
  Microsoft, plus the likes of Oracle are providing support - as they are
  providing support for the commercial Unix versions. All this 'breaking
  through to the desktop and kicking Windows out' is not happening, and it
  will not happen. If something will pop up, it'll be a labour of love from
a
  hacker, and not something from the established firms like Steinberg and
  Emagic. The target audiences of Linux and music software companies are
  rather disjunct.

  > haha, OS X sucks my nuts...we have it in our studio-it's the pits...i
  found
  > it rather hilarious when the founder of linux replied when asked about
OS
  X
  > "it's crap, everything they could have done wrong, they did..."
  > hahahha....and i think he's right, we can't even keep it runnin in the
  > lab-even the die hard mac people come in and don't use the OS X
  > machines...plus i feel really really hindered w/ Mac, and it's the only
  thing
  > i hate about linux-i absolutely HATE how you can see your desktop while
  your
  > trying to work on something, and if you don't click right on the window
  the
  > program goes away and you have to toggle back to that program....UGH, i
  hate
  > that more than anything....oh well...

  Like I said, get OS X in a few months. I would expect it to have a few
  wrinkles in the beginning, like any OS has. Remember the Linux security
  issues when it was still "only" a few years old?

  As for Linus (the guy who 'invented' Linux), he was misquoted and never
said
  that "Mac OS X" sucks. What he did say, is that he doesn't like the Mach
  micro-kernel on which Mac OS X is built, and he doesn't like micro-kernels
  in general because he thinks the concept doesn't work.

  I think he's totally wrong there, but hey, that's just me. But Linus says
he
  finds Mac OS X very interesting. Personally, I think he's jealous that
  Linux, after all these years, basically has a nerd following, no software
  support worth mentioning, and hasn't fulfilled the promises people thought
  it would have.

  Therefore, it's Mac OS X for me. By the time I can afford a Mac, they'll
  have fixed the OS. :)

  - Peter


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From: "Michael Miner" <mminer@...>

> Actually Windows 98 and it's ilk are going bye-bye.  The newer Windows are
> going to be based on the Windows NT kernel.  I use NT at work all day
> everyday and have only see the-dreaded-blue-screen-of-death once (shocked
> the Hell out of me).  Right after security comes stability in the NT
> environment.

Depends. I clicked a certain option in Outlook and bang! - BSOD. I tried it
again, and again I got the BSOD. And that's with a user application.

The trouble with NT is that you never know what's happening. It's a very
unclear OS, delivered without the tools you need to actually administer a
server.

But for the rest, no complaints. I have my machine on all of the time (it's
running SETI@home). Still, I want to reboot it sometimes, because I get the
feeling that not all resources are freed.

- Peter

From: "Thomas" <tomfinegan@...>

> Games work fine on Windows...B-)

Yes, with DirectX 8 which mucks up your audio application. :)

> But seriously, as you already know, we had this dicussion already on
> the EX5-Tech-community. And i still believe a hardware-MIDI-sequencer
> like RM1x, MC80 or the new RS7000, plus a HD-recorder like Tascam 788
> are a better way to record my AN1x than any Windows or way overpriced
> Mac -computer. The only purpose of PC\ufffds in musicproduction is for me
> that i can use the fabulous AN1xedit and edit wavefiles very easily.
> But again, everyone has to choose his best way of working through
> things. Personally, i am totally turned off by computers as a
> platform for music.

I've decided two things:

1) I'll never use a computer as an instrument
2) I'll use a computer for recording, mixing, mastering, and media creation

Concerning point 1, I don't think that a computer can do the same for me as
my AN1x (or EX5) can do. Although the technology is there (and has been for
almost 20 years), I feel that separating the keyboard and the sound engine
is not a good idea. I particularly notice the difference with the EX5, and
the EX5r (rack mount module) I had before.

As for point 2, I want to create a pure digital environment where I can do
the effects as a (VST) plug-in. Everything I describe can be done with
hardware, but if I compare the price of a hardware sequencer, several
effects units, hard disc recorder, hardware mastering unit and dedicated
CD-burner (or DVD-burner, when they come available) with the price of a Mac
with a TC PowerCore and Nuendo (just to name a combination that's been
floating in my mind), I think the Max is a pretty good deal. I already have
a digital mixer (01V), which can serve as an input for the analogue units,
plus a remote control for Nuendo.

The added advantage is then that you have a integrated environment. It's
another way of looking at things. I've been thinking for long about a
hardware sequencer, and maybe I'll even get one, but a modern audio program
like Nuendo can make a hardware sequencer largely superfluous.

- Peter

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Peter Korsten" <peterk@i...> wrote:
> From: "Thomas" <tomfinegan@y...>
> 
> > Games work fine on Windows...B-)
> 
> Yes, with DirectX 8 which mucks up your audio application. :)
That´s why i am using a Multibootsystem...;)

> The added advantage is then that you have a integrated environment. 
It's
> another way of looking at things. I've been thinking for long about 
a
> hardware sequencer, and maybe I'll even get one, but a modern audio 
program
> like Nuendo can make a hardware sequencer largely superfluous.
No doubt it can, but only if you really need that zillions of 
functions and features Nuendo and other software offers you.
It depends on your pleas (hm english...right word?). I don´t need all 
that, and for sure there is a software solution for my needs, but i 
also had to buy a brandnew computer with new audiocard and software 
and new Monitor and so forth, all in all i would end up with more 
money which i am going to spend now on a hardware sequencer and a HD-
recorder. As i said, everyone has to find the best solution for 
himself. Some prefer the expandibility and functionality of 
Cubase/Logic etc. some are satisfied with a Akai MPC as their main 
sequencer. Everybody should choose what they need, like and want most.
A computer is hindering the flow of my creativity, it might support 
yours.