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Yeah , Pulse seems to be great for some leads and bass.
How much is new Pulse nowadays ? Btw - in fact it will be getting harder to
find new one as they stopped producing them until (at least) summer because of
shortage of something ... So only old stocks can be found new now ..
Ray.

Marlon J\ufffdrs wrote:

> The Sound of the Pulse is very different to the AN1X. It's real analog and
> it's very fat. If there's anyone of you producig arpeggio-trance-stuff: try
> putting a fat raw saw-sound of the Pulse over a big An1X-Arpeggio-Sound
> (much chorus, timing-delay and a bit reverb). It's great! The Pulse
> "fattens" the sound up!
>
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The Sound of the Pulse is very different to the AN1X. It's real analog and
it's very fat. If there's anyone of you producig arpeggio-trance-stuff: try
putting a fat raw saw-sound of the Pulse over a big An1X-Arpeggio-Sound
(much chorus, timing-delay and a bit reverb). It's great! The Pulse
"fattens" the sound up!

Marlon Jürs wrote:

> The Sound of the Pulse is very different to the AN1X. It's real analog
> and
> it's very fat. If there's anyone of you producig
> arpeggio-trance-stuff: try
> putting a fat raw saw-sound of the Pulse over a big
> An1X-Arpeggio-Sound
> (much chorus, timing-delay and a bit reverb). It's great! The Pulse
> "fattens" the sound up!

I know the good old trick of combining synths, but the pulse it is not
the only one out there  with a fat sound an in my opinion not the best
there is, so before you get overexcited by this synth, try some of the
old analoge synths from the 70's like for example the Roland SH-5, SH-2
(Not the in my opinion crappie SH-101 from the 80's) the Korg 700s the
Oberheim 4 voice the EMS Synthi A or the VCS3 (You can even by a new EMS
at http://www.ems-synthi.demon.co.uk/ :-). You get the at least the same
fatness but you definitely gets a lot more dynamic and personality than
the pulse. The only problem with these old synths beside they are old
rare and sometimes very expensive is the lack of midi. But hey there are
midi to CV gate intefaces out there.

Regards

Joergen Traun.




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Marlon,
I'm using now on a mixdown a Bass line that is made out of 3 synths
running at the same time:
Waldorf Pulse plus, MaM MB-33 and the Yamaha CS-01 mk II with the Kenton
mod.
The sound of these 3 different Analogs synths together coplete each
other sounds.
the 'top' Acid bass sound is coming from the Yamaha Cs-01 and the 
MaM MB-33 pan hard to the L-R
and the Pulse Plus 'complete' the freq spectrum in the middle L-R by
injecting a 'heavy' low bass.
I ususally don't use the AN1X for Bass but I love it for the Pads/sweeps
and strange leads/atmospheric sounds.

Leo


Marlon J=?iso-8859-1?Q?=FC?=rs wrote:

> 
> The Sound of the Pulse is very different to the AN1X. It's real analog and
> it's very fat. If there's anyone of you producig arpeggio-trance-stuff: try
> putting a fat raw saw-sound of the Pulse over a big An1X-Arpeggio-Sound
> (much chorus, timing-delay and a bit reverb). It's great! The Pulse
> "fattens" the sound up!
> 
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Hi Joergen
I have to disagree with you here,
To me the Pulse is as phat as they come.
I owned almost every synth on this planet in my 25 years 
as a pro musician/engineer and The Pulse is so phat on the bass
where nothing can really compete with its natural phat VCO's.
the only synth that is phater is the Minimoog.
I always EQ/filter out the low end, it is massive on the Pulse plus.
I love the older roland etc but they are thin compared to the pulse.

please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Leo
 

traun@com wrote:

> 
> Marlon J\ufffdrs wrote:
> 
> > The Sound of the Pulse is very different to the AN1X. It's real analog
> > and
> > it's very fat. If there's anyone of you producig
> > arpeggio-trance-stuff: try
> > putting a fat raw saw-sound of the Pulse over a big
> > An1X-Arpeggio-Sound
> > (much chorus, timing-delay and a bit reverb). It's great! The Pulse
> > "fattens" the sound up!
> 
> I know the good old trick of combining synths, but the pulse it is not
> the only one out there  with a fat sound an in my opinion not the best
> there is, so before you get overexcited by this synth, try some of the
> old analoge synths from the 70's like for example the Roland SH-5, SH-2
> (Not the in my opinion crappie SH-101 from the 80's) the Korg 700s the
> Oberheim 4 voice the EMS Synthi A or the VCS3 (You can even by a new EMS
> at http://www.ems-synthi.demon.co.uk/ :-). You get the at least the same
> fatness but you definitely gets a lot more dynamic and personality than
> the pulse. The only problem with these old synths beside they are old
> rare and sometimes very expensive is the lack of midi. But hey there are
> midi to CV gate intefaces out there.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Joergen Traun.
> 
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leo wrote:

> Hi Joergen
> I have to disagree with you here,
> To me the Pulse is as phat as they come.
> I owned almost every synth on this planet in my 25 years
> as a pro musician/engineer and The Pulse is so phat on the bass
> where nothing can really compete with its natural phat VCO's.
> the only synth that is phater is the Minimoog.
> I always EQ/filter out the low end, it is massive on the Pulse plus.
> I love the older roland etc but they are thin compared to the pulse.
>
> please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Hi Leo

I think you are, but maybe you are talking about Ronald's Juno, or the
JX series, I mentioned the SH-5 and the SH-2 have you ever tried them?
The Roland SH-2 with 3 VCO´s is capable of making sounds very close to
the the Modular Moog (an that is as fat as a Minimoog but with more
dynamic).

If you want, I can make you some wav recordings of bass sounds on a SH2.

Joergen.

P.S. I tend to forget that this is the AN1x mailing list. Compared with
everything the AN1x is still one of the coolest synth ever made :-)


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Heu Joergen,
I do own some old roland synths
including all the Jupiters and some Sh series.
to me any jupiter 8 will kill any SH series when it comes to phatness.
only the unison mode will take care of it.
I even got to play for a while with the SH5 and SH7
Now, let's assume that the old Roland synths like the SH5 or 7 or 3 or 2
are realy phat, ( and they are in their own way)
The Pulse plus is only a 2 rack space and have full midi...
what about the modulation abilities and the Dynamics ?
not to mention the stereo outs.
all these factors do count when you compare the 'phatness'
in any 2 synths.
again,
in my humble view this makes it a better choice,
don't you agree ?

Leo


traun@com wrote:

> 
> leo wrote:
> 
> > Hi Joergen
> > I have to disagree with you here,
> > To me the Pulse is as phat as they come.
> > I owned almost every synth on this planet in my 25 years
> > as a pro musician/engineer and The Pulse is so phat on the bass
> > where nothing can really compete with its natural phat VCO's.
> > the only synth that is phater is the Minimoog.
> > I always EQ/filter out the low end, it is massive on the Pulse plus.
> > I love the older roland etc but they are thin compared to the pulse.
> >
> > please correct me if I'm wrong here.
> 
> Hi Leo
> 
> I think you are, but maybe you are talking about Ronald's Juno, or the
> JX series, I mentioned the SH-5 and the SH-2 have you ever tried them?
> The Roland SH-2 with 3 VCO\ufffds is capable of making sounds very close to
> the the Modular Moog (an that is as fat as a Minimoog but with more
> dynamic).
> 
> If you want, I can make you some wav recordings of bass sounds on a SH2.
> 
> Joergen.
> 
> P.S. I tend to forget that this is the AN1x mailing list. Compared with
> everything the AN1x is still one of the coolest synth ever made :-)
> 
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leo wrote:

> Heu Joergen,
> I do own some old roland synths
> including all the Jupiters and some Sh series.
> to me any jupiter 8 will kill any SH series when it comes to phatness.

I owned a JP-8 to, an also think it's pretty fat, but I presume you
haven't heard the SH-2? the most fat SH ever made. I had both the JP-8
an the SH-2 once both with a kenton midi interface, an I always end up
using the SH-2 more than the JP-8 because  the VCO´s on the SH-2 is
fatter than the ones on the JP-8 there's tree of them the filter can
self oscillate and it sounds a lot  better than the filter on the JP-8
especially in the Bass.
Now I have sold the JP-8, But i still have my SH-2.

> only the unison mode will take care of it.

If you need unison to make a synth fat you synth isn't fat remember
there are no Unison on a minimoog.
By the way I think the Unison on the JP-8 stinks there's no detune
parameter.

> I even got to play for a while with the SH5 and SH7

Me to, but the SH7 is not fat. you properly noticed that each member of
the SH series sounded different.

> Now, let's assume that the old Roland synths like the SH5 or 7 or 3 or
> 2
> are realy phat, ( and they are in their own way)
> The Pulse plus is only a 2 rack space and have full midi...
> what about the modulation abilities and the Dynamics ?
> not to mention the stereo outs.
> all these factors do count when you compare the 'phatness'
> in any 2 synths.
> again,
> in my humble view this makes it a better choice,
> don't you agree ?

Okay okay I agree that it's smarter to have a rack unit with full midi,
but I disagree that a stereo output is necessary to make a fat sound.
What really matters is the sound of the VCO´s and the sound of the
Filters, and this is were the Pulse lacks compared with the old ones in
my opinion, anyway synthesizer choices is always a matter of taste, an
if you are satisfy with it cool :-).

Joergen



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On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:28:02 +0100, traun@... wrote:

>If you want, I can make you some wav recordings of bass sounds on a SH2.

My SH-2 sounded thin and nasally, nowhere near as good as, say, my
Roland System 101 keyboard (1 osc!). 

Then again, we all have different ears and different tastes and
different programming styles....and my Pulse sounds superb even with
just 1 Osc as a bass machine. 

Oops, here I go, new to the list and already I'm filling it with
shite. Sorry all, I'll go back to lurking again,

Paul

Paul Nagle wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:28:02 +0100, traun@... wrote:
>
> >If you want, I can make you some wav recordings of bass sounds on a
> SH2.
>
> My SH-2 sounded thin and nasally, nowhere near as good as, say, my
> Roland System 101 keyboard (1 osc!).
>
> Then again, we all have different ears and different tastes and
> different programming styles....and my Pulse sounds superb even with
> just 1 Osc as a bass machine.
>
> Oops, here I go, new to the list and already I'm filling it with
> shite. Sorry all, I'll go back to lurking again,
>
> Paul

No problemmo :-) You said you SH-2 sounded thin and nasal, maybe you are
using to much resonance. The resonance is wild on the SH-2 compared with
system 101 (I assume it's the RS-101 stringer you are talking about) so
use it with caution. Another possibility is that Roland have made
different versions of the SH-2.


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On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:01:19 +0100, traun@... wrote:

>No problemmo :-) You said you SH-2 sounded thin and nasal, maybe you are
>using to much resonance. The resonance is wild on the SH-2 compared with
>system 101 (I assume it's the RS-101 stringer you are talking about) so
>use it with caution. Another possibility is that Roland have made
>different versions of the SH-2.

The 101 is the base keyboard for the System 100 semi-modular: my fave
Roland SH synth with the exception of the SH-5.

Paul

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Hi Joergen

> Now I have sold the JP-8, But i still have my SH-2.

too bad, 
I think you are going to miss your JP-8.
I own 2 and I can't find it in my heart to sell even one of them.



> If you need unison to make a synth fat you synth isn't fat remember
> there are no Unison on a minimoog.
> By the way I think the Unison on the JP-8 stinks there's no detune
> parameter.

I think that the unison parameter on the JP-8 is 
part of the natural magic sound creation.
remember, this is not a seperate effect,
it is a pure analog parameter and the JP-8 has the best unison
out of all the jupiters or any other synth.
to me it sounds so good and wild that Roland knew you don't need
to set the 'amount, like on the JP-6 or super-Jup.

it takes a regular Mono Jp-8 sound and makes it stereo with
spliting the lfo time and many other extras.
the wierd lush chorus effect is a pure analog VCO's and nothing more.
maby your old JP-8 was somehow with a problem ?
I also heard that all the Midi kits interacting with the main CPU and
'slowing' down the JP-8.
I installed a very basic design (Kurt keyboards)
and it has nothing to do with the CPU board.
it is basicly the 'keys' midi interface.


> Okay okay I agree that it's smarter to have a rack unit with full midi,
> but I disagree that a stereo output is necessary to make a fat sound.


well,
2 is always better than one.
think of the recording process,
you can pan them and use different effects etc.
or even use the lfo to do a ping-pong effect.

in my book,
the Mini is the phattest mono and the Jup-8 is the phattest poly.
both are great and the pulse is kind of newer minimoog.
it doesn't have the mini VCO's or filter ( thank god it is different)
but it offers many other extras such as Midi,2 lfo's 3 VCO plus Noise
and ext input, srereo out and all the dynamics and modulations.

I wish the pulse plus came in a poly version as to me nothing else from
Waldorf sounds as cool as the pulse.
I also love the patch random feature.

Leo